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Zoning Board Of Appeals Wednesday, June 10, 2026 · 139 min

Bloomfield Township Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting on June 9, 2026

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The Bloomfield Township Zoning Board of Appeals meeting discussed and approved various variance requests for property modifications, including pool installations, fence installations, and accessory structure constructions, while addressing concerns about zoning regulations and property rights.

  • Approved a dimensional variance for a pool installation at 6700 Mark Court.
  • Approved a dimensional variance for a fence installation at 2228 Somerset Road.
  • Approved a variance for a platform deck installation at 1065 Green Tree Road.
  • Approved a variance for a retaining wall installation at 1921 Lone Pine Road.
  • Approved a variance for a second-story addition to a single-story ranch-style home at 203 South Glengarry Road.

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  1. It's 6.30. We're going to get started. Please join me and pledge allegiance to the flag. Those of you who are able, please rise. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you for joining this evening. May you take attendance? So noted. Okay. May I also have a motion to approve the minutes? So moved. Support? Okay. I have a motion. Support. All those in favor? Aye. All right. Great. Okay. Welcome to the Bloomfield Township Zoning Board of Appeals meeting of June 9, 2026. As a brief introduction, the Zoning Board of Appeals is a seven-member quasi-judicial body appointed by the Bloomfield Township Board of Trustees per the Michigan Zoning Enabling Act. Matters pending before the Zoning Board of Appeals are decided on a case-by-case basis. Any appeal of a decision made by the Zoning Board of Appeals is subject to circuit court review. Each case will be called separately. separately in the order shown on tonight's agenda. There will be an opportunity for public comment at one point during each case. All persons wishing to comment will be asked to provide their name and address at the podium. Address your comments to the board and not the applicant or other members of the public. Given the number of appeals tonight, please make your comments brief. Comments made by the Neighborhood Association will be considered as part of the factual information presented to the board but is not the determining factor for approval or denial. Please confine comments to the specific request before the board. For a request to be successful, an affirmative vote of at least four members present is required. We hope this provides a better understanding of what you can expect at tonight's meeting. Okay, for our first case, 1P, 6700 Mark Court. Is the applicant here? All right, thank you. Hello, everyone. Hello. This is Jacob Lubick with Ventures Design and Build. The address is 25168

  2. appointed by the Bloomfield Township Board of Trustees per the Michigan Zoning Enabling Act. Matters pending before the Zoning Board of Appeals are decided on a case-by-case basis. Any appeal of a decision made by the Zoning Board of Appeals is subject to circuit court review. Each case will be called separately. separately in the order shown on tonight's agenda. There will be an opportunity for public comment at one point during each case. All persons wishing to comment will be asked to provide their name and address at the podium. Address your comments to the board and not the applicant or other members of the public. Given the number of appeals tonight, please make your comments brief. Comments made by the Neighborhood Association will be considered as part of the factual information presented to the board but is not the determining factor for approval or denial. Please confine comments to the specific request before the board. For a request to be successful, an affirmative vote of at least four members present is required. We hope this provides a better understanding of what you can expect at tonight's meeting. Okay, for our first case, 1P, 6700 Mark Court. Is the applicant here? All right, thank you. Hello, everyone. Hello. This is Jacob Lubick with Ventures Design and Build. The address is 25168 Sealy Road in Novi, Michigan. Okay, please state just a brief summary of your application. Yeah, so we're looking to install a pool of this property. The primary practical difficulty with this property is it's a unique lot configuration. By definition, this parcel doesn't have a rear yard. So although the proposed pool area functions as a homeowner's backyard and primary outdoor... living space is technically classified as a front yard because the property abuts the street as a result improvements that would typically be permitted behind a home on a conventional lot require variance relief on this property the proposed pool location was selected because it's the most practical location on site the area behind the home provides the only functional space for a pool while still maintaining reasonable setbacks from surrounding properties and compliance with the district's 40-foot front setback requirement the pool is located behind the residence and does not project closer to the street than the home itself the pool equipment is proposed adjacent to the pool rather than adjacent to the house do the significant rate grade drop between the rear of the home and the proposed pool location locating the equipment near the pool minimizes unnecessary disturbance to the site and provides the most practical and efficient installation while still maintaining

  3. Hello, everyone. Hello. This is Jacob Lubick with Ventures Design and Build. The address is 25168 Sealy Road in Novi, Michigan. Okay, please state just a brief summary of your application. Yeah, so we're looking to install a pool of this property. The primary practical difficulty with this property is it's a unique lot configuration. By definition, this parcel doesn't have a rear yard. So although the proposed pool area functions as a homeowner's backyard and primary outdoor... living space is technically classified as a front yard because the property abuts the street as a result improvements that would typically be permitted behind a home on a conventional lot require variance relief on this property the proposed pool location was selected because it's the most practical location on site the area behind the home provides the only functional space for a pool while still maintaining reasonable setbacks from surrounding properties and compliance with the district's 40-foot front setback requirement the pool is located behind the residence and does not project closer to the street than the home itself the pool equipment is proposed adjacent to the pool rather than adjacent to the house do the significant rate grade drop between the rear of the home and the proposed pool location locating the equipment near the pool minimizes unnecessary disturbance to the site and provides the most practical and efficient installation while still maintaining appropriate setbacks to further reduce any visual impact the pool area fencing and equipment located will be screened with evergreen landscaping the attendants to ensure that these improvements remain well integrated into the property and minimally visible from the adjacent roadway the homeowners have also been proactive in communicating with neighboring properties and have letters of support for the application the proposed improvements are residential nature consistent with the character of the neighborhood and not expected to create adverse impacts on the adjacent properties in many ways this application is exactly the type of situation for which dimensional variances exist the request is driven by the unique physical characteristics of the property rather than the person's preference and the homeowners are seeking the minimal relief necessary necessary to make reasonable use of their property while still maintaining the intent of the ordinance. Thank you. Any questions from the board? Okay. Well, I'll open the public hearing if anyone would like to speak to this matter. Then I'll close the public. Oh, would you like to speak? Yes. Please come up to the podium and state your name and address. My name is William Rogers.

  4. provides the most practical and efficient installation while still maintaining appropriate setbacks to further reduce any visual impact the pool area fencing and equipment located will be screened with evergreen landscaping the attendants to ensure that these improvements remain well integrated into the property and minimally visible from the adjacent roadway the homeowners have also been proactive in communicating with neighboring properties and have letters of support for the application the proposed improvements are residential nature consistent with the character of the neighborhood and not expected to create adverse impacts on the adjacent properties in many ways this application is exactly the type of situation for which dimensional variances exist the request is driven by the unique physical characteristics of the property rather than the person's preference and the homeowners are seeking the minimal relief necessary necessary to make reasonable use of their property while still maintaining the intent of the ordinance. Thank you. Any questions from the board? Okay. Well, I'll open the public hearing if anyone would like to speak to this matter. Then I'll close the public. Oh, would you like to speak? Yes. Please come up to the podium and state your name and address. My name is William Rogers. I own the property along with my wife at 6658 Meadowlake Drive. My property abuts the property at 6700 Mark Drive. So, let me see here. Okay. First of all, we don't have any problem with it being considered a rear yard. We don't have any problem with moving the pool equipment closer to the pool rather than being immediately adjacent. What we do have a problem with is the setback against the side lot line. This setback was 11 feet 3 inches. I noticed the pool equipment is slightly different. I don't know if the setback changed since the time I got to view this or not. Let's see. Let's see. Thank you. So if somebody could enlighten me about what the setback from that side lot line is currently, I'd appreciate it. Is that your only comment? It's a side lot line, but the problem is I think it can be easily solved.

  5. I own the property along with my wife at 6658 Meadowlake Drive. My property abuts the property at 6700 Mark Drive. So, let me see here. Okay. First of all, we don't have any problem with it being considered a rear yard. We don't have any problem with moving the pool equipment closer to the pool rather than being immediately adjacent. What we do have a problem with is the setback against the side lot line. This setback was 11 feet 3 inches. I noticed the pool equipment is slightly different. I don't know if the setback changed since the time I got to view this or not. Let's see. Let's see. Thank you. So if somebody could enlighten me about what the setback from that side lot line is currently, I'd appreciate it. Is that your only comment? It's a side lot line, but the problem is I think it can be easily solved. You can see that angle change in the fence line at the top of the drawing. If you back that up towards the house somewhat, you can maintain the 16-foot side lot setback that's required. This might impinge on the equipment location where it is, but that equipment, it's relatively flat in that area, and that equipment could also slide back towards the house sufficient to keep it far enough away from the pool. So we don't feel that there's been justification for violating the side lot line setback. It looks to me that the setback is 18. 18-foot-1. Is it now 18-1? The one I had had it at 11-3. Yes, that's greater than 16. Since it's greater than 16, we'd have no further objections. We'll clarify that too with the applicant. Yeah, clarify that. I think it is. Yeah, so on the plan that you're looking at now, it's 18. I just want to make sure. Are there any other comments from the public? Okay, so I'll close the public hearing. Thank you. Yeah, the setback that's on there to the pool equipment is 18 feet.

  6. It's a side lot line, but the problem is I think it can be easily solved. You can see that angle change in the fence line at the top of the drawing. If you back that up towards the house somewhat, you can maintain the 16-foot side lot setback that's required. This might impinge on the equipment location where it is, but that equipment, it's relatively flat in that area, and that equipment could also slide back towards the house sufficient to keep it far enough away from the pool. So we don't feel that there's been justification for violating the side lot line setback. It looks to me that the setback is 18. 18-foot-1. Is it now 18-1? The one I had had it at 11-3. Yes, that's greater than 16. Since it's greater than 16, we'd have no further objections. We'll clarify that too with the applicant. Yeah, clarify that. I think it is. Yeah, so on the plan that you're looking at now, it's 18. I just want to make sure. Are there any other comments from the public? Okay, so I'll close the public hearing. Thank you. Yeah, the setback that's on there to the pool equipment is 18 feet. one inch and for the fence to the lot line we have 12 feet 10 inches when we originally put this plan together um we weren't considering the fact that you guys have the ordinance for dog fences it was all just supposed to be pool enclosure when we put it together i think we still have pretty adequate space between the property lines for you know just the required pool fence that needs to be there there's um the two adjacent neighbors on the opposite side both gave letters to support there is some heavy vegetation over on that side i don't think there's going to be too much you know issue between the property lines but that's where we're at any questions from the board no just a quick clarification on that you did say you would be putting evergreen skin screening around all of the fencing so there'd be evergreen screening there the way we have it proposed is for the um we have it around the pool and the pool equipment but if we need to add more evergreen screening for the fence that's something we'd be willing to do because i know there are a few spots that are within that 16 foot most of it most of the fence is beyond that 16 foot there's just a couple little areas that dip into that so if you would like us to add those evergreen screenings in the closer areas or even around the perimeter we'll do what needs to be done for um ordinance

  7. one inch and for the fence to the lot line we have 12 feet 10 inches when we originally put this plan together um we weren't considering the fact that you guys have the ordinance for dog fences it was all just supposed to be pool enclosure when we put it together i think we still have pretty adequate space between the property lines for you know just the required pool fence that needs to be there there's um the two adjacent neighbors on the opposite side both gave letters to support there is some heavy vegetation over on that side i don't think there's going to be too much you know issue between the property lines but that's where we're at any questions from the board no just a quick clarification on that you did say you would be putting evergreen skin screening around all of the fencing so there'd be evergreen screening there the way we have it proposed is for the um we have it around the pool and the pool equipment but if we need to add more evergreen screening for the fence that's something we'd be willing to do because i know there are a few spots that are within that 16 foot most of it most of the fence is beyond that 16 foot there's just a couple little areas that dip into that so if you would like us to add those evergreen screenings in the closer areas or even around the perimeter we'll do what needs to be done for um ordinance well close the public hearing so you really can't make a comment did you have a quick question or it was a quick question When I read out the setback, the total setback, I thought that was a setback to the fence, not the setback to the pool of equipment. The setback to the fence only being 12 feet, that's in violation of a sidewalk setback. And there's an easy solution to fix that. You just slide the rectangle chain back a little bit until you get the proper clearings. Jocelyn, can I ask a couple questions? Sure. Andrea, can you get a point of clarification on do fences or dog enclosure or pool fences have a minimum setback? The reason that this particular fence is before the zoning board this evening is because it is located in the secondary front yard, and because they do have a dog, it's considered a dog enclosure. The dog enclosure provision is what necessitates the setback. So if this was a pool equipment fence, what would be the setback requirement?

  8. in the closer areas or even around the perimeter we'll do what needs to be done for um ordinance well close the public hearing so you really can't make a comment did you have a quick question or it was a quick question When I read out the setback, the total setback, I thought that was a setback to the fence, not the setback to the pool of equipment. The setback to the fence only being 12 feet, that's in violation of a sidewalk setback. And there's an easy solution to fix that. You just slide the rectangle chain back a little bit until you get the proper clearings. Jocelyn, can I ask a couple questions? Sure. Andrea, can you get a point of clarification on do fences or dog enclosure or pool fences have a minimum setback? The reason that this particular fence is before the zoning board this evening is because it is located in the secondary front yard, and because they do have a dog, it's considered a dog enclosure. The dog enclosure provision is what necessitates the setback. So if this was a pool equipment fence, what would be the setback requirement? If this was in a regular rear yard, and it was not for a dog, or there was no dog on the property, they would be permitted to do four feet up to the lot line. Okay. So because of the unique circumstance, because it has the secondary frontage, which is one issue, the second issue is it's a fence for two different scenarios, both dog and pool. If there was no dog on site, they could go four feet to the property line without a problem, and without any type of ZBA hearing. Is that correct? Correct. So. So. So. Is there any primacy between a dog fence and a pool fence? I think it's more about the dog running closer to the fence, right? We have a provision within the township that if you have a dog on your property, a fence is supposed to be 16 feet from both your side lot lines and 25 feet from your rear with the idea that some people may not want a dog right up to their property line. So in this instance, because they have a dog, we do have to follow those setback requirements in this instance. That's why they're seeking a variance to that provision. Any other questions from the board? No discussion? Well, I guess the question would be, you know, can you move at the four feet?

  9. So if this was a pool equipment fence, what would be the setback requirement? If this was in a regular rear yard, and it was not for a dog, or there was no dog on the property, they would be permitted to do four feet up to the lot line. Okay. So because of the unique circumstance, because it has the secondary frontage, which is one issue, the second issue is it's a fence for two different scenarios, both dog and pool. If there was no dog on site, they could go four feet to the property line without a problem, and without any type of ZBA hearing. Is that correct? Correct. So. So. So. Is there any primacy between a dog fence and a pool fence? I think it's more about the dog running closer to the fence, right? We have a provision within the township that if you have a dog on your property, a fence is supposed to be 16 feet from both your side lot lines and 25 feet from your rear with the idea that some people may not want a dog right up to their property line. So in this instance, because they have a dog, we do have to follow those setback requirements in this instance. That's why they're seeking a variance to that provision. Any other questions from the board? No discussion? Well, I guess the question would be, you know, can you move at the four feet? Yeah, but you're 16. If need be, we can do that. We can push it in the four feet that's required. Like I said before, as this was designed, it wasn't designed to be a dog fence. We weren't trying to put a fence together that we knew a dog would be. It was, it's mainly just for the pool enclosure. I mean, it's a sizable enclosure and I don't see, other than it not being a rear yard, that the four feet would make a difference on the size that you're enclosing here if you can do that along that angle. Yeah, if there's a way that, like, there could be a ruling that says, you know, we could build this fence as a pool enclosure as long as it maintains the 16-foot side yard setbacks, we'd be warning you. We'd be warning you. happy to adjust and sign to do that today all right well i'm ready to make a motion great um in the i need to find my address for the zoning appeal at 6700 mark court i will do the permission request first um i move that the request be removed approved as submitted with the provision that the portion against that neighboring lot line is at its 16 feet based on the information

  10. Well, I guess the question would be, you know, can you move at the four feet? Yeah, but you're 16. If need be, we can do that. We can push it in the four feet that's required. Like I said before, as this was designed, it wasn't designed to be a dog fence. We weren't trying to put a fence together that we knew a dog would be. It was, it's mainly just for the pool enclosure. I mean, it's a sizable enclosure and I don't see, other than it not being a rear yard, that the four feet would make a difference on the size that you're enclosing here if you can do that along that angle. Yeah, if there's a way that, like, there could be a ruling that says, you know, we could build this fence as a pool enclosure as long as it maintains the 16-foot side yard setbacks, we'd be warning you. We'd be warning you. happy to adjust and sign to do that today all right well i'm ready to make a motion great um in the i need to find my address for the zoning appeal at 6700 mark court i will do the permission request first um i move that the request be removed approved as submitted with the provision that the portion against that neighboring lot line is at its 16 feet based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-6.7 standards and the size of the stress accessory structure is compatible the need for a dog fence has been demonstrated the use is appropriate to the neighborhood and the location will not hinder or discourage use of adjacent property additionally it will be screened to the height of the fence as regards to the dimensional variance i move also that be approved as requested as shown on the drawings with the additional four feet for the fence compliance with the strict letting ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the multiple unique conditions in this property it does not have a rear yard everything's been set in what would feel like a rear yard additionally the sloping nature of the lot um is unduly burdened some to putting the pool equipment adjacent to the house should this motion be approved all permits are required and prior to starting construction and must be applied for within one year

  11. that the portion against that neighboring lot line is at its 16 feet based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-6.7 standards and the size of the stress accessory structure is compatible the need for a dog fence has been demonstrated the use is appropriate to the neighborhood and the location will not hinder or discourage use of adjacent property additionally it will be screened to the height of the fence as regards to the dimensional variance i move also that be approved as requested as shown on the drawings with the additional four feet for the fence compliance with the strict letting ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the multiple unique conditions in this property it does not have a rear yard everything's been set in what would feel like a rear yard additionally the sloping nature of the lot um is unduly burdened some to putting the pool equipment adjacent to the house should this motion be approved all permits are required and prior to starting construction and must be applied for within one year okay i have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed okay motion carries congratulations thank you okay next item 2555 covington place brian neeper architect 559 east frank birmingham so here on covington place we have a whole house runner renovation that we're working on with a pretty sizable addition to the rear as a part of our exterior renovations we're proposing a covered front porch the existing position of the home is fairly close to covington place we're just doing like the minimum covered front porch which about five feet which projects nearly two feet into the front yard setback so i'm hoping to gain your support to allow for a front covered porch you

  12. are required and prior to starting construction and must be applied for within one year okay i have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed okay motion carries congratulations thank you okay next item 2555 covington place brian neeper architect 559 east frank birmingham so here on covington place we have a whole house runner renovation that we're working on with a pretty sizable addition to the rear as a part of our exterior renovations we're proposing a covered front porch the existing position of the home is fairly close to covington place we're just doing like the minimum covered front porch which about five feet which projects nearly two feet into the front yard setback so i'm hoping to gain your support to allow for a front covered porch you into the front yard setback by two feet any questions for the board i'm just curious is it five feet industry standard five feet's like a pretty minimal covered front porch i wouldn't like to go need any less than that you can't really put chairs out and be able to walk walk around the chairs okay any other questions it's going to open the public hearing good evening um kathy weisenborn representing bloomfield village association 3595 bradway our board did review this this proposal it's a very nice a beautiful renovation in addition to this home the proposed front porch is proportional and really an integral part of the design of the front of the home and we fully support the dimensional variance thank you thank you would anyone else like to speak to this matter okay then i'll close the hearing and bring it back to the board so with regard to the appeal at 25 55 covington place for the um dimensional variance request

  13. into the front yard setback by two feet any questions for the board i'm just curious is it five feet industry standard five feet's like a pretty minimal covered front porch i wouldn't like to go need any less than that you can't really put chairs out and be able to walk walk around the chairs okay any other questions it's going to open the public hearing good evening um kathy weisenborn representing bloomfield village association 3595 bradway our board did review this this proposal it's a very nice a beautiful renovation in addition to this home the proposed front porch is proportional and really an integral part of the design of the front of the home and we fully support the dimensional variance thank you thank you would anyone else like to speak to this matter okay then i'll close the hearing and bring it back to the board so with regard to the appeal at 25 55 covington place for the um dimensional variance request for the covered front porch encroaching two feet into the 40-foot northerly front yard setback i move that this variance be approved as requested based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to that uh it would prevent reasonable use of the property there is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the fact that it is consistent with other homes in the area and is a great addition unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given that the existing floor plan would be limited if we didn't permit this and as a result this is not self-created if this motion is approved all application for necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation support support okay i have a motion in support uh all those in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you okay 92 29 30 turtle pond court good evening good evening joe wilson with wilson design associates here on behalf of the noshi residents at 29 30 turtle

  14. so with regard to the appeal at 25 55 covington place for the um dimensional variance request for the covered front porch encroaching two feet into the 40-foot northerly front yard setback i move that this variance be approved as requested based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to that uh it would prevent reasonable use of the property there is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the fact that it is consistent with other homes in the area and is a great addition unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given that the existing floor plan would be limited if we didn't permit this and as a result this is not self-created if this motion is approved all application for necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation support support okay i have a motion in support uh all those in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you okay 92 29 30 turtle pond court good evening good evening joe wilson with wilson design associates here on behalf of the noshi residents at 29 30 turtle pond court our proposal for any tonight is simple we ask a dimensional variance request for a screen wall that is 16 feet long by six foot tall the ordinance is four foot and it's going to screen a barbecue island and provide some additional privacy for a patio it currently or it will measure off the property line 16 feet at its nearest point and just to the on the other side of the property line there's some big beautiful norway spree that we want to take advantage of and so it's pretty well screened as it is proposed so with that be happy to answer any questions or comments so you're using screening on the neighbors property not on your property that correct that's correct I know where you're going with it okay so we'd be happy to put some Arborvita you got I'm excited let's wait for that I know sorry that's all right I got your number we're good very consistent yeah I should mention too that the it'll be veneered with a thin stone they have a beautiful split-faced stone on the house and we want to match the architecture for that

  15. joe wilson with wilson design associates here on behalf of the noshi residents at 29 30 turtle pond court our proposal for any tonight is simple we ask a dimensional variance request for a screen wall that is 16 feet long by six foot tall the ordinance is four foot and it's going to screen a barbecue island and provide some additional privacy for a patio it currently or it will measure off the property line 16 feet at its nearest point and just to the on the other side of the property line there's some big beautiful norway spree that we want to take advantage of and so it's pretty well screened as it is proposed so with that be happy to answer any questions or comments so you're using screening on the neighbors property not on your property that correct that's correct I know where you're going with it okay so we'd be happy to put some Arborvita you got I'm excited let's wait for that I know sorry that's all right I got your number we're good very consistent yeah I should mention too that the it'll be veneered with a thin stone they have a beautiful split-faced stone on the house and we want to match the architecture for that so imagine it'll be beautiful it'll be cool yeah yeah no yeah I wouldn't do that any other questions we're gonna open the public hearing anyone like to speak to this matter then I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board for a motion or discussion madam chair like make a motion in regards the appeal at 2930 turtle pond court I move the variance be approved as amended based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance law standards for practical difficulty because compliance strictly the ordinance be unduly burdensome because they're able to put a wall back there they don't have privacy for their backyard as well as the fact that in this area other neighbors have the same thing Again, there's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the reason of we're going to screen it. And again, this is a common practice in this area. Unique circumstances of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that, again, these type of accessory structures in the rear yard are appropriate for this area, as well as the privacy to block out the kitchen feature out here. And again, this is not self-created because of the fact that, again, other neighbors have this. If approved, all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation.

  16. split-faced stone on the house and we want to match the architecture for that so imagine it'll be beautiful it'll be cool yeah yeah no yeah I wouldn't do that any other questions we're gonna open the public hearing anyone like to speak to this matter then I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board for a motion or discussion madam chair like make a motion in regards the appeal at 2930 turtle pond court I move the variance be approved as amended based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance law standards for practical difficulty because compliance strictly the ordinance be unduly burdensome because they're able to put a wall back there they don't have privacy for their backyard as well as the fact that in this area other neighbors have the same thing Again, there's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the reason of we're going to screen it. And again, this is a common practice in this area. Unique circumstances of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that, again, these type of accessory structures in the rear yard are appropriate for this area, as well as the privacy to block out the kitchen feature out here. And again, this is not self-created because of the fact that, again, other neighbors have this. If approved, all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. And then we're going to screen it up to the height of that wall in some way on your property, wherever you do that, but it has to be on your property. Got it. And I know you'll take care of that because you're a professional. Support. Okay, I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Great, thank you. Have a good evening. Number three, 6940 Woodbank Drive. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Alex Blowitzky, 6940 Woodbank Drive. I'm here tonight looking for gaining approval from the board to install a shed on residential property in Birmingham Farm Subdivision. The shed would be located in the backyard against the garage and within 16 feet of property line. Purpose of the shed is to increase storage for garden equipment, sports equipment, toys, and et cetera, currently I live in a slab without basement so extra storage would help out currently I have a plastic shed in the back so I'm trying to upgrade and make it look better to replace that shed so I think this would be an upgrade to my house into the neighborhood as well and also I've in my material I provided

  17. And then we're going to screen it up to the height of that wall in some way on your property, wherever you do that, but it has to be on your property. Got it. And I know you'll take care of that because you're a professional. Support. Okay, I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Great, thank you. Have a good evening. Number three, 6940 Woodbank Drive. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Alex Blowitzky, 6940 Woodbank Drive. I'm here tonight looking for gaining approval from the board to install a shed on residential property in Birmingham Farm Subdivision. The shed would be located in the backyard against the garage and within 16 feet of property line. Purpose of the shed is to increase storage for garden equipment, sports equipment, toys, and et cetera, currently I live in a slab without basement so extra storage would help out currently I have a plastic shed in the back so I'm trying to upgrade and make it look better to replace that shed so I think this would be an upgrade to my house into the neighborhood as well and also I've in my material I provided documentation showing screening solution as well so this would be against both neighbors fences in the red that's it I have one question sure we're gonna go on screening again I really appreciate your screening plan it needs to be further to this out of this is north but you see how if I'm looking at your neighbors it doesn't seem to line up with the back of your house it has to be out of public view so you need to extend your screening wall along the right-hand side will you agree to that all the way to the road not over the road but basically plat past the plane of your garage like the back plane because if I'm looking from the neighbors I can see your shed still okay does that make sense yeah so that seem reasonable like like right there that would be great yeah yeah okay I can update that yeah that's why we're having a discussion something you think it could make you could do and the spruce is okay then the cover at the backside deciduous tree that's there all year round right yes

  18. house into the neighborhood as well and also I've in my material I provided documentation showing screening solution as well so this would be against both neighbors fences in the red that's it I have one question sure we're gonna go on screening again I really appreciate your screening plan it needs to be further to this out of this is north but you see how if I'm looking at your neighbors it doesn't seem to line up with the back of your house it has to be out of public view so you need to extend your screening wall along the right-hand side will you agree to that all the way to the road not over the road but basically plat past the plane of your garage like the back plane because if I'm looking from the neighbors I can see your shed still okay does that make sense yeah so that seem reasonable like like right there that would be great yeah yeah okay I can update that yeah that's why we're having a discussion something you think it could make you could do and the spruce is okay then the cover at the backside deciduous tree that's there all year round right yes There's a picture of it as well in there. That's, no? Peniferous tree, all year round. That's why we're bored here. But it is there all year round, so it doesn't drop its leaves. So it'll provide screening, rare and 65 days a year. Thank you, Scott. No problem. Doing something new, please. Any other questions from the board? All right, well then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Then I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a motion or a discussion. I can make a motion. In regards to the appeal at 6940 Wood Bank Drive, I move the request to be approved and submitted based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because the location of the sex restructure is behind the building, behind the house. You can't see it from the front. It will be screened from the neighbors and if it's placed in the right spot. If approved, the motion must include application for all necessary permits must be made within one year. All permits must be obtained prior to installation. Additional evergreen plantings shall be required to screen the shed for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the shed at time of planting. And we need to extend the planting closer to the road, so it completely blocks it from the

  19. There's a picture of it as well in there. That's, no? Peniferous tree, all year round. That's why we're bored here. But it is there all year round, so it doesn't drop its leaves. So it'll provide screening, rare and 65 days a year. Thank you, Scott. No problem. Doing something new, please. Any other questions from the board? All right, well then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Then I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a motion or a discussion. I can make a motion. In regards to the appeal at 6940 Wood Bank Drive, I move the request to be approved and submitted based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because the location of the sex restructure is behind the building, behind the house. You can't see it from the front. It will be screened from the neighbors and if it's placed in the right spot. If approved, the motion must include application for all necessary permits must be made within one year. All permits must be obtained prior to installation. Additional evergreen plantings shall be required to screen the shed for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the shed at time of planting. And we need to extend the planting closer to the road, so it completely blocks it from the neighbor. Support. I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Have a good evening. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, item number four, 1065 Green Tree Road. Hello, Alex Ketty, Luxury Resort Design Build, 105 Green Tree. We're trying to build a gazebo. Did you intend to screen the gazebo? It is screened. It will be screened. Is that depicted on the drawing here? Yes. The gazebo area will be screened.

  20. And we need to extend the planting closer to the road, so it completely blocks it from the neighbor. Support. I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Have a good evening. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, item number four, 1065 Green Tree Road. Hello, Alex Ketty, Luxury Resort Design Build, 105 Green Tree. We're trying to build a gazebo. Did you intend to screen the gazebo? It is screened. It will be screened. Is that depicted on the drawing here? Yes. The gazebo area will be screened. They have all evergreens that's all around their properties. And they do have a lot of greenery that you can't see in that backyard. So it's screened from public view? Yes. Where does that show that on your drawing? The screen? Yes. The green bell screen all the way around? The whole backyard is all greenery. They have evergreens all around the property in the back. You can't see in their backyard. You can't see in that backyard. The green bell is all the way around the backyard. you can't see the neighbor at all. 365? Yes. Can you show me the picture? They showed the north, south, east, west of the backyard. She did plant a lot of trees last year. A lot of evergreens as well. The whole backyard is green. You can't see anything. All right. Thank you. Welcome. Any other questions from the board? Okay. Well, then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Okay. Please, would you give her room for the podium?

  21. They have all evergreens that's all around their properties. And they do have a lot of greenery that you can't see in that backyard. So it's screened from public view? Yes. Where does that show that on your drawing? The screen? Yes. The green bell screen all the way around? The whole backyard is all greenery. They have evergreens all around the property in the back. You can't see in their backyard. You can't see in that backyard. The green bell is all the way around the backyard. you can't see the neighbor at all. 365? Yes. Can you show me the picture? They showed the north, south, east, west of the backyard. She did plant a lot of trees last year. A lot of evergreens as well. The whole backyard is green. You can't see anything. All right. Thank you. Welcome. Any other questions from the board? Okay. Well, then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Okay. Please, would you give her room for the podium? I am not. I'm the contractor. Contractor. Yep. Please. My name is Laura Wade. I live behind these folks. On your address, please. 3-2-1-9, Woodside Court. So, behind them. There's two, and I'm the left, behind them. On that picture. And last month, they built a very large garage. And you can see the room for the monitor that is going in for you. And if you know the window, I'm going to have a soft bin. which is highly visible, and now this is a gazebo. And I have a question. Is it true that the gazebo is twice the size of the code? 50% exceeds? I can answer that.

  22. Please, would you give her room for the podium? I am not. I'm the contractor. Contractor. Yep. Please. My name is Laura Wade. I live behind these folks. On your address, please. 3-2-1-9, Woodside Court. So, behind them. There's two, and I'm the left, behind them. On that picture. And last month, they built a very large garage. And you can see the room for the monitor that is going in for you. And if you know the window, I'm going to have a soft bin. which is highly visible, and now this is a gazebo. And I have a question. Is it true that the gazebo is twice the size of the code? 50% exceeds? I can answer that. We have a requirement with our zoning ordinance that only allows for a certain amount of accessory space on your property, okay? So they're exceeding 50% of the ground floor area of the existing house, okay? We have a calculation that's done to ensure that you don't have more accessory use on your property that you have residential, right? So the gazebo size is half the size of the house? No, the gazebo is only 225 square feet. It's when you add up the detached garage, which is 1158, and you add the existing garage attached to the house at 519. It's not attached. Okay. That's how we come up with a calculation, by adding all that up. So that's what they're requesting. is by adding the gazebo, now they're slightly over that allowable 50%. But that's cumulative. How much over? But that's cumulative. The total accessory space all together over the entire property,

  23. We have a requirement with our zoning ordinance that only allows for a certain amount of accessory space on your property, okay? So they're exceeding 50% of the ground floor area of the existing house, okay? We have a calculation that's done to ensure that you don't have more accessory use on your property that you have residential, right? So the gazebo size is half the size of the house? No, the gazebo is only 225 square feet. It's when you add up the detached garage, which is 1158, and you add the existing garage attached to the house at 519. It's not attached. Okay. That's how we come up with a calculation, by adding all that up. So that's what they're requesting. is by adding the gazebo, now they're slightly over that allowable 50%. But that's cumulative. How much over? But that's cumulative. The total accessory space all together over the entire property, they're 430 square feet over. I want a number like, okay, the gazebo is supposed to be 50 square feet and is 75 square feet. Yeah, we don't have that. What we're doing is we're looking at all the accessory spaces on that single property, adding them all up and making sure that that accessory space doesn't exceed the house. And in this instance, when you add it all up, it exceeds the limit by 430 square feet total. The gazebo? No, the gazebo and the garage is combined. So is the gazebo too big? It's 225 square feet, so that's probably an average size of a gazebo. This is an average size gazebo they're asking for. I guess I don't know how to answer that. I mean, 225, if, when you're, after the public comment, if the applicant wants to respond to the size of it. Can we see a picture again of the gazebo? See the garage? They just built behind. It's not finished. It's not finished. It's not finished. It's not finished.

  24. they're 430 square feet over. I want a number like, okay, the gazebo is supposed to be 50 square feet and is 75 square feet. Yeah, we don't have that. What we're doing is we're looking at all the accessory spaces on that single property, adding them all up and making sure that that accessory space doesn't exceed the house. And in this instance, when you add it all up, it exceeds the limit by 430 square feet total. The gazebo? No, the gazebo and the garage is combined. So is the gazebo too big? It's 225 square feet, so that's probably an average size of a gazebo. This is an average size gazebo they're asking for. I guess I don't know how to answer that. I mean, 225, if, when you're, after the public comment, if the applicant wants to respond to the size of it. Can we see a picture again of the gazebo? See the garage? They just built behind. It's not finished. It's not finished. It's not finished. It's not finished. It's a three-car grass white wall with a roof that I can see from my property, and the garage needs. Up, up. Just a second. Just for reference. Okay. So I can see that garage really well. The gazebo I would be able to see fairly well. So they will need to add a lot of greenery. While there are woods, they will not cover both those structures from me standing and looking. Do you have any other comments? No. Are they going to put a lot of greenery around the gazebo and the garage? Okay. Thank you. That's a question for you. Sure. We'll have them address it when we're done with the public hearing. Okay.

  25. It's a three-car grass white wall with a roof that I can see from my property, and the garage needs. Up, up. Just a second. Just for reference. Okay. So I can see that garage really well. The gazebo I would be able to see fairly well. So they will need to add a lot of greenery. While there are woods, they will not cover both those structures from me standing and looking. Do you have any other comments? No. Are they going to put a lot of greenery around the gazebo and the garage? Okay. Thank you. That's a question for you. Sure. We'll have them address it when we're done with the public hearing. Okay. Tom, would you mind putting up the photo, the other one that showed the garage? One more. I think there was another one. Because that looks like a finished garage. I was talking about how... There it is. But the garage looks... Yes. ... Because that's... what the current garage probably looks like now maybe that's where her comments were it's not it's not finished okay because the other one showed it okay all right anyone else like to comment on this matter okay well i'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the applicant if you want to address any of her concerns or if she needs more evergreens we can add more evergreens the property you can see the trees are kind of touching the garage right now the evergreens so i said the evergreens are touching the garage oh i'm sorry um the evergreens are touching the garage these guys have a lot of evergreens on their property a lot it's heavily you can see trees everywhere are those stakes in the ground mapping out excuse me ma'am okay the public hearing is closed so we can't have any more

  26. Tom, would you mind putting up the photo, the other one that showed the garage? One more. I think there was another one. Because that looks like a finished garage. I was talking about how... There it is. But the garage looks... Yes. ... Because that's... what the current garage probably looks like now maybe that's where her comments were it's not it's not finished okay because the other one showed it okay all right anyone else like to comment on this matter okay well i'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the applicant if you want to address any of her concerns or if she needs more evergreens we can add more evergreens the property you can see the trees are kind of touching the garage right now the evergreens so i said the evergreens are touching the garage oh i'm sorry um the evergreens are touching the garage these guys have a lot of evergreens on their property a lot it's heavily you can see trees everywhere are those stakes in the ground mapping out excuse me ma'am okay the public hearing is closed so we can't have any more comments from the floor um the are those stakes just mapping out yes correct when you got the approval for the garage was there any additional greenery that screening that was applied there was a couple evergreens that need to go in after we're done construction over the garage excuse me ma'am we can't have any comments from the floor once the public hearing is closed we just looked back on the motion and there was not an additional screening proposed at that time which is not and it is a detached garage so we just verified that the motion didn't ask for any additional screening so we did double-check that ma'am for history historical record and then for context accessory structures detached garages normally do not have or are not required by our ordinance to have screening if the primary use of the detached garage is for a boat or for a car is that correct well it's not explicitly written that way I think the general the practice has been that when it's a detached garage if the materials are similar to that of a house in near that of the house it's not as imposing as perhaps a shed or canopy so there are times in which the board may determine

  27. ground mapping out excuse me ma'am okay the public hearing is closed so we can't have any more comments from the floor um the are those stakes just mapping out yes correct when you got the approval for the garage was there any additional greenery that screening that was applied there was a couple evergreens that need to go in after we're done construction over the garage excuse me ma'am we can't have any comments from the floor once the public hearing is closed we just looked back on the motion and there was not an additional screening proposed at that time which is not and it is a detached garage so we just verified that the motion didn't ask for any additional screening so we did double-check that ma'am for history historical record and then for context accessory structures detached garages normally do not have or are not required by our ordinance to have screening if the primary use of the detached garage is for a boat or for a car is that correct well it's not explicitly written that way I think the general the practice has been that when it's a detached garage if the materials are similar to that of a house in near that of the house it's not as imposing as perhaps a shed or canopy so there are times in which the board may determine that additional evergreen screening may not be required in this instance had not been for whatever reason thank you and then again the white that she's referring to is the wrap of the garage that isn't the finished material which the house has finished material like a wood style siding which would blend more into the nature so while it stands out now it's Scott would you agree that it's more the temporary construction associated with it we just had a inspection today for the masonry it's gonna match the house perfectly same brick and one more question and the renderings it looked like the garage had like fitness equipment and is it a month purpose building or is it a garage for artistic flair it's just designed I don't think we're allowed to discuss it but at the thing it was half office half garage and half office last workout finish before but we already we already ruled on that so it's not something to roll in today and then just madam chair the only thing is we did also receive letters from the neighbor on this as well and it's not that they were opposed to it they just wanted to know specifically how much more construction would be done at the property and then

  28. as perhaps a shed or canopy so there are times in which the board may determine that additional evergreen screening may not be required in this instance had not been for whatever reason thank you and then again the white that she's referring to is the wrap of the garage that isn't the finished material which the house has finished material like a wood style siding which would blend more into the nature so while it stands out now it's Scott would you agree that it's more the temporary construction associated with it we just had a inspection today for the masonry it's gonna match the house perfectly same brick and one more question and the renderings it looked like the garage had like fitness equipment and is it a month purpose building or is it a garage for artistic flair it's just designed I don't think we're allowed to discuss it but at the thing it was half office half garage and half office last workout finish before but we already we already ruled on that so it's not something to roll in today and then just madam chair the only thing is we did also receive letters from the neighbor on this as well and it's not that they were opposed to it they just wanted to know specifically how much more construction would be done at the property and then they didn't want to see it as well as what I gathered yeah the screening was was an issue and then I think also additional accessory structures if there was more coming down the road any questions or comments from the board for my time but it seems like even with the accessory structure nothing is evil they exceeded the 50% and that had no problem as well then what can I went through you know pretty large lot and how size is so the permitted accessory structure pace would be relatively 1473 which you know for the lot is somewhat and I believe their practical difficulty stated was their two-car garage wasn't big enough to fit modern vehicles so while they may have had a big home but again it was already ruled on while it adds to the other 50% historical knowledge I appreciate myself I agree I think it's a sizable lot and this is relatively modest size structure this gazebo that we see ironically as houses to get added on to and most likely will when this house

  29. specifically how much more construction would be done at the property and then they didn't want to see it as well as what I gathered yeah the screening was was an issue and then I think also additional accessory structures if there was more coming down the road any questions or comments from the board for my time but it seems like even with the accessory structure nothing is evil they exceeded the 50% and that had no problem as well then what can I went through you know pretty large lot and how size is so the permitted accessory structure pace would be relatively 1473 which you know for the lot is somewhat and I believe their practical difficulty stated was their two-car garage wasn't big enough to fit modern vehicles so while they may have had a big home but again it was already ruled on while it adds to the other 50% historical knowledge I appreciate myself I agree I think it's a sizable lot and this is relatively modest size structure this gazebo that we see ironically as houses to get added on to and most likely will when this house gets larger that you know 50% then could go away you know in a hurry and by and large both the detached garage and the gazebo in my sense are not out of keeping with the neighborhood or the size of the lot are you ready motion I would love to sure madam chair in regards to the appeal I'm gonna go with the permission request first regards the appeal at 1065 Green Tree Road for the accessory structure I move the request be approved as we're gonna call it amended so we'll get there based information presented they did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate neighborhood as many people have pergolas or gazebos in their backyard in order to enjoy the nature and then in regards to that same appeal for the dimensional variance regarding the 50 percent ground floor area being exceeded by 430 I move the variance be approved as requested be based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance articulated orders to be unduly burdensome because based on the other things we've

  30. ironically as houses to get added on to and most likely will when this house gets larger that you know 50% then could go away you know in a hurry and by and large both the detached garage and the gazebo in my sense are not out of keeping with the neighborhood or the size of the lot are you ready motion I would love to sure madam chair in regards to the appeal I'm gonna go with the permission request first regards the appeal at 1065 Green Tree Road for the accessory structure I move the request be approved as we're gonna call it amended so we'll get there based information presented they did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate neighborhood as many people have pergolas or gazebos in their backyard in order to enjoy the nature and then in regards to that same appeal for the dimensional variance regarding the 50 percent ground floor area being exceeded by 430 I move the variance be approved as requested be based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance articulated orders to be unduly burdensome because based on the other things we've offered him he would not be able to add any type of accessory structure to his property again it is a large property it is far from the property lines so that is okay there is no injustice to you join neighbors by the reason of we are gonna screen it unique circumstance other property been demonstrated given the fact that again they already had a detached structure which added to the ground floor area being exceeded and that is why they're here for that particular variance this is not self created because of the fact that again they had a small garage so they had to add accessory space in order to live in this home if this motion is approved all necessary permits must be made within one year and all applications must be obtained prior to installation now I'm going to require you shall put additional evergreen screenings so that it is not seen from public view if the current stuff that's there is great if your neighbors can see it and it's not you have to put new screening in however that works sure I have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you thank you all right item number 55886 Sutter's Lane hi I'm Nadine Bolanos living in 5886 Sutter's Lane so I'm here to ask for approval to

  31. offered him he would not be able to add any type of accessory structure to his property again it is a large property it is far from the property lines so that is okay there is no injustice to you join neighbors by the reason of we are gonna screen it unique circumstance other property been demonstrated given the fact that again they already had a detached structure which added to the ground floor area being exceeded and that is why they're here for that particular variance this is not self created because of the fact that again they had a small garage so they had to add accessory space in order to live in this home if this motion is approved all necessary permits must be made within one year and all applications must be obtained prior to installation now I'm going to require you shall put additional evergreen screenings so that it is not seen from public view if the current stuff that's there is great if your neighbors can see it and it's not you have to put new screening in however that works sure I have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you thank you all right item number 55886 Sutter's Lane hi I'm Nadine Bolanos living in 5886 Sutter's Lane so I'm here to ask for approval to install a swim spa we wanted for recreational purposes and also for workout as we all love swimming and we intend to install it directly at the house respecting all codes it is in the rear yard more than 16 feet away from the property line, less than 14 feet in height, and we will screen it with Evergreens. So the swim spa will be protected from site all year round. It comes with a heavy-duty locking safety cover, which locks on all sides. The HOA has already approved, and so, yeah, tonight I'm asking for your approval as well. Any questions from the board? I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the board for any questions or a motion. Okay, Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. Okay, with regard to the appeal at 5886 Sutter's Lane for this pool spa, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42 2-7.6 standards because the use of this structure is harmonious to the neighborhood, given the

  32. Nadine Bolanos living in 5886 Sutter's Lane so I'm here to ask for approval to install a swim spa we wanted for recreational purposes and also for workout as we all love swimming and we intend to install it directly at the house respecting all codes it is in the rear yard more than 16 feet away from the property line, less than 14 feet in height, and we will screen it with Evergreens. So the swim spa will be protected from site all year round. It comes with a heavy-duty locking safety cover, which locks on all sides. The HOA has already approved, and so, yeah, tonight I'm asking for your approval as well. Any questions from the board? I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the board for any questions or a motion. Okay, Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. Okay, with regard to the appeal at 5886 Sutter's Lane for this pool spa, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42 2-7.6 standards because the use of this structure is harmonious to the neighborhood, given the fact that these are used throughout the township and enjoyed by many. If approved, the application must include application for all necessary. permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation and additional evergreen plant plantings as indicated will be required to screen the swim spa from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the swim spa at the time of planting support okay I have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed motion carries congratulations. Have a good evening. Item number six. 7005 Cathedral Drive. Good evening.

  33. 2-7.6 standards because the use of this structure is harmonious to the neighborhood, given the fact that these are used throughout the township and enjoyed by many. If approved, the application must include application for all necessary. permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation and additional evergreen plant plantings as indicated will be required to screen the swim spa from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the swim spa at the time of planting support okay I have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed motion carries congratulations. Have a good evening. Item number six. 7005 Cathedral Drive. Good evening. Hi everyone my name is Jasper Hanifi. I'm the resident at 7005 Cathedral Drive. We're looking to install a hot tub in our rear yard. It's 16 feet from the nearest property line. We're putting in 16 arborvitaes along the south whatever between the property lines there to provide adequate screening and I think that's it. Are you putting the mountains in as well? Hopefully. Hopefully. If only. It does look like there's quite a bit of screening on that rear property line. Is it yours? So the screening on the east side, that is my neighbors. The screening on the screening on the west side, that is my friend. The screening on that is the The south side that already exists in the red, the existing seven, those are mine. And then I'm putting 16 more where it's purple. Great screening plan. I like the color codes. Thanks. Any other questions from the board? Then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a motion or discussion. I'll make a motion. In regard to the appeal at 700 plus Cathedral Drive for the accessory structure,

  34. Hi everyone my name is Jasper Hanifi. I'm the resident at 7005 Cathedral Drive. We're looking to install a hot tub in our rear yard. It's 16 feet from the nearest property line. We're putting in 16 arborvitaes along the south whatever between the property lines there to provide adequate screening and I think that's it. Are you putting the mountains in as well? Hopefully. Hopefully. If only. It does look like there's quite a bit of screening on that rear property line. Is it yours? So the screening on the east side, that is my neighbors. The screening on the screening on the west side, that is my friend. The screening on that is the The south side that already exists in the red, the existing seven, those are mine. And then I'm putting 16 more where it's purple. Great screening plan. I like the color codes. Thanks. Any other questions from the board? Then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a motion or discussion. I'll make a motion. In regard to the appeal at 700 plus Cathedral Drive for the accessory structure, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because the size of the accessory structure is compatible with the adjoining properties based on there's many hot tubs of this nature within the neighborhood and the township. It's appropriate to the neighborhood. Once again, many properties have this type of accessory structure. The location and accessory structure will not hinder or discourage the adjacent use of the property due to it being somewhat close to the house, complying with all setbacks, and being screened. And it will be harmonious to the neighborhood for the reasons I've already stated. If this motion is approved, the application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installations and additional evergreen plantings shall be required to screen the hot tub from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the hot tub. time of planting. Support. Okay, I have motion and support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, item number seven.

  35. In regard to the appeal at 700 plus Cathedral Drive for the accessory structure, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because the size of the accessory structure is compatible with the adjoining properties based on there's many hot tubs of this nature within the neighborhood and the township. It's appropriate to the neighborhood. Once again, many properties have this type of accessory structure. The location and accessory structure will not hinder or discourage the adjacent use of the property due to it being somewhat close to the house, complying with all setbacks, and being screened. And it will be harmonious to the neighborhood for the reasons I've already stated. If this motion is approved, the application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installations and additional evergreen plantings shall be required to screen the hot tub from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the hot tub. time of planting. Support. Okay, I have motion and support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, item number seven. 1921 Lone Pine Road. Good evening. Good evening. So my name is Tim Nelson, T. Nelson et al., architectural designer. 1921 Lone Pine, we're looking to do a retaining wall which exceeds at some portions of where the wall falls over four feet. So we're looking for approval for a retaining wall. Do you have the photographs of the house and the, and the, okay, there we go, and the proposed rendering by chance? What we're looking to do is you can see the grade there. There was a wood deck originally there which doesn't really go with the 1930s aesthetic for a house. So we'd like to tie in a reclaimed brick retaining wall and we're doing an extension of a covered patio that sort of requires a retaining wall in order to build a foundation. So we're looking for approval for that. Again, the retaining wall, you should have a rendering of the proposed project. Retaining wall will match the brick on the existing rear of the house.

  36. 1921 Lone Pine Road. Good evening. Good evening. So my name is Tim Nelson, T. Nelson et al., architectural designer. 1921 Lone Pine, we're looking to do a retaining wall which exceeds at some portions of where the wall falls over four feet. So we're looking for approval for a retaining wall. Do you have the photographs of the house and the, and the, okay, there we go, and the proposed rendering by chance? What we're looking to do is you can see the grade there. There was a wood deck originally there which doesn't really go with the 1930s aesthetic for a house. So we'd like to tie in a reclaimed brick retaining wall and we're doing an extension of a covered patio that sort of requires a retaining wall in order to build a foundation. So we're looking for approval for that. Again, the retaining wall, you should have a rendering of the proposed project. Retaining wall will match the brick on the existing rear of the house. any questions on the board do you not have the rendering that was submitted as a colorized rendering of the okay gotcha okay yes yes yellow or dating here yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

  37. any questions on the board do you not have the rendering that was submitted as a colorized rendering of the okay gotcha okay yes yes yellow or dating here yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and I put my legs on it. I am going to take it over here now. I like this brand new bag. I encourage you to wash my hands together. it's very light that I don't know. Wait for me maybe 30 minutes? I had to wash your hands together. I did not have to wash my hands, This is not the one you're referring to? That is. Yeah. I think it's big enough we don't need to put up on the screen. Right. Hell yeah. So I have screening, planting. You don't even see the retaining wall, obviously, in the rendering, but I have a plantings of it. I think we can see that. Yeah. You don't necessarily have to project it. Yeah. That's great. Beautiful. And this is the addition that's not part of this, but we need this approved in order to go to the next stage. Okay. Any questions from the board? All right. We'll now open a public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? And I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a discussion or a motion.

  38. yes and I put my legs on it. I am going to take it over here now. I like this brand new bag. I encourage you to wash my hands together. it's very light that I don't know. Wait for me maybe 30 minutes? I had to wash your hands together. I did not have to wash my hands, This is not the one you're referring to? That is. Yeah. I think it's big enough we don't need to put up on the screen. Right. Hell yeah. So I have screening, planting. You don't even see the retaining wall, obviously, in the rendering, but I have a plantings of it. I think we can see that. Yeah. You don't necessarily have to project it. Yeah. That's great. Beautiful. And this is the addition that's not part of this, but we need this approved in order to go to the next stage. Okay. Any questions from the board? All right. We'll now open a public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? And I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a discussion or a motion. Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. So with regard to the dimensional variance request at 1921 Lone Pine Road for a retaining wall bearing in height due to grade changes with a maximum height of five feet, I move that this variance be approved as requested based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict load of the ordinance would be dually burdensome due to the sloping topography of this lot. Thank you. Here is no injustice to enjoying neighbors by reason that this retaining wall will eventually be screened with some plantings. Unique circumstances with this property have demonstrated that again once again it has sloping topography and this is not self-created. So if this motion is approved it must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. Additional African plantings may be required to screen or shall be required to screen the retaining wall from public view. It must meet or exceed the height of the structure at the time of planting. I think that your picture of them or your landscaping plan is perfectly sufficient. Great. Thank you. Support. Support. I have a motion in support.

  39. And I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a discussion or a motion. Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. So with regard to the dimensional variance request at 1921 Lone Pine Road for a retaining wall bearing in height due to grade changes with a maximum height of five feet, I move that this variance be approved as requested based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict load of the ordinance would be dually burdensome due to the sloping topography of this lot. Thank you. Here is no injustice to enjoying neighbors by reason that this retaining wall will eventually be screened with some plantings. Unique circumstances with this property have demonstrated that again once again it has sloping topography and this is not self-created. So if this motion is approved it must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. Additional African plantings may be required to screen or shall be required to screen the retaining wall from public view. It must meet or exceed the height of the structure at the time of planting. I think that your picture of them or your landscaping plan is perfectly sufficient. Great. Thank you. Support. Support. I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item number 8. 2228 Somerset Road. Good evening. Good evening. Roy and Lisa Chow. We're the homeowners of 2228 Somerset. We moved in a little over three years ago. We've done a lot of renovations really to make it our home. We're really happy to be here in Bloomfield Township. We're meeting with you right now to ask for a zone variance. We hope to install a privacy fence in the backyard. We also have made dog owners. So we understand that there's ramifications if you happen to have a dog on property. So we want to see if we can receive a variance for the fence we want to install. And we received a notice from our HOA that they- We have no comment, and our adjacent neighbors are in support of our plan. Any questions from the board? Okay, then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for any questions or motion. Is the five feet at issue, or is it just the location on the lot line? Both. So it should be four feet.

  40. landscaping plan is perfectly sufficient. Great. Thank you. Support. Support. I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item number 8. 2228 Somerset Road. Good evening. Good evening. Roy and Lisa Chow. We're the homeowners of 2228 Somerset. We moved in a little over three years ago. We've done a lot of renovations really to make it our home. We're really happy to be here in Bloomfield Township. We're meeting with you right now to ask for a zone variance. We hope to install a privacy fence in the backyard. We also have made dog owners. So we understand that there's ramifications if you happen to have a dog on property. So we want to see if we can receive a variance for the fence we want to install. And we received a notice from our HOA that they- We have no comment, and our adjacent neighbors are in support of our plan. Any questions from the board? Okay, then I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for any questions or motion. Is the five feet at issue, or is it just the location on the lot line? Both. So it should be four feet. Correct. Thomas Point, a rendering of the fence. It's not in the PowerPoint. That's one issue, and then if it's a dog enclosure fence, it can go, it has to be 16 feet from the property line, so we're encroaching. Can you tell us why we have to encroach? If you notice, our property is not that big. If we were to adhere strictly to the zone, we'd have a little poster stamp off of our back deck. And there's also some really mature trees on the one side, so if we were to bring it in, we would kind of be having to go past what you're asking or cut it in half, the really mature trees. And our neighbors are completely fine with it. And we can go down to four feet. I don't mind that. Yeah. We didn't know whether to ask for four. I knew that four you don't have to ask for, but since we don't remember what we wanted, four or five. I think if you would still go to the property line, you'd have to ask for something. That's a different variance. Right. So you're asking for two variances today. I'm sorry, the setback variance being so close to the property line and then the fact that they're putting a fence in. If it's a dog enclosure fence, it can be permitted by right, correct, but they would still need to be, those are two separate issues they're asking for today, correct Andrea?

  41. Correct. Thomas Point, a rendering of the fence. It's not in the PowerPoint. That's one issue, and then if it's a dog enclosure fence, it can go, it has to be 16 feet from the property line, so we're encroaching. Can you tell us why we have to encroach? If you notice, our property is not that big. If we were to adhere strictly to the zone, we'd have a little poster stamp off of our back deck. And there's also some really mature trees on the one side, so if we were to bring it in, we would kind of be having to go past what you're asking or cut it in half, the really mature trees. And our neighbors are completely fine with it. And we can go down to four feet. I don't mind that. Yeah. We didn't know whether to ask for four. I knew that four you don't have to ask for, but since we don't remember what we wanted, four or five. I think if you would still go to the property line, you'd have to ask for something. That's a different variance. Right. So you're asking for two variances today. I'm sorry, the setback variance being so close to the property line and then the fact that they're putting a fence in. If it's a dog enclosure fence, it can be permitted by right, correct, but they would still need to be, those are two separate issues they're asking for today, correct Andrea? They're asking right now, it sounds like they're removing the request for the one foot exceeding the four foot height fence. It looks like they're taking that off the table. Yes. It was neither here nor there for us. I just put five foot, I forgot the rule about the four feet. Can I just share something real quick? When you guys say dog enclosure fence, we're not really using it for that. We have dogs, but we're going to sit outside with them. We just want to be able to do that with a leash, you know, and be able to enjoy our backyard. You know, we take them on walks, we do all of that. You know, all of our neighbors have fences. We moved into the neighborhood thinking it wouldn't be a problem to put up a fence. We didn't realize all of that because we saw so many different fences and none of them are covered. They all go up to the property line. So we thought it would be, we thought it would be okay. So that's when we moved in and we found out it's not okay, it was kind of a gut punch. Just clarification for the board. Did you guys submit a rendering of what type of fencing you're proposing because usually we have that. We did. We had something from last year. We were thinking of either metal slat fencing or black coated vinyl, what do you call it? Chain link? Chain link, yeah. Okay. So those are the two options we had. We hadn't decided which one yet. Costs and things. We're not sure yet. Just kind of when the March goes back, because when you give us a couple more examples…… them.

  42. to be, those are two separate issues they're asking for today, correct Andrea? They're asking right now, it sounds like they're removing the request for the one foot exceeding the four foot height fence. It looks like they're taking that off the table. Yes. It was neither here nor there for us. I just put five foot, I forgot the rule about the four feet. Can I just share something real quick? When you guys say dog enclosure fence, we're not really using it for that. We have dogs, but we're going to sit outside with them. We just want to be able to do that with a leash, you know, and be able to enjoy our backyard. You know, we take them on walks, we do all of that. You know, all of our neighbors have fences. We moved into the neighborhood thinking it wouldn't be a problem to put up a fence. We didn't realize all of that because we saw so many different fences and none of them are covered. They all go up to the property line. So we thought it would be, we thought it would be okay. So that's when we moved in and we found out it's not okay, it was kind of a gut punch. Just clarification for the board. Did you guys submit a rendering of what type of fencing you're proposing because usually we have that. We did. We had something from last year. We were thinking of either metal slat fencing or black coated vinyl, what do you call it? Chain link? Chain link, yeah. Okay. So those are the two options we had. We hadn't decided which one yet. Costs and things. We're not sure yet. Just kind of when the March goes back, because when you give us a couple more examples…… them. be a point of discussion to the board and again like you said your neighbor already has a fence along the back property that's correct so they already are at the end so you putting yours there would not be a hindrance to them is what we're getting at oh yes correct yeah they can't cross over to us at this point yeah they'd be pretty adventurous and actually our our dogs love each other so and you got the support of your neighbors too all of your neighbors that was really good thank you for doing that yeah what's the height of your neighbor's fence in the back i would say four feet oh yeah so you're gonna uh go with four a four foot fence yeah okay any other questions from the board so are there any fences on the two sides none yeah so yours would be the only fence yes ma'am you know do we require that to be screened and move in to have plantings on the two sides which would only be four or five feet you couldn't do that especially on the one side but the trees you see the you see the mature trees there and and then there's just an issue with uh planting things on the outside of the fence for taking care of it but also just some neighbor stuff um i don't know i i would rather plan them on the inside of the fence if that were okay well normally

  43. be a point of discussion to the board and again like you said your neighbor already has a fence along the back property that's correct so they already are at the end so you putting yours there would not be a hindrance to them is what we're getting at oh yes correct yeah they can't cross over to us at this point yeah they'd be pretty adventurous and actually our our dogs love each other so and you got the support of your neighbors too all of your neighbors that was really good thank you for doing that yeah what's the height of your neighbor's fence in the back i would say four feet oh yeah so you're gonna uh go with four a four foot fence yeah okay any other questions from the board so are there any fences on the two sides none yeah so yours would be the only fence yes ma'am you know do we require that to be screened and move in to have plantings on the two sides which would only be four or five feet you couldn't do that especially on the one side but the trees you see the you see the mature trees there and and then there's just an issue with uh planting things on the outside of the fence for taking care of it but also just some neighbor stuff um i don't know i i would rather plan them on the inside of the fence if that were okay well normally it would be on the on the outside it'd normally be on the outside of the fence so that neighbors out of public view but then you also would have to move it in far enough so you could maintain it which understand a dilemma here or practical difficulty even is what you're saying is because of your trees and your ability to maintain it that's what it sounds like right all right we don't have a problem with planet house if people are worried about the dogs coming up to the fence we would just rather do it on the inside if at all possible it's really to screen the fence from from view that's what the plantings are for is the type of fence consequence consequential to the board is it going to be a solid privacy fence or are you thinking of a more open no it'd be open either slats or the chain well I just want to make sure that what you were thinking when you say slats like pickets every you know like they're like right yeah yeah but but yeah there'd be mostly gaps between it yeah bunnies be free to roam well I mean I don't know if we get into aesthetics but I feel like a chain-link

  44. um i don't know i i would rather plan them on the inside of the fence if that were okay well normally it would be on the on the outside it'd normally be on the outside of the fence so that neighbors out of public view but then you also would have to move it in far enough so you could maintain it which understand a dilemma here or practical difficulty even is what you're saying is because of your trees and your ability to maintain it that's what it sounds like right all right we don't have a problem with planet house if people are worried about the dogs coming up to the fence we would just rather do it on the inside if at all possible it's really to screen the fence from from view that's what the plantings are for is the type of fence consequence consequential to the board is it going to be a solid privacy fence or are you thinking of a more open no it'd be open either slats or the chain well I just want to make sure that what you were thinking when you say slats like pickets every you know like they're like right yeah yeah but but yeah there'd be mostly gaps between it yeah bunnies be free to roam well I mean I don't know if we get into aesthetics but I feel like a chain-link fence I would want to see screening right and we usually do see an image of the kind of fence you're doing so yeah that was probably our we did write it on there yeah and we would totally do wrought an iron if that's preferred we just weren't sure yeah there are all kinds of um you know aluminum finished things that look like a metal fence that aren't you wrought iron. That look would be my preference. Darker soil blends in. I'm sorry? Darker soil blends in. Yes, that's our goal. We don't want galvanized steel. No, that's why we were staying black. I think we had put down black. I know we did. So if you're going to plant any evergreen plantings on the outside of your fence, how far into the setback would you want to go so that you have room to maintain your plant? We prefer not to do outside just before exit because we want to take care of them and we have to encroach on our neighbor's yard to take care of them. Therefore, we'd like the one foot from the north side. We'd like one foot and then we'd plant inside the one foot from the property line. That's our intention. Would you consider

  45. well I mean I don't know if we get into aesthetics but I feel like a chain-link fence I would want to see screening right and we usually do see an image of the kind of fence you're doing so yeah that was probably our we did write it on there yeah and we would totally do wrought an iron if that's preferred we just weren't sure yeah there are all kinds of um you know aluminum finished things that look like a metal fence that aren't you wrought iron. That look would be my preference. Darker soil blends in. I'm sorry? Darker soil blends in. Yes, that's our goal. We don't want galvanized steel. No, that's why we were staying black. I think we had put down black. I know we did. So if you're going to plant any evergreen plantings on the outside of your fence, how far into the setback would you want to go so that you have room to maintain your plant? We prefer not to do outside just before exit because we want to take care of them and we have to encroach on our neighbor's yard to take care of them. Therefore, we'd like the one foot from the north side. We'd like one foot and then we'd plant inside the one foot from the property line. That's our intention. Would you consider maybe bringing the fence in a couple feet and planting those evergreen plantings on the outside? That's what we typically do in the township. I want to know what your opinion is of that. I'm sorry. We're just curious though as to why that we feel like that's being required of us when it's not in our neighborhood. So I don't know. I don't see any other. The only fence that I see in our neighborhood that's green like that is one that has two basically two front yards and they kind of screened it. But I don't see anybody else having to do that so we're just kind of a little not sure why if our neighbors are okay with it and you know it would look nice. Our neighbors are okay with it even without the screen. be frank i guess we're just not sure why we would be required to do it the township requires us to screen fences from public view i know it in your situation that there may be some neighbors that have not so okay what does the board think i guess that that's what's required we just is there a question at hand ma'am i'm not sure for sure how about we'll discuss at the board then we'll ask you that way okay we're not having this too much back and forth because you guys are confused and uh rightfully so so most of the time we screen fences so people can't see

  46. we'd plant inside the one foot from the property line. That's our intention. Would you consider maybe bringing the fence in a couple feet and planting those evergreen plantings on the outside? That's what we typically do in the township. I want to know what your opinion is of that. I'm sorry. We're just curious though as to why that we feel like that's being required of us when it's not in our neighborhood. So I don't know. I don't see any other. The only fence that I see in our neighborhood that's green like that is one that has two basically two front yards and they kind of screened it. But I don't see anybody else having to do that so we're just kind of a little not sure why if our neighbors are okay with it and you know it would look nice. Our neighbors are okay with it even without the screen. be frank i guess we're just not sure why we would be required to do it the township requires us to screen fences from public view i know it in your situation that there may be some neighbors that have not so okay what does the board think i guess that that's what's required we just is there a question at hand ma'am i'm not sure for sure how about we'll discuss at the board then we'll ask you that way okay we're not having this too much back and forth because you guys are confused and uh rightfully so so most of the time we screen fences so people can't see it from public view so the fact you got all your neighbors to support it is amazing the fact you got letters from every single person is great but let's say just like you a neighbor moves out and moves in they didn't get a chance to say that she didn't want to fence or i don't want to see your fence do whatever you want your property i don't want to see it so that's that balancing act we try to do is because just like you guys came in and didn't have all those knowns we want to make sure we don't do that to the next neighbor so trying to be fair but we understand there are some practical difficulties that you're providing i'm a scream whatever you want in your backyard but i understand we have some issues there are other neighbors having the property line so i have one issue when you drive through the neighborhood there are plenty of fences now i don't love seeing them from the road everybody knows i don't love fences so that is where i go but again they make reasonable accommodations associated with the fact that they have mature trees so how we're gonna have them be able to go around mature trees when we talk about that's an important thing for not only them but their neighbors so they already decided they were willing to reduce it down I wish we'd have

  47. you guys are confused and uh rightfully so so most of the time we screen fences so people can't see it from public view so the fact you got all your neighbors to support it is amazing the fact you got letters from every single person is great but let's say just like you a neighbor moves out and moves in they didn't get a chance to say that she didn't want to fence or i don't want to see your fence do whatever you want your property i don't want to see it so that's that balancing act we try to do is because just like you guys came in and didn't have all those knowns we want to make sure we don't do that to the next neighbor so trying to be fair but we understand there are some practical difficulties that you're providing i'm a scream whatever you want in your backyard but i understand we have some issues there are other neighbors having the property line so i have one issue when you drive through the neighborhood there are plenty of fences now i don't love seeing them from the road everybody knows i don't love fences so that is where i go but again they make reasonable accommodations associated with the fact that they have mature trees so how we're gonna have them be able to go around mature trees when we talk about that's an important thing for not only them but their neighbors so they already decided they were willing to reduce it down I wish we'd have gotten pictures of it but we work together on what type of fencing they do which is a picket fence so they are able to provide us with some level of compromise here and we have not had any feedback from the neighborhood negative to it so good point so if we would have gotten five neighbors that said I want to see the fence then maybe we have to find a way to accommodate that I haven't gotten a single neighbor to call me on this one got plenty of calls and other ones this isn't what I got a call on so I think that that's that would be a testament to them working to be neighborly so if we want to soften it in some way we could pick certain areas maybe the front along the road for Somerset that would still soften it and then not be a burden to the trees and some of the mature landscaping they have we would be okay with that is that practical if you have the two gates you have to basically put on each side of the gate beside the gate yeah it would soften it a little bit it's not practical I mean because we wouldn't how could we we cut off access to other than know the house I don't know how I'm not not in front of the gates I guess we could do one gate no go ahead I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm not saying in front of the gate I'm saying how much space do you have on each side of the gates I don't know

  48. they already decided they were willing to reduce it down I wish we'd have gotten pictures of it but we work together on what type of fencing they do which is a picket fence so they are able to provide us with some level of compromise here and we have not had any feedback from the neighborhood negative to it so good point so if we would have gotten five neighbors that said I want to see the fence then maybe we have to find a way to accommodate that I haven't gotten a single neighbor to call me on this one got plenty of calls and other ones this isn't what I got a call on so I think that that's that would be a testament to them working to be neighborly so if we want to soften it in some way we could pick certain areas maybe the front along the road for Somerset that would still soften it and then not be a burden to the trees and some of the mature landscaping they have we would be okay with that is that practical if you have the two gates you have to basically put on each side of the gate beside the gate yeah it would soften it a little bit it's not practical I mean because we wouldn't how could we we cut off access to other than know the house I don't know how I'm not not in front of the gates I guess we could do one gate no go ahead I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm not saying in front of the gate I'm saying how much space do you have on each side of the gates I don't know Oh, uh, gosh, yeah, you didn't provide the setbacks from your house. Actually, I thought I had written down. I think it's like 15 feet from the side of the house to the property line, give or take, or to the proposed... Probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, so... Fifteen or sixteen. Yeah. Well, one foot, oh, I got it right then, because one foot for the fence. Uh, so, so yeah, that'd be wide enough. We could put some things there. Yeah. Yeah. Just to soften it from the front. Yeah, we could definitely... It's hard to spatially remember how much... Okay. Okay. All right. You ready or let me... Yeah, no. Did we have our open public hearing? Yes, we did. Oh, okay. Well, I'll make a motion. Perfect. Um, in regards to the permission request for a dog enclosure fence at, um, 2228 Somerset? Yes. Yes. 2228 Somerset Road. No, it's a mouthful. Mm-hmm. For the accessory structure of a dog enclosure fence, um, I move to approve the, um, appeal as submitted on the drawings with the addition of some evergreen screening on the, beyond the gates that faces Somerset Road.

  49. Oh, uh, gosh, yeah, you didn't provide the setbacks from your house. Actually, I thought I had written down. I think it's like 15 feet from the side of the house to the property line, give or take, or to the proposed... Probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, so... Fifteen or sixteen. Yeah. Well, one foot, oh, I got it right then, because one foot for the fence. Uh, so, so yeah, that'd be wide enough. We could put some things there. Yeah. Yeah. Just to soften it from the front. Yeah, we could definitely... It's hard to spatially remember how much... Okay. Okay. All right. You ready or let me... Yeah, no. Did we have our open public hearing? Yes, we did. Oh, okay. Well, I'll make a motion. Perfect. Um, in regards to the permission request for a dog enclosure fence at, um, 2228 Somerset? Yes. Yes. 2228 Somerset Road. No, it's a mouthful. Mm-hmm. For the accessory structure of a dog enclosure fence, um, I move to approve the, um, appeal as submitted on the drawings with the addition of some evergreen screening on the, beyond the gates that faces Somerset Road. Um, I feel that the, um, applicant did demonstrate compliance with Section 42-7.6 standards. The size of the accessory structure, given that you agree to move it to four feet, is compatible... the adjoining properties the use of the structure is appropriate to the neighborhood and is a necessity for your dog enclosure and will be not objectionable the nearby neighbors as evidenced by the number of support letters that you have if this motion is approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits obtained prior to installation again it's the evergreen screening from the road mm-hmm great support I have a motion of support all those in favor aye opposed okay motion carries have a good evening okay item number nine seventy four zero nine St. Auburn yeah we're gonna look into this one we're gonna talk about it I'm madam chair if I could sure the applicant was unable to attend to meeting this evening the request is to install a five foot by six foot deep platform deck

  50. gates that faces Somerset Road. Um, I feel that the, um, applicant did demonstrate compliance with Section 42-7.6 standards. The size of the accessory structure, given that you agree to move it to four feet, is compatible... the adjoining properties the use of the structure is appropriate to the neighborhood and is a necessity for your dog enclosure and will be not objectionable the nearby neighbors as evidenced by the number of support letters that you have if this motion is approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits obtained prior to installation again it's the evergreen screening from the road mm-hmm great support I have a motion of support all those in favor aye opposed okay motion carries have a good evening okay item number nine seventy four zero nine St. Auburn yeah we're gonna look into this one we're gonna talk about it I'm madam chair if I could sure the applicant was unable to attend to meeting this evening the request is to install a five foot by six foot deep platform deck adjacent to the house off the side door we did the we did have a staff go out there today and take a look at the the location and the approximate setback because it was a little unclear and the estimation that was made by members of our staff is that they're approximately going to be the edge of the the platform porch is going to be a proxy 10 feet from the lot line so I would I would I would ask if the board is so inclined to take public comment if there is any and deliberate I just want to say that the request is for a essentially a dimensional variance to install a platform deck on the side door and the purpose of it is for the homeowner to be able to have access to that side of their yard so with that I can answer any questions but I think that we believe that the encroachment is approximately six feet with a well I shouldn't say six weeks we know exactly the houses the setback from the edge of the platform the proposed platform is

  51. evening the request is to install a five foot by six foot deep platform deck adjacent to the house off the side door we did the we did have a staff go out there today and take a look at the the location and the approximate setback because it was a little unclear and the estimation that was made by members of our staff is that they're approximately going to be the edge of the the platform porch is going to be a proxy 10 feet from the lot line so I would I would I would ask if the board is so inclined to take public comment if there is any and deliberate I just want to say that the request is for a essentially a dimensional variance to install a platform deck on the side door and the purpose of it is for the homeowner to be able to have access to that side of their yard so with that I can answer any questions but I think that we believe that the encroachment is approximately six feet with a well I shouldn't say six weeks we know exactly the houses the setback from the edge of the platform the proposed platform is going to be approximately 10 feet off the lot line all right well I'll open the public hearing if anyone like to speak to this matter and I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board for discussion or motion madam chair like to make a motion sure so in regards to the appeal at 7409 st. Auburn Drive for the dimensional variance for the platform deck adjacent to the house side door encroaching ten feet ten feet into the side northerly side yard I move the variance be approved as requested based on information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all compliance for all demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance particularly the ordinance be unduly burdensome because this elderly or senior patient person cannot utilize their home because of the garage to the garage. So again we want our people be able to age in their place and what they're asking for is reasonable accommodations. There is no justice to join neighbors by the reason of there was already a pad there. All they're trying to do is make this level with the

  52. the houses the setback from the edge of the platform the proposed platform is going to be approximately 10 feet off the lot line all right well I'll open the public hearing if anyone like to speak to this matter and I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board for discussion or motion madam chair like to make a motion sure so in regards to the appeal at 7409 st. Auburn Drive for the dimensional variance for the platform deck adjacent to the house side door encroaching ten feet ten feet into the side northerly side yard I move the variance be approved as requested based on information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all compliance for all demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance particularly the ordinance be unduly burdensome because this elderly or senior patient person cannot utilize their home because of the garage to the garage. So again we want our people be able to age in their place and what they're asking for is reasonable accommodations. There is no justice to join neighbors by the reason of there was already a pad there. All they're trying to do is make this level with the door so it's easier for access for less steps. The unique services of the property have been demonstrated given the fact that the garage was already that side there was already some type of structure for walking and we're just gonna add to it. This is not self-created because of the fact that again we want our seniors be able to age in place. If approved all necessary permits must be obtained within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to insulation and I'm not going to require Evergreen screenings for this. Support. I have a motion of support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, motion carries. All right, moving right along. Yeah, number 10. 68-68 Batchen Drive. Good evening. Good evening, Jason Carroll. I am the homeowner at 6-8-68 Batchen Drive. We're looking to put a six-foot fence in on the back or east side and on part of the south side of our property and then a double fence on the front. You mean a double fence or you mean a gate? I'm sorry, double gate. Yes, correct. Single fence, double gate. Is it that bad? Yeah, make sure nobody can get in, yes. Right now on the north side is a wooden fence that's around the entirety of the property next to us, and it has no screening.

  53. was already a pad there. All they're trying to do is make this level with the door so it's easier for access for less steps. The unique services of the property have been demonstrated given the fact that the garage was already that side there was already some type of structure for walking and we're just gonna add to it. This is not self-created because of the fact that again we want our seniors be able to age in place. If approved all necessary permits must be obtained within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to insulation and I'm not going to require Evergreen screenings for this. Support. I have a motion of support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, motion carries. All right, moving right along. Yeah, number 10. 68-68 Batchen Drive. Good evening. Good evening, Jason Carroll. I am the homeowner at 6-8-68 Batchen Drive. We're looking to put a six-foot fence in on the back or east side and on part of the south side of our property and then a double fence on the front. You mean a double fence or you mean a gate? I'm sorry, double gate. Yes, correct. Single fence, double gate. Is it that bad? Yeah, make sure nobody can get in, yes. Right now on the north side is a wooden fence that's around the entirety of the property next to us, and it has no screening. So we won't be putting a fence there, but we'll just be using that. And he's asked that if the double fence part be put right and flush with the end of his fence, and we've agreed to do that. Is there a reason why you selected six feet? Because his is six feet, and then we have a, and the back is mostly covered by a metal fence for the pool in our neighbor's yard. It's about five feet high because up on the grade, so between the four feet metal fence and the about a foot of grade, it's about five feet. So we wanted to match that. Any other questions from the board? Then I'll open the public hearing. Would anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a discussion or a motion. We'll have some discussion. So we've talked about the screening, right? Yes. It's been a good theme here this evening. So again, I understand your neighbor to the one side has it right along the property line, and you're going to be utilizing that, right? Correct. So, but your front does not have any screening. The front would not, but that double gate would be, no. So, but the double gate is not the full length in which you're doing. It was just a small, probably. Okay.

  54. Right now on the north side is a wooden fence that's around the entirety of the property next to us, and it has no screening. So we won't be putting a fence there, but we'll just be using that. And he's asked that if the double fence part be put right and flush with the end of his fence, and we've agreed to do that. Is there a reason why you selected six feet? Because his is six feet, and then we have a, and the back is mostly covered by a metal fence for the pool in our neighbor's yard. It's about five feet high because up on the grade, so between the four feet metal fence and the about a foot of grade, it's about five feet. So we wanted to match that. Any other questions from the board? Then I'll open the public hearing. Would anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for a discussion or a motion. We'll have some discussion. So we've talked about the screening, right? Yes. It's been a good theme here this evening. So again, I understand your neighbor to the one side has it right along the property line, and you're going to be utilizing that, right? Correct. So, but your front does not have any screening. The front would not, but that double gate would be, no. So, but the double gate is not the full length in which you're doing. It was just a small, probably. Okay. What is it, 10, 15 feet? So there is, similar to the previous people, is there ways for you to screen that front? Yeah, the half of it would be screened. We have a bush there that would attach to our house or butt up against our house. The other side, we could put evergreens or whatever would work. No problem. That sounds like a great solution. I really like that. It sounds like a popular choice. What kind of material? It's a plastic vinyl fence. It's a brown color. So to match the aesthetic? Yeah, we're trying to match what is on our neighbors without having to go to wood. Any other questions? Why is it not going completely around your property? We have three large trees on that side that we don't want to remove now, and my wife didn't want to go around them and make a weird geometry. So we don't need it to be enclosed. We would like to eventually, but at this time, we want to leave those trees. We took out about 10 trees when we moved in, and a lot of other, which is why we're asking for the fence. We just don't want to remove those three at this time because we'd have no trees left. So then why do you want the fence? Well, part of it is because when we took out all these trees, there's nothing to protect the view of the neighbor's fence, the metal fence, as well. Then we just wanted to have the other side

  55. What is it, 10, 15 feet? So there is, similar to the previous people, is there ways for you to screen that front? Yeah, the half of it would be screened. We have a bush there that would attach to our house or butt up against our house. The other side, we could put evergreens or whatever would work. No problem. That sounds like a great solution. I really like that. It sounds like a popular choice. What kind of material? It's a plastic vinyl fence. It's a brown color. So to match the aesthetic? Yeah, we're trying to match what is on our neighbors without having to go to wood. Any other questions? Why is it not going completely around your property? We have three large trees on that side that we don't want to remove now, and my wife didn't want to go around them and make a weird geometry. So we don't need it to be enclosed. We would like to eventually, but at this time, we want to leave those trees. We took out about 10 trees when we moved in, and a lot of other, which is why we're asking for the fence. We just don't want to remove those three at this time because we'd have no trees left. So then why do you want the fence? Well, part of it is because when we took out all these trees, there's nothing to protect the view of the neighbor's fence, the metal fence, as well. Then we just wanted to have the other side while we're doing it. You don't have a dog, do you? We do not. Would hedging work? It could. I mean, if it's not a continuing... Deontay. know we thought about that as well but we just prefer it at the end maybe come back and we'll close the fence off in a couple years when those trees need to come out but we just wanted to have a fence because that seems to be the a lot of people folks in the neighborhood obviously including our neighbors have similar four or six foot fences so the the struggle we have here is that we're as a township we're not big fans of fences unless there's like a safety issue or security issue or something like that dog that doesn't defend those who decided to put up fences without asking the township for permission and all that other kind of stuff we're trying to make sure that we're enforcing the township's guidelines or restrictions you know when we're asked and we appreciate you're coming to us so the idea of just like stringing up like Arbor Vitae and stuff like that to create an Arbor Vitae fence that's not an

  56. Then we just wanted to have the other side while we're doing it. You don't have a dog, do you? We do not. Would hedging work? It could. I mean, if it's not a continuing... Deontay. know we thought about that as well but we just prefer it at the end maybe come back and we'll close the fence off in a couple years when those trees need to come out but we just wanted to have a fence because that seems to be the a lot of people folks in the neighborhood obviously including our neighbors have similar four or six foot fences so the the struggle we have here is that we're as a township we're not big fans of fences unless there's like a safety issue or security issue or something like that dog that doesn't defend those who decided to put up fences without asking the township for permission and all that other kind of stuff we're trying to make sure that we're enforcing the township's guidelines or restrictions you know when we're asked and we appreciate you're coming to us so the idea of just like stringing up like Arbor Vitae and stuff like that to create an Arbor Vitae fence that's not an option I mean I'd have to go figure out the cost of it but we prefer the fence just for the kind of a clean lines of it but that would be that would be our alternative if this doesn't get approved maybe see the renderings for the type of material it's unfortunate that back fence whenever they did that didn't require screening but it's a pool and here we are yeah pool full fences have a different point you know because it's a safety issue you The station. Is it chain-linked? Yeah, the pool fence is chain-linked. The neighbor's fence is a wood privacy fence.

  57. Arbor Vitae and stuff like that to create an Arbor Vitae fence that's not an option I mean I'd have to go figure out the cost of it but we prefer the fence just for the kind of a clean lines of it but that would be that would be our alternative if this doesn't get approved maybe see the renderings for the type of material it's unfortunate that back fence whenever they did that didn't require screening but it's a pool and here we are yeah pool full fences have a different point you know because it's a safety issue you The station. Is it chain-linked? Yeah, the pool fence is chain-linked. The neighbor's fence is a wood privacy fence. Is there a picture of the open area? Do you see a picture of the one that's not going to be fenced? The area that's not going to be fenced? Which one? Oh, basically the neighbor to the one side that doesn't have a pool or a fence right now? Is that what you're looking for? It's probably over here, down the driveway side. I just don't know if it's depicted in one of those pictures I can't see. Well, I can understand matching the height of the neighbor's solid wood privacy fence. I guess I'd also throw out whether the rest of your fence... ... ... can be at the forefeet in height. Okay, so it's a solid opaque fence in the taupe color. You're going to do it in like a brown style fence? I think it's like sand colored walls. Yeah, sandstone.

  58. Is there a picture of the open area? Do you see a picture of the one that's not going to be fenced? The area that's not going to be fenced? Which one? Oh, basically the neighbor to the one side that doesn't have a pool or a fence right now? Is that what you're looking for? It's probably over here, down the driveway side. I just don't know if it's depicted in one of those pictures I can't see. Well, I can understand matching the height of the neighbor's solid wood privacy fence. I guess I'd also throw out whether the rest of your fence... ... ... can be at the forefeet in height. Okay, so it's a solid opaque fence in the taupe color. You're going to do it in like a brown style fence? I think it's like sand colored walls. Yeah, sandstone. Yeah, there's one too. Oh, all the same. Let's pass these things. Six feet tall. So, I am not a fan of fences, but I understand you want one that's right to ask for one. Is there a way for you to pull in the rear and the side in order to screen it from the neighbors? If we need to, yes. So, what type of screening would you use? Probably just RBVDs. So, the reason I ask is because of the amount we're going to push it in without going in. Again, the goal is to maximize how much space you have there, right? We have our large backyard, so we don't mind cutting a couple feet. off it's not a lot of big deal for us here pretty compromising that's very good that's why I think usually it's just being friday. I'm sorry that's why most of the people tend to just plant. The issue is going to come in is if we say this you're

  59. Yeah, there's one too. Oh, all the same. Let's pass these things. Six feet tall. So, I am not a fan of fences, but I understand you want one that's right to ask for one. Is there a way for you to pull in the rear and the side in order to screen it from the neighbors? If we need to, yes. So, what type of screening would you use? Probably just RBVDs. So, the reason I ask is because of the amount we're going to push it in without going in. Again, the goal is to maximize how much space you have there, right? We have our large backyard, so we don't mind cutting a couple feet. off it's not a lot of big deal for us here pretty compromising that's very good that's why I think usually it's just being friday. I'm sorry that's why most of the people tend to just plant. The issue is going to come in is if we say this you're gonna have to plant our variety along the back and along that side and then the front just already kind of worked that one out the one side you don't have to because your neighbor didn't have to so now you're planning plants plus the fence and it's that's why maybe the arborvitae forget the fence just take the arborvitae you'll have the privacy and wouldn't want you to spend money on a fence and the arborvitae as well. What do you think? We may if you approve and we do that we'll just do that anyway I mean maybe my wife she's not here but she might want the fence anyway and that we've just screen it so but if not we would just go with arborvitae. Do you want to wait till you can talk to your wife and come back a month? I mean to me if you're willing to approve it with the screening we can go that route and then if we choose not to and just not permit it and put it in that's fine as well so but she may want it she's from Europe so she may want the fence and the arborvitae and we'll pay for it. Well the arborvitae would be on the outside where your neighbors would get them in. As our neighbors would tell you we've done a lot to try to get all the the ugly out of the yard and things that were hanging over them.

  60. tend to just plant. The issue is going to come in is if we say this you're gonna have to plant our variety along the back and along that side and then the front just already kind of worked that one out the one side you don't have to because your neighbor didn't have to so now you're planning plants plus the fence and it's that's why maybe the arborvitae forget the fence just take the arborvitae you'll have the privacy and wouldn't want you to spend money on a fence and the arborvitae as well. What do you think? We may if you approve and we do that we'll just do that anyway I mean maybe my wife she's not here but she might want the fence anyway and that we've just screen it so but if not we would just go with arborvitae. Do you want to wait till you can talk to your wife and come back a month? I mean to me if you're willing to approve it with the screening we can go that route and then if we choose not to and just not permit it and put it in that's fine as well so but she may want it she's from Europe so she may want the fence and the arborvitae and we'll pay for it. Well the arborvitae would be on the outside where your neighbors would get them in. As our neighbors would tell you we've done a lot to try to get all the the ugly out of the yard and things that were hanging over them. diseased onto their property so we made a lot of improvements but yeah we're happy to do whatever if that's what it requires and we decide to do it we'd happy to spend the money yes all right madam chair make a motion okay with regard to the dimensional variance request for a six-foot high fence located in the northerly side yard easterly rear yard and southerly side yard I move that the variance be approved as amended the amendment is going to be that we're requiring the Carroll's to bring their fence in enough distance to plant screening around the fence and with this amendment based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome to that due to the fact that they're they are Matt they are matching up the fence with you know their neighbors and they're taking reasonable action to screen it from others view and there's no injustice to the joint neighbors by reason of that fact that they are screening it and unique circumstances of the property are being demonstrated by the fact that

  61. diseased onto their property so we made a lot of improvements but yeah we're happy to do whatever if that's what it requires and we decide to do it we'd happy to spend the money yes all right madam chair make a motion okay with regard to the dimensional variance request for a six-foot high fence located in the northerly side yard easterly rear yard and southerly side yard I move that the variance be approved as amended the amendment is going to be that we're requiring the Carroll's to bring their fence in enough distance to plant screening around the fence and with this amendment based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome to that due to the fact that they're they are Matt they are matching up the fence with you know their neighbors and they're taking reasonable action to screen it from others view and there's no injustice to the joint neighbors by reason of that fact that they are screening it and unique circumstances of the property are being demonstrated by the fact that you know it is their right to have privacy so as a result here here sorry if approved the motion must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation of the fence as i stated additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the fence from public view and shall meet or exceed the time of planting support can we discuss the motion real quick sure do we need to provide you with more clarification associated with how so saying i have enough room to plant something in front of it may be too vague okay i'm talking about which elevations need to be screened you said one elevation doesn't need to be screened so i just want to know one elevation oh what i said in the beginning right so in the motion that i made so screening the elevations that are not the neighbor that has this uh the privacy yeah so which side is that but you're not putting the fence there so he doesn't have to screen anything because there's no fence there yeah the only the only from i believe your motion states that the only screening will be the fence that he would install

  62. are screening it and unique circumstances of the property are being demonstrated by the fact that you know it is their right to have privacy so as a result here here sorry if approved the motion must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to installation of the fence as i stated additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the fence from public view and shall meet or exceed the time of planting support can we discuss the motion real quick sure do we need to provide you with more clarification associated with how so saying i have enough room to plant something in front of it may be too vague okay i'm talking about which elevations need to be screened you said one elevation doesn't need to be screened so i just want to know one elevation oh what i said in the beginning right so in the motion that i made so screening the elevations that are not the neighbor that has this uh the privacy yeah so which side is that but you're not putting the fence there so he doesn't have to screen anything because there's no fence there yeah the only the only from i believe your motion states that the only screening will be the fence that he would install that's true correct correct do we need more for the the height of the end or you're okay with that andrea perfect all right so and your motion approves it at the six foot height they're requesting yes but our varieties or some type of a planting have to be that height to exceed it is there a standard for how far apart they need to be you can't see each other okay next okay it's a lot so you got a motion dangling motion okay so now I have a motion and support all those in favor opposed I do you want to take a roll call Kolinsky yes O'Donnell yes Ford yes no Meads no Kittleman yes so motion carries 42 thank you have a good evening okay item number 11 154 North

  63. from i believe your motion states that the only screening will be the fence that he would install that's true correct correct do we need more for the the height of the end or you're okay with that andrea perfect all right so and your motion approves it at the six foot height they're requesting yes but our varieties or some type of a planting have to be that height to exceed it is there a standard for how far apart they need to be you can't see each other okay next okay it's a lot so you got a motion dangling motion okay so now I have a motion and support all those in favor opposed I do you want to take a roll call Kolinsky yes O'Donnell yes Ford yes no Meads no Kittleman yes so motion carries 42 thank you have a good evening okay item number 11 154 North Berkshire Drive it's gonna pretty much match the house the house was built in about 38 so the siding the cedar shake and the in the peak the garage doors would all be very similar to what's on the house there is a lot of landscaping around it there's a lot of trees it's pretty much not visible from anywhere except the road it would be at the top of the

  64. no Meads no Kittleman yes so motion carries 42 thank you have a good evening okay item number 11 154 North Berkshire Drive it's gonna pretty much match the house the house was built in about 38 so the siding the cedar shake and the in the peak the garage doors would all be very similar to what's on the house there is a lot of landscaping around it there's a lot of trees it's pretty much not visible from anywhere except the road it would be at the top of the driveway just yes question oh yes please so the reason you're asking for a 16-foot garage type versus a standard 14 foot is it to match that existing it would match the existing attached garage so your practical difficulty is making sure that it aesthetically looks right right that doesn't look like an eye sort of your neighbors exactly so it's very similar to what their uniform and then do you have a basement to a full basement mmm it's not under the entire house but most of the house so that'd be another reason your practical difficulty associated with exceeding that 50% ground area is you need some area for storage yeah I guess I'm great sounds good if you want to carry stuff but the garage is mainly going to be used for car storage I want to get another vehicle we have three vehicles in you're lifting garage plus a tractor plus a cat that lives in there in a heated cat house and it's just very crowded especially in the winter because all the stuff comes into the garage any other questions from the board public comment okay I'll open the public

  65. driveway just yes question oh yes please so the reason you're asking for a 16-foot garage type versus a standard 14 foot is it to match that existing it would match the existing attached garage so your practical difficulty is making sure that it aesthetically looks right right that doesn't look like an eye sort of your neighbors exactly so it's very similar to what their uniform and then do you have a basement to a full basement mmm it's not under the entire house but most of the house so that'd be another reason your practical difficulty associated with exceeding that 50% ground area is you need some area for storage yeah I guess I'm great sounds good if you want to carry stuff but the garage is mainly going to be used for car storage I want to get another vehicle we have three vehicles in you're lifting garage plus a tractor plus a cat that lives in there in a heated cat house and it's just very crowded especially in the winter because all the stuff comes into the garage any other questions from the board public comment okay I'll open the public hearing I think you have pictures of a lot too and nobody can see I'm my nearest neighbor on the east I think is 150 feet through this wooded area of planning and on the west it's like 250 feet so and behind me it's 40 feet but that's all planted with evergreen trees at this point well open the public hearing is anyone like to speak to this matter then I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board madam chair like to make a motion sure I'm gonna do the permission request in regards to the appeal at 154 North Berkshire for the accessory structure I move the request be approved as submitted based information present they have it did demonstrate compliance for section 42-76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is broken neighborhood as as cars get bigger as we get more cars people want more space for their cars second for the dimensional variance at the same address I move the variance be approved as requested based information presented did demonstrate compliance for all for all standards for practical difficulty because compliance strictly orders to be unduly burdensome because they would not be able to utilize their structure appropriately they'd have to have cars outside which be more of a burden to their neighbors

  66. any other questions from the board public comment okay I'll open the public hearing I think you have pictures of a lot too and nobody can see I'm my nearest neighbor on the east I think is 150 feet through this wooded area of planning and on the west it's like 250 feet so and behind me it's 40 feet but that's all planted with evergreen trees at this point well open the public hearing is anyone like to speak to this matter then I'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board madam chair like to make a motion sure I'm gonna do the permission request in regards to the appeal at 154 North Berkshire for the accessory structure I move the request be approved as submitted based information present they have it did demonstrate compliance for section 42-76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is broken neighborhood as as cars get bigger as we get more cars people want more space for their cars second for the dimensional variance at the same address I move the variance be approved as requested based information presented did demonstrate compliance for all for all standards for practical difficulty because compliance strictly orders to be unduly burdensome because they would not be able to utilize their structure appropriately they'd have to have cars outside which be more of a burden to their neighbors There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the reason that it's going to aesthetically match the house and have the same character and the same height, so it'll actually look appealing architecturally. The unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated, given the fact that it isn't a full basement, so we need the extra storage. And this is not self-created because, again, the fact that we need more storage area. If this is approved, all application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. A single-family affidavit will be required prior to submitting it to the township. And no screenings may be required. Support? I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Good evening. Item number 12, 203 South Glendary Road. I'm back again. Brian Kneeper, architect 259 East Frank in Birmingham. So here on South Glengarry, we have a kind of a unique neighborhood that was developed along with Bloomfield Village, but it's south of Maple, so Maple and Cranbrook. A lot of the, I believe, a lot of the existing homes there were developed more to the neighborhood standards versus the township standards.

  67. There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the reason that it's going to aesthetically match the house and have the same character and the same height, so it'll actually look appealing architecturally. The unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated, given the fact that it isn't a full basement, so we need the extra storage. And this is not self-created because, again, the fact that we need more storage area. If this is approved, all application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. A single-family affidavit will be required prior to submitting it to the township. And no screenings may be required. Support? I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Good evening. Item number 12, 203 South Glendary Road. I'm back again. Brian Kneeper, architect 259 East Frank in Birmingham. So here on South Glengarry, we have a kind of a unique neighborhood that was developed along with Bloomfield Village, but it's south of Maple, so Maple and Cranbrook. A lot of the, I believe, a lot of the existing homes there were developed more to the neighborhood standards versus the township standards. So the existing home is a single-story ranch-style home. It's existing non-conforming, so it encro... It's existing non-conforming, so it encro... which is roughly three feet to the left side так and then roughly two feet to the front in the front yard. We're proposing the second story addition. So it would be quite a practical difficulty to build the second story set in from the first floor. So structurally, you'd have the second floor that wouldn't be in line with the outer walls. And then it's just a structural nightmare to try and chase all those loads. So we're asking to be able to build straight up on top of the existing non-conforming first floor walls. So it's really just dealing with that existing position of the house, and we're hoping to gain your approval to build straight up. You're not increasing the non-conformity of the setbacks.

  68. A lot of the, I believe, a lot of the existing homes there were developed more to the neighborhood standards versus the township standards. So the existing home is a single-story ranch-style home. It's existing non-conforming, so it encro... It's existing non-conforming, so it encro... which is roughly three feet to the left side так and then roughly two feet to the front in the front yard. We're proposing the second story addition. So it would be quite a practical difficulty to build the second story set in from the first floor. So structurally, you'd have the second floor that wouldn't be in line with the outer walls. And then it's just a structural nightmare to try and chase all those loads. So we're asking to be able to build straight up on top of the existing non-conforming first floor walls. So it's really just dealing with that existing position of the house, and we're hoping to gain your approval to build straight up. You're not increasing the non-conformity of the setbacks. You're just maintaining what's there. Any questions from the board? Let me open the public hearing. Does anybody like to speak to this matter? OK, please come up to the podium and state your name and address. Hi, I'm Dick Levine. I live at 184 South Glengarry. I just... Thank you. one house over across the street uh there are numerous two-story homes that are original homes on cranberry cross in that sub uh the original home uh it's judson bradway built in 1928 is directly across the street beautiful home it's only 38 feet from the roadbed so clearly that's in violation not that it's precedent setting but it's beautiful home and this one will be i think a nice home as well i measured it it's 51 feet from the roadbed so it's kind of irrelevant as to where the lot line is i don't know where that is my home is 51 6. i've measured some other homes in the neighborhood on this street and they're also 51 feet from the roadbed so this home is actually no closer than any of the others that doesn't mean that they're all non-conforming i can't

  69. You're not increasing the non-conformity of the setbacks. You're just maintaining what's there. Any questions from the board? Let me open the public hearing. Does anybody like to speak to this matter? OK, please come up to the podium and state your name and address. Hi, I'm Dick Levine. I live at 184 South Glengarry. I just... Thank you. one house over across the street uh there are numerous two-story homes that are original homes on cranberry cross in that sub uh the original home uh it's judson bradway built in 1928 is directly across the street beautiful home it's only 38 feet from the roadbed so clearly that's in violation not that it's precedent setting but it's beautiful home and this one will be i think a nice home as well i measured it it's 51 feet from the roadbed so it's kind of irrelevant as to where the lot line is i don't know where that is my home is 51 6. i've measured some other homes in the neighborhood on this street and they're also 51 feet from the roadbed so this home is actually no closer than any of the others that doesn't mean that they're all non-conforming i can't say what happened in 1954. um but it looks like a beautiful home it's in keeping with uh the three two-story homes on this street the one directly across the street and just four and five homes uh to the north um so i endorse this um it's it's no worse than any other it's not worse than it then um it's we've been living with since 1954. uh and i think it's going to actually improve uh look at the neighborhood and the uh value of our homes thumbs up endorsement for me okay thank you yes please you I'm trying to figure out if the footings are going to support. Oh, thank you. Excuse me, sir. Would you mind sharing your name and address, please? My name is Kristal, 235 South Glengarry. I'm the associate of the house, never mind, and I'm trying to find out why there is variances

  70. is actually no closer than any of the others that doesn't mean that they're all non-conforming i can't say what happened in 1954. um but it looks like a beautiful home it's in keeping with uh the three two-story homes on this street the one directly across the street and just four and five homes uh to the north um so i endorse this um it's it's no worse than any other it's not worse than it then um it's we've been living with since 1954. uh and i think it's going to actually improve uh look at the neighborhood and the uh value of our homes thumbs up endorsement for me okay thank you yes please you I'm trying to figure out if the footings are going to support. Oh, thank you. Excuse me, sir. Would you mind sharing your name and address, please? My name is Kristal, 235 South Glengarry. I'm the associate of the house, never mind, and I'm trying to find out why there is variances that are not being approved, that why this subdivision ruling is now going to reinforce the smaller areas of the footings. How are the footings going to be increased to provide the structure of the two-footers? And there have been, uh, years, uh. the small footings you have of a one-story footing so that would be up to the building department to figure that out that's right for the building and why why don't we have the width of the uh footings available well that wouldn't be for this board we're just trying to

  71. I'm the associate of the house, never mind, and I'm trying to find out why there is variances that are not being approved, that why this subdivision ruling is now going to reinforce the smaller areas of the footings. How are the footings going to be increased to provide the structure of the two-footers? And there have been, uh, years, uh. the small footings you have of a one-story footing so that would be up to the building department to figure that out that's right for the building and why why don't we have the width of the uh footings available well that wouldn't be for this board we're just trying to determine if the the relief to the variance or relief to the zoning code on the side yard setback and the frontier setback and then and it's it's it's invariance right now the original house is invariance it's existing non-conformity right now non-conforming so he's not looking to make it any worse it's going to be the same could it be made better by i think structurally it's difficult to make it better where they're tearing it all the way down anyway excuse me they're tearing the house down directly i think that's a that's a practical difficulty and a hardship to tear the house down i think this is this is this needs to be directed towards the building department not us we're we're looking at the site and the size of the house and location not how it's being constructed because the site is in the smaller site and with a bigger house and the site is non-conforming right now correct correct you you you you you you

  72. the width of the uh footings available well that wouldn't be for this board we're just trying to determine if the the relief to the variance or relief to the zoning code on the side yard setback and the frontier setback and then and it's it's it's invariance right now the original house is invariance it's existing non-conformity right now non-conforming so he's not looking to make it any worse it's going to be the same could it be made better by i think structurally it's difficult to make it better where they're tearing it all the way down anyway excuse me they're tearing the house down directly i think that's a that's a practical difficulty and a hardship to tear the house down i think this is this is this needs to be directed towards the building department not us we're we're looking at the site and the size of the house and location not how it's being constructed because the site is in the smaller site and with a bigger house and the site is non-conforming right now correct correct you you you you you you I'm not sure if I know what you're getting at. Pardon? I wasn't quite sure if I understood what you're getting at. Are you saying that it would be more beneficial to tear the home down and start to rebuild one? Yes. Well, that's not before us right now. What is before us is building an addition, going straight up and continuing on the non-conforming that is already existing. And that's the problem. That's what's before us. Up is not a. As opposed to. The single story houses that is a part of the system. The non-conformity involves the second. Madam Chairman. I'm sorry, what did you say? Madam Chairman. Yes. He's supposed to provide what his, this is supposed to be a discussion with him, right? He's supposed to have his question and then him or the applicant can answer. So I think this became, instead of more of a, providing him facts, it became more of a, just a discussion. I don't know if it's becoming productive. True. I was wondering if there was a question buried into what he was, what he was stating. I think the end goal is that, well, how about we let him finish and then we'll go over where I think his end goal was.

  73. I'm not sure if I know what you're getting at. Pardon? I wasn't quite sure if I understood what you're getting at. Are you saying that it would be more beneficial to tear the home down and start to rebuild one? Yes. Well, that's not before us right now. What is before us is building an addition, going straight up and continuing on the non-conforming that is already existing. And that's the problem. That's what's before us. Up is not a. As opposed to. The single story houses that is a part of the system. The non-conformity involves the second. Madam Chairman. I'm sorry, what did you say? Madam Chairman. Yes. He's supposed to provide what his, this is supposed to be a discussion with him, right? He's supposed to have his question and then him or the applicant can answer. So I think this became, instead of more of a, providing him facts, it became more of a, just a discussion. I don't know if it's becoming productive. True. I was wondering if there was a question buried into what he was, what he was stating. I think the end goal is that, well, how about we let him finish and then we'll go over where I think his end goal was. Okay. Okay. I'm saying, I guess, the building that has been here for years is. I'm saying, I guess, the building that has been here for years is. Thank you. that non-conforming to the property rights of those setbacks. So now you're building on it the same way with a bigger building. Are the foundations going to be replaced for two stories? Are the foundations going to be enlarged? Okay, I see where you're going. That's not before us right now. The only thing that's before us. That's the issue. Yes, but that's not for us to. If I may. If I may. Sure. So I'm the director of the Planning, Building, and Ordinance. Yes, thank you. The request this evening is just for the setbacks. The actual construction and how it's going to be constructed will be presented as part of their building permit when they come to the building department. So why? So I can't, I don't think anybody here at the board here, it can answer the structural, that's not before us.

  74. I think the end goal is that, well, how about we let him finish and then we'll go over where I think his end goal was. Okay. Okay. I'm saying, I guess, the building that has been here for years is. I'm saying, I guess, the building that has been here for years is. Thank you. that non-conforming to the property rights of those setbacks. So now you're building on it the same way with a bigger building. Are the foundations going to be replaced for two stories? Are the foundations going to be enlarged? Okay, I see where you're going. That's not before us right now. The only thing that's before us. That's the issue. Yes, but that's not for us to. If I may. If I may. Sure. So I'm the director of the Planning, Building, and Ordinance. Yes, thank you. The request this evening is just for the setbacks. The actual construction and how it's going to be constructed will be presented as part of their building permit when they come to the building department. So why? So I can't, I don't think anybody here at the board here, it can answer the structural, that's not before us. So why should we build another building which is non-conforming to a conforming place? That is exactly why they're here this evening, is to ask for this board to allow them to do that. That's right. Correct. So it's non-conforming right now, the house. So why should you? Thank you. Thank you. uh satisfy us with a nonconforming building again well we understand where you're where you're coming from and that's something that we will consider if we wanted to thank you very much the addition on a building that's already non-conforming that's what we're going to vote on so we'll make that decision so depending on where you are building it you as going to be non-conforming or conforming to our present standards that's what the variance is for and that's what we're going to determine tonight okay thank you very much thank you

  75. So I can't, I don't think anybody here at the board here, it can answer the structural, that's not before us. So why should we build another building which is non-conforming to a conforming place? That is exactly why they're here this evening, is to ask for this board to allow them to do that. That's right. Correct. So it's non-conforming right now, the house. So why should you? Thank you. Thank you. uh satisfy us with a nonconforming building again well we understand where you're where you're coming from and that's something that we will consider if we wanted to thank you very much the addition on a building that's already non-conforming that's what we're going to vote on so we'll make that decision so depending on where you are building it you as going to be non-conforming or conforming to our present standards that's what the variance is for and that's what we're going to determine tonight okay thank you very much thank you anyone else like to speak to this matter okay i'll close the public hearing and uh i don't know if there's any yeah can you respond to those questions i would just like to say that this is a unique neighborhood unique situation and you know we're just we're just here asking to asking for my client to have the right to use his property in the way that it's always been used and to continue to use that footprint that's already there are you tearing the house down no it's just a second story so second story edition so we're not changing the foundation the foundation you're asking for a variance we're gonna remove this house and then build into the same thing that correct correct so we already have a non-conforming issue okay any other questions or comments from the board I have a comment there's a lot of these second stories getting added in your neighborhood these are smaller lots and the best use of this property is that you're not going out you're going to capture space upstairs I'm an architect

  76. anyone else like to speak to this matter okay i'll close the public hearing and uh i don't know if there's any yeah can you respond to those questions i would just like to say that this is a unique neighborhood unique situation and you know we're just we're just here asking to asking for my client to have the right to use his property in the way that it's always been used and to continue to use that footprint that's already there are you tearing the house down no it's just a second story so second story edition so we're not changing the foundation the foundation you're asking for a variance we're gonna remove this house and then build into the same thing that correct correct so we already have a non-conforming issue okay any other questions or comments from the board I have a comment there's a lot of these second stories getting added in your neighborhood these are smaller lots and the best use of this property is that you're not going out you're going to capture space upstairs I'm an architect I agree it is unduly burdensome not to line up the second floor on the first floor and I'll be happy to make a motion unless we're here to talk about the setbacks and I don't think there's any variance that's required to add second stories we're just talking about the setbacks of here yeah okay well in the matter of 203 South Glengarry Road I make a motion to approve the dimensional variance to do the second floor addition the two feet side yard and the modest front yard setback to be able to construct the home on top of the existing footings based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all the standards practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter the ordinance would not result in a second-floor construction that doesn't line up on the existing structure that is not conforming there's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors due to the fact that they are used to where these walls are currently unique circumstances from property have been demonstrated given that it

  77. you're not going out you're going to capture space upstairs I'm an architect I agree it is unduly burdensome not to line up the second floor on the first floor and I'll be happy to make a motion unless we're here to talk about the setbacks and I don't think there's any variance that's required to add second stories we're just talking about the setbacks of here yeah okay well in the matter of 203 South Glengarry Road I make a motion to approve the dimensional variance to do the second floor addition the two feet side yard and the modest front yard setback to be able to construct the home on top of the existing footings based on the information presented the applicant did demonstrate all the standards practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter the ordinance would not result in a second-floor construction that doesn't line up on the existing structure that is not conforming there's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors due to the fact that they are used to where these walls are currently unique circumstances from property have been demonstrated given that it is an existing non-conforming condition in both places and not self-created if this motion is approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year all permits must be obtained prior to construction and that's where the building department will assure the rest of the project support I have motion support all those in favor opposed motion carries thank you item number 13 7145 Parkhurst Drive my name is Kevin Kent I am the owner of 7145 Parkhurst as the drawing shows and our association has approved I would like to request the variance to move the generator or place the generator excuse me farther from the house behind the air conditioners

  78. walls are currently unique circumstances from property have been demonstrated given that it is an existing non-conforming condition in both places and not self-created if this motion is approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year all permits must be obtained prior to construction and that's where the building department will assure the rest of the project support I have motion support all those in favor opposed motion carries thank you item number 13 7145 Parkhurst Drive my name is Kevin Kent I am the owner of 7145 Parkhurst as the drawing shows and our association has approved I would like to request the variance to move the generator or place the generator excuse me farther from the house behind the air conditioners Any questions from the board? What type of enclosure are you putting these in? Arborvitaes. A whole bunch of them. Arborvitaes along the backside, and then I don't see it on the 50th floor. Unfortunately, okay, that one's a better one. If you look carefully at the approved drawing, there is no, the association does not allow for walls, so there's no wall. There will just be arborvitaes surrounding the entire mechanical area. So no fence? Correct. No walls? No footings? These are just arborvitaes that are going to meet or exceed the height of all that? Absolutely. So how high are those are you planning on putting it? Is that on there? Six feet, I presume. Six feet to ensure that everything is covered because we don't want to see them. Because if you're looking, the house will overlook it, so we want to make sure not only for our sake but for our neighbors that it's covered. So because I did get phone calls on this particular one, which is usually not when I get phone calls on. So I'm going to make sure that we screen it, which you're going to do, and make sure we're not putting up fencing or masonry walls. No, we talked to, I spoke with James, Mr. Trask, the board. Yes, there was an attempt to put the fence. No fence. Okay.

  79. Any questions from the board? What type of enclosure are you putting these in? Arborvitaes. A whole bunch of them. Arborvitaes along the backside, and then I don't see it on the 50th floor. Unfortunately, okay, that one's a better one. If you look carefully at the approved drawing, there is no, the association does not allow for walls, so there's no wall. There will just be arborvitaes surrounding the entire mechanical area. So no fence? Correct. No walls? No footings? These are just arborvitaes that are going to meet or exceed the height of all that? Absolutely. So how high are those are you planning on putting it? Is that on there? Six feet, I presume. Six feet to ensure that everything is covered because we don't want to see them. Because if you're looking, the house will overlook it, so we want to make sure not only for our sake but for our neighbors that it's covered. So because I did get phone calls on this particular one, which is usually not when I get phone calls on. So I'm going to make sure that we screen it, which you're going to do, and make sure we're not putting up fencing or masonry walls. No, we talked to, I spoke with James, Mr. Trask, the board. Yes, there was an attempt to put the fence. No fence. Okay. Great. Any other questions or comments from the board? No, I was just going to say, I can tell from the windows here, you don't have a lot of other places to put that. There is. There is no other place. Any of the associations' approval as well, I know. I live right around the corner, and it's a very unique-sized property. I believe that isn't the only place you can put it. Well, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the board. Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. In regard to the appeal at 7145 Parkhurst Drive for the dimensional variance request for ground-mounted mechanical units not immediately adjacent to the house and within existing mechanical enclosure, I move that the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the size of the lot. There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by reason that these will be thoroughly screened with arborvitae and arborvigrain plantings. Unique circumstances with this property have been demonstrated, considering that there appears to be multiple frontages and window placement that allows this to be really the only practical area, and that's not self-created.

  80. Great. Any other questions or comments from the board? No, I was just going to say, I can tell from the windows here, you don't have a lot of other places to put that. There is. There is no other place. Any of the associations' approval as well, I know. I live right around the corner, and it's a very unique-sized property. I believe that isn't the only place you can put it. Well, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the board. Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. In regard to the appeal at 7145 Parkhurst Drive for the dimensional variance request for ground-mounted mechanical units not immediately adjacent to the house and within existing mechanical enclosure, I move that the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the size of the lot. There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by reason that these will be thoroughly screened with arborvitae and arborvigrain plantings. Unique circumstances with this property have been demonstrated, considering that there appears to be multiple frontages and window placement that allows this to be really the only practical area, and that's not self-created. So, if approved, the motion must include application for unnecessary permits to be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation of the ground-mounted mechanical units. Additional evergreens plantings shall be required to completely screen the ground-mounted mechanical units from public view, and must meet or exceed the height of the units at the time of planting. It appears that you are drawing... there has that addressed. Yes, ma'am. I have a motion to support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. Good evening. Okay, item number 14, 6210 Westmore Road. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Mike Yeager. I am from Skilled Forum Architects. We are located at 460 Hilton Road in Ferndale. I'm here representing the homeowners at 6210 Westmore Road. We are seeking a permission request for a hot tub with wood steps that is shielded by a privacy fence enclosure.

  81. Unique circumstances with this property have been demonstrated, considering that there appears to be multiple frontages and window placement that allows this to be really the only practical area, and that's not self-created. So, if approved, the motion must include application for unnecessary permits to be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation of the ground-mounted mechanical units. Additional evergreens plantings shall be required to completely screen the ground-mounted mechanical units from public view, and must meet or exceed the height of the units at the time of planting. It appears that you are drawing... there has that addressed. Yes, ma'am. I have a motion to support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. Good evening. Okay, item number 14, 6210 Westmore Road. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Mike Yeager. I am from Skilled Forum Architects. We are located at 460 Hilton Road in Ferndale. I'm here representing the homeowners at 6210 Westmore Road. We are seeking a permission request for a hot tub with wood steps that is shielded by a privacy fence enclosure. The hot tub in the enclosure will be located within the side and rear yard setback and hidden with evergreen deciduous landscaping. We have also received written support from the neighbors. Excuse me. Excuse me, gentlemen in the back, would you mind taking your conversation? Absolutely. Yes. Thank you. Okay, sorry about that. All right. That's it. That's all we got. Any questions from the board? So you said evergreen deciduous, but actually it would be evergreen, which is non-deciduous. All right, I'm sorry. Yeah, evergreen. Yeah, right. Evergreens. Your screening plan looks like it does it great to the north. Does it have anything to the front? There's existing? Yep, there are existing evergreens that you can see them on the curve there, right there, yep. And that's enough so that we don't see it from the road? You won't see it from the road, correct. Okay, because that will be in the motion and if we have to we plan more.

  82. We are seeking a permission request for a hot tub with wood steps that is shielded by a privacy fence enclosure. The hot tub in the enclosure will be located within the side and rear yard setback and hidden with evergreen deciduous landscaping. We have also received written support from the neighbors. Excuse me. Excuse me, gentlemen in the back, would you mind taking your conversation? Absolutely. Yes. Thank you. Okay, sorry about that. All right. That's it. That's all we got. Any questions from the board? So you said evergreen deciduous, but actually it would be evergreen, which is non-deciduous. All right, I'm sorry. Yeah, evergreen. Yeah, right. Evergreens. Your screening plan looks like it does it great to the north. Does it have anything to the front? There's existing? Yep, there are existing evergreens that you can see them on the curve there, right there, yep. And that's enough so that we don't see it from the road? You won't see it from the road, correct. Okay, because that will be in the motion and if we have to we plan more. Right. Fair? Right. Yeah, you can see it in the photo on the left there, yep. Okay, thank you. Yep. Any other questions? All right, well, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board. Madam Chair, I can make a motion. Sure. In regards to the appeal at 6210 Westmore Road, for the accessory structure, I may request to be approved and submitted. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards. Because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood. As many homes in the neighborhood have a similar accessory building or hot tub. It's screened properly and it's within setbacks. On the left of the accessory structure, as many of the Mass. It comes to the And it's definitely harmonious with the other properties in the neighborhood. If approved, the motion must include an application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. An additional agreement of plantings may be required to screen the hot tub from public view. It must meet or exceed the height of the hot tub at the time of planting.

  83. Right. Fair? Right. Yeah, you can see it in the photo on the left there, yep. Okay, thank you. Yep. Any other questions? All right, well, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board. Madam Chair, I can make a motion. Sure. In regards to the appeal at 6210 Westmore Road, for the accessory structure, I may request to be approved and submitted. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards. Because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood. As many homes in the neighborhood have a similar accessory building or hot tub. It's screened properly and it's within setbacks. On the left of the accessory structure, as many of the Mass. It comes to the And it's definitely harmonious with the other properties in the neighborhood. If approved, the motion must include an application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. An additional agreement of plantings may be required to screen the hot tub from public view. It must meet or exceed the height of the hot tub at the time of planting. Support. I have a motion to support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Item number 15. 3788 Crest Lake Drive. Good evening. Good evening. I'm Chris Gongora, architect. I reside at 1548 Atkinson Street in Detroit, and I'm here on behalf of the property owners of 3788 Crest Lake. And we are asking for permission to construct a detached garage in the rear of the existing home. So the proposed structure and the existing detached garage account for 49% of the square footage of the primary residence. The structure accounts for 17% of the required rear yard. The structure will be used as a garage for vehicles that are rarely used for a private car collection. The structure of the public services are needed for a private car on cars. Thank you.

  84. It must meet or exceed the height of the hot tub at the time of planting. Support. I have a motion to support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Item number 15. 3788 Crest Lake Drive. Good evening. Good evening. I'm Chris Gongora, architect. I reside at 1548 Atkinson Street in Detroit, and I'm here on behalf of the property owners of 3788 Crest Lake. And we are asking for permission to construct a detached garage in the rear of the existing home. So the proposed structure and the existing detached garage account for 49% of the square footage of the primary residence. The structure accounts for 17% of the required rear yard. The structure will be used as a garage for vehicles that are rarely used for a private car collection. The structure of the public services are needed for a private car on cars. Thank you. Can you tell us what the cars are? Maybe the owner can speak to that. Any questions from the board? It reminded me of Ferris Bueller's Day Off when I looked at it. I don't know if that's where we're going. I saw it and I was like, that reminds me of the car, so that's the only comment I have. Well then, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Yes. My name's Gary Jablonski, I'm the owner at 3802 Crest Lake Drive. I'm here with my wife, Margaret Skinner, who's the co-owner of the property. We have the property immediately south. We share the property line where the garage is going to be located. We have three primary concerns with the plan the way it's currently documented. We'd just like to see the board hopefully take some action on. We want to make sure the unique topography along our shared property line is clear and understood.

  85. Can you tell us what the cars are? Maybe the owner can speak to that. Any questions from the board? It reminded me of Ferris Bueller's Day Off when I looked at it. I don't know if that's where we're going. I saw it and I was like, that reminds me of the car, so that's the only comment I have. Well then, I'll open the public hearing. Anyone like to speak to this matter? Yes. My name's Gary Jablonski, I'm the owner at 3802 Crest Lake Drive. I'm here with my wife, Margaret Skinner, who's the co-owner of the property. We have the property immediately south. We share the property line where the garage is going to be located. We have three primary concerns with the plan the way it's currently documented. We'd just like to see the board hopefully take some action on. We want to make sure the unique topography along our shared property line is clear and understood. The garage will be built on an elevated bluff that's going to cause it to look down onto our yard and it's going to be a pretty imposing structure in our landscape. OK, very nice. That's good. Thank you. The same topography raises concerns for us with water drainage, so we want to make very sure that a water management plan is adequately addressed. And the screening proposal that's in the proposal right now we don't think is adequate to screen the building from us. The proposed location of the building, it's on an 11-foot high bluff. That's a 13-foot tall building, so it's 24 feet above our backyard. It's 24 feet above our finished floor. It's actually five feet over the two-story section of our house. Just unfortunate topography, but it is going to sit very high. Exhibit 1, we just provided a topographic map showing it. It's the same topography that was in the deck. It's just a little bit easier to read. Exhibit 2, I don't know if you can bring up the photographs there in the permission request, the one that looks south. I just reproduced it in the handout that I gave you, but the view at the bottom right there is a reasonable representation of where the garage is going to sit and how it's going to look down on our house.

  86. We want to make sure the unique topography along our shared property line is clear and understood. The garage will be built on an elevated bluff that's going to cause it to look down onto our yard and it's going to be a pretty imposing structure in our landscape. OK, very nice. That's good. Thank you. The same topography raises concerns for us with water drainage, so we want to make very sure that a water management plan is adequately addressed. And the screening proposal that's in the proposal right now we don't think is adequate to screen the building from us. The proposed location of the building, it's on an 11-foot high bluff. That's a 13-foot tall building, so it's 24 feet above our backyard. It's 24 feet above our finished floor. It's actually five feet over the two-story section of our house. Just unfortunate topography, but it is going to sit very high. Exhibit 1, we just provided a topographic map showing it. It's the same topography that was in the deck. It's just a little bit easier to read. Exhibit 2, I don't know if you can bring up the photographs there in the permission request, the one that looks south. I just reproduced it in the handout that I gave you, but the view at the bottom right there is a reasonable representation of where the garage is going to sit and how it's going to look down on our house. And then just, if we seem triggered by this, Exhibit 3 I gave you is just a panoramic photo of our backyard. It's the reason we bought the property about 18 months ago. We searched for years to find a heavily wooded property. We cannot see a man-made structure in our backyard. This will be the first one. The... The architecture of the building is gonna magnify its impact on our backyard. We appreciate it matches the house. We wouldn't tell the owners to do anything different. But this question can be answered later. We actually, by looking at the plan view and these elevations, we think the elevations are mislabeled. We think the bottom right is the elevation we think is gonna face us, but maybe the architect can confirm that after. But it's going to be a stark, almost white, taupe I think was the color, rectangle sitting on that hill looking down on our property. And then just quickly, water management. Again, it's sitting on a bluff. Water runs downhill. It actually can't go anywhere good

  87. I just reproduced it in the handout that I gave you, but the view at the bottom right there is a reasonable representation of where the garage is going to sit and how it's going to look down on our house. And then just, if we seem triggered by this, Exhibit 3 I gave you is just a panoramic photo of our backyard. It's the reason we bought the property about 18 months ago. We searched for years to find a heavily wooded property. We cannot see a man-made structure in our backyard. This will be the first one. The... The architecture of the building is gonna magnify its impact on our backyard. We appreciate it matches the house. We wouldn't tell the owners to do anything different. But this question can be answered later. We actually, by looking at the plan view and these elevations, we think the elevations are mislabeled. We think the bottom right is the elevation we think is gonna face us, but maybe the architect can confirm that after. But it's going to be a stark, almost white, taupe I think was the color, rectangle sitting on that hill looking down on our property. And then just quickly, water management. Again, it's sitting on a bluff. Water runs downhill. It actually can't go anywhere good if you look at the topography map. It either goes into our neighbor's house or our house. And so we wanna be really sure that a water management plan is thoughtfully considered, ideally before we approve this. We're also concerned, the bluff where this is going, if you look at the topography, there's a four foot difference between the entrance to the garage and the back of the garage. And so it isn't if in the elevations and maybe they're just placeholders, the elevations suggest a flat foundation and a flat grade. That's not actually what the grade is. And so we don't know if grading or retaining walls are part of the plan to make that flat so that the building can be built the way that the elevations show it. If that's the case, we also have drainage concerns, just to make sure that after grading or whatever happens back there, that we don't have a water issue. And then lastly, evergreen screening. The plan shows a proposal for six-foot tall evergreen screening. We don't think, given what I've said about the impact of this on our view, we don't think that's adequate. We'd appreciate the building being completely screened from us, 13 feet tall. We'd appreciate if the screening on the side was staggered. Again, a wall of evergreens in that backyard isn't going to look natural either.

  88. It actually can't go anywhere good if you look at the topography map. It either goes into our neighbor's house or our house. And so we wanna be really sure that a water management plan is thoughtfully considered, ideally before we approve this. We're also concerned, the bluff where this is going, if you look at the topography, there's a four foot difference between the entrance to the garage and the back of the garage. And so it isn't if in the elevations and maybe they're just placeholders, the elevations suggest a flat foundation and a flat grade. That's not actually what the grade is. And so we don't know if grading or retaining walls are part of the plan to make that flat so that the building can be built the way that the elevations show it. If that's the case, we also have drainage concerns, just to make sure that after grading or whatever happens back there, that we don't have a water issue. And then lastly, evergreen screening. The plan shows a proposal for six-foot tall evergreen screening. We don't think, given what I've said about the impact of this on our view, we don't think that's adequate. We'd appreciate the building being completely screened from us, 13 feet tall. We'd appreciate if the screening on the side was staggered. Again, a wall of evergreens in that backyard isn't going to look natural either. And we're concerned a little bit about the long-term use of the building. So we can't guarantee. We appreciate that the owner is saying it's a car collection and he's not going to use it very often. The next owner of this house could use it every single day. So I don't know if we have a recourse down the road other than to ask now that the screening continue down the driveway. We're building a new primary first floor bedroom so that we can retire in this house. And it's on this side of the property. So if that driveway were used daily, we'd have lights and noise coming into our primary suite. So I appreciate our neighbor has a passionate hobby. We think it's cool too. But we have a passion trying to build a home we can retire in on that beautiful property. And so we'd just like some accommodation. Any questions for me? Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak to this matter? Okay, then I'll close the public hearing. Do you want to address any of those concerns? Yeah. We'll gladly work with the neighbors to make sure that the screening is adequate.

  89. Again, a wall of evergreens in that backyard isn't going to look natural either. And we're concerned a little bit about the long-term use of the building. So we can't guarantee. We appreciate that the owner is saying it's a car collection and he's not going to use it very often. The next owner of this house could use it every single day. So I don't know if we have a recourse down the road other than to ask now that the screening continue down the driveway. We're building a new primary first floor bedroom so that we can retire in this house. And it's on this side of the property. So if that driveway were used daily, we'd have lights and noise coming into our primary suite. So I appreciate our neighbor has a passionate hobby. We think it's cool too. But we have a passion trying to build a home we can retire in on that beautiful property. And so we'd just like some accommodation. Any questions for me? Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak to this matter? Okay, then I'll close the public hearing. Do you want to address any of those concerns? Yeah. We'll gladly work with the neighbors to make sure that the screening is adequate. We can provide taller screening. We can provide denser screening, but we definitely want to maintain good relationships with the new neighbors. I'm sorry, the water management. We will do some grading to level the area. There'll be minor cut and some fill. But in terms of the drainage, I mean, we're not going to create more drainage or slope than there is currently. Any other questions? Yeah, I do have a question. Well, I mean, I sort of understand, again, the engineering department, or building department, when they go in, will be requiring water management relative to the driveway? Yeah, I mean, there's a driveway permit that's required, and then there will also be a building permit. And as part of the building permit review, we would be looking at some sort of a drainage management plan, if you want to make that part of your condition, to ensure that a specialized drainage plan is considered for this, based on public comment, that would be for the board. But this will be...

  90. We'll gladly work with the neighbors to make sure that the screening is adequate. We can provide taller screening. We can provide denser screening, but we definitely want to maintain good relationships with the new neighbors. I'm sorry, the water management. We will do some grading to level the area. There'll be minor cut and some fill. But in terms of the drainage, I mean, we're not going to create more drainage or slope than there is currently. Any other questions? Yeah, I do have a question. Well, I mean, I sort of understand, again, the engineering department, or building department, when they go in, will be requiring water management relative to the driveway? Yeah, I mean, there's a driveway permit that's required, and then there will also be a building permit. And as part of the building permit review, we would be looking at some sort of a drainage management plan, if you want to make that part of your condition, to ensure that a specialized drainage plan is considered for this, based on public comment, that would be for the board. But this will be... thoroughly reviewed by the building department as if it if it were approved it would be a reviewed in accordance with building code in our township requirements I think they may have a point here about your sloping grades that your you know elevations whatever the next sheet is towards the corner it is it's a taupe colored khaki fiber cement material there shouldn't be any exposed foundation but there will be the fiber cement which is a lighter color than say a masonry not after the grading are you gonna take down most of the hill and make it flat are you gonna build into the hill there's gonna be some cut into the hill and then some fill in front of the hill to make it flat please plan on building towards the hill and the hill will go into it and then you'll have

  91. thoroughly reviewed by the building department as if it if it were approved it would be a reviewed in accordance with building code in our township requirements I think they may have a point here about your sloping grades that your you know elevations whatever the next sheet is towards the corner it is it's a taupe colored khaki fiber cement material there shouldn't be any exposed foundation but there will be the fiber cement which is a lighter color than say a masonry not after the grading are you gonna take down most of the hill and make it flat are you gonna build into the hill there's gonna be some cut into the hill and then some fill in front of the hill to make it flat please plan on building towards the hill and the hill will go into it and then you'll have part of foundation to it which will actually make the building feel smaller because there's from the rear it'll appear smaller correct so again so we are cutting into the hill to build a structure and then the screening plan I'm not saying to your westernly neighbor is Bloomfield Hills so I'm not saying that that's one of my problems but a blue Phil Hills resident isn't here to complain to the south is a resident who is here talking about that so do you think we could put staggered style trees eight to ten feet if we're looking up and we have a tree you get more breath with that as well correct yeah we're willing to do that okay were you planning on having a plot plan or a civil engineer plot this out was that not part of the original plan for the landscaping or for the for the grading our contractor will be doing the the grading plan the contractor so you were planning on hiring a separate engineer to create a plot plan and or like a survey no okay yeah which I know was not necessarily required by the township but I wanted to see if you were already planning on doing that anyways so would not be an additional requirement we're adopted that's why I asked okay any other questions

  92. on building towards the hill and the hill will go into it and then you'll have part of foundation to it which will actually make the building feel smaller because there's from the rear it'll appear smaller correct so again so we are cutting into the hill to build a structure and then the screening plan I'm not saying to your westernly neighbor is Bloomfield Hills so I'm not saying that that's one of my problems but a blue Phil Hills resident isn't here to complain to the south is a resident who is here talking about that so do you think we could put staggered style trees eight to ten feet if we're looking up and we have a tree you get more breath with that as well correct yeah we're willing to do that okay were you planning on having a plot plan or a civil engineer plot this out was that not part of the original plan for the landscaping or for the for the grading our contractor will be doing the the grading plan the contractor so you were planning on hiring a separate engineer to create a plot plan and or like a survey no okay yeah which I know was not necessarily required by the township but I wanted to see if you were already planning on doing that anyways so would not be an additional requirement we're adopted that's why I asked okay any other questions so based on the neighborhood feedback they want to make sure water management was taken care of the building department reviews it and ensures there is no water issues and if they are they'll ask for additional documentation associated with it that's outside of our realm but we could ask for it if we wanted to we've mitigated the screening plan with additional screening which they said they would do and they do staggered to ensure it he's off the property line by 16 the 4 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Thank you. he's not asking for any variances he's asking just for permission to do something that by and somewhat right he's allowed to so it sounds like from the applicants perspective he's tried to accommodate and mitigate all the concerns from his direct neighbor anybody else have any thought of civil engineering would take care of the water drainage issue if you ask for a civil engineering plan yes or we could have the building department just do their normal review of it and if they notice that topographical changes are too close to it when they go out for whether it's footings or any type of inspections they would then require additional because again they don't want water issues going on and again if you put trees and those

  93. adopted that's why I asked okay any other questions so based on the neighborhood feedback they want to make sure water management was taken care of the building department reviews it and ensures there is no water issues and if they are they'll ask for additional documentation associated with it that's outside of our realm but we could ask for it if we wanted to we've mitigated the screening plan with additional screening which they said they would do and they do staggered to ensure it he's off the property line by 16 the 4 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Thank you. he's not asking for any variances he's asking just for permission to do something that by and somewhat right he's allowed to so it sounds like from the applicants perspective he's tried to accommodate and mitigate all the concerns from his direct neighbor anybody else have any thought of civil engineering would take care of the water drainage issue if you ask for a civil engineering plan yes or we could have the building department just do their normal review of it and if they notice that topographical changes are too close to it when they go out for whether it's footings or any type of inspections they would then require additional because again they don't want water issues going on and again if you put trees and those type of plantings there they will be adding additional landscaping in order to build that up which will also change in that grading which necessarily wasn't on this plan because we're not they didn't provide us a topographical plan the applicant they provided us just an overview which is all that's required first memory did the resident ask for you to extend the screening further up the driveway and do you have a response for that correct and we're willing to do it to maintain good relationships with the neighbor I'll make it I'll make a motion anybody else have anything record you So, in regards to the permission request at 3788 Crest Lake Drive, I move the request be approved as amended. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood as having secondary garages or detached structures for these is something that a lot of neighbors have, especially in this area. If this motion is approved, all application for necessary permits must be made within one year and all applications must be obtained prior to construction.

  94. again they don't want water issues going on and again if you put trees and those type of plantings there they will be adding additional landscaping in order to build that up which will also change in that grading which necessarily wasn't on this plan because we're not they didn't provide us a topographical plan the applicant they provided us just an overview which is all that's required first memory did the resident ask for you to extend the screening further up the driveway and do you have a response for that correct and we're willing to do it to maintain good relationships with the neighbor I'll make it I'll make a motion anybody else have anything record you So, in regards to the permission request at 3788 Crest Lake Drive, I move the request be approved as amended. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood as having secondary garages or detached structures for these is something that a lot of neighbors have, especially in this area. If this motion is approved, all application for necessary permits must be made within one year and all applications must be obtained prior to construction. A single-family affidavit is required to be submitted to the township at that time. We are going to require 8 foot along the southern property line and I would like a staggered tree along the structure. And then after that, you and the neighbor can work for 10, we'll say 10 more feet along the driveway side to soften that. After that, that's neighbor stuff. We're not going to require it. Support. Okay, I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. Okay. Item number 16. 1206 Cedar Home Lane. It's not the garage. It's not the garage. It was quite like a blast . Good evening. Thank you for listening to us tonight.

  95. If this motion is approved, all application for necessary permits must be made within one year and all applications must be obtained prior to construction. A single-family affidavit is required to be submitted to the township at that time. We are going to require 8 foot along the southern property line and I would like a staggered tree along the structure. And then after that, you and the neighbor can work for 10, we'll say 10 more feet along the driveway side to soften that. After that, that's neighbor stuff. We're not going to require it. Support. Okay, I have a motion in support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. Okay. Item number 16. 1206 Cedar Home Lane. It's not the garage. It's not the garage. It was quite like a blast . Good evening. Thank you for listening to us tonight. I am Alexander Adler with Adler Associates at 1335 Park Drive. I'm here with Chris, the homeowner, and Daniel with Life Construction. He's working on the project. We're asking that we're requesting approval of dimensional variance of the existing structure located at 1206 Sierra Home Lane, Coonfield Hills. The required dimensional standards for this property is 35 feet in the rear property line. However, the existing structure that was built in 1969 measures approximately 22 feet 9 1⁄4 inches from that line. So the existing structure is nonconforming. We created and remodeled the house to conform to the existing ordinances. So if you go back to the original slide, you'll see the blue and the yellow areas are the additions, and those do not encroach into the setbacks, either the front or the side or the rear setbacks. During construction... During construction...

  96. I am Alexander Adler with Adler Associates at 1335 Park Drive. I'm here with Chris, the homeowner, and Daniel with Life Construction. He's working on the project. We're asking that we're requesting approval of dimensional variance of the existing structure located at 1206 Sierra Home Lane, Coonfield Hills. The required dimensional standards for this property is 35 feet in the rear property line. However, the existing structure that was built in 1969 measures approximately 22 feet 9 1⁄4 inches from that line. So the existing structure is nonconforming. We created and remodeled the house to conform to the existing ordinances. So if you go back to the original slide, you'll see the blue and the yellow areas are the additions, and those do not encroach into the setbacks, either the front or the side or the rear setbacks. During construction... During construction... was discovered that the exterior walls were structurally inefficient which we hadn't known until construction started so now we're here before you today to ask to bring the existing structure into conformity with a 12 foot I think 12 foot is an application but I think we need 12 foot 6 inches to be safe so you guys are doing remodel on this and as you found extensive other problems with it now you have to make repairs those outside walls and replace them that's because of that now we're touching those outside walls which caused you to come here that's correct so in normal this would just be a nonconforming house that had the addition so all you're trying to do is repair what was already done correct so not adding to it all your additions are actually in the appropriate setbacks correct that's correct and the nonconformity is not being increased it's not being increased and then you're just repairing what was existing or what was there and then you have a stop work order because when we found it we can't work anymore correct we have a problem in fact that it's 12 6 now with the notice

  97. was discovered that the exterior walls were structurally inefficient which we hadn't known until construction started so now we're here before you today to ask to bring the existing structure into conformity with a 12 foot I think 12 foot is an application but I think we need 12 foot 6 inches to be safe so you guys are doing remodel on this and as you found extensive other problems with it now you have to make repairs those outside walls and replace them that's because of that now we're touching those outside walls which caused you to come here that's correct so in normal this would just be a nonconforming house that had the addition so all you're trying to do is repair what was already done correct so not adding to it all your additions are actually in the appropriate setbacks correct that's correct and the nonconformity is not being increased it's not being increased and then you're just repairing what was existing or what was there and then you have a stop work order because when we found it we can't work anymore correct we have a problem in fact that it's 12 6 now with the notice if you ask for extra we didn't notice the 6 so can you make the 12 work yes and according the information the information we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor um we didn't have access to and actually what he's showing as the non-conforming part or the closest to the rear set line is actually 20 feet 27 feet point 27.21 feet which is actually farther than we had thought so as long as you have a survey the surveyor is putting his that's that's his stamp right that's his liability not yours right that's right i'm not a gambling person i agree with you that's the way i look at it that's what you pay that money for so okay great good all right well then i'll open the public hearing i don't think i did that um anyone like to speak to this matter then i'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board madam chairman i'd like to make a motion please in regards to the appeal at 1206 cedar home lane for the setback existing foundation encroaching 12 feet into the 35 foot northerly setback we're going to give you the

  98. because when we found it we can't work anymore correct we have a problem in fact that it's 12 6 now with the notice if you ask for extra we didn't notice the 6 so can you make the 12 work yes and according the information the information we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor we had from our surveyor um we didn't have access to and actually what he's showing as the non-conforming part or the closest to the rear set line is actually 20 feet 27 feet point 27.21 feet which is actually farther than we had thought so as long as you have a survey the surveyor is putting his that's that's his stamp right that's his liability not yours right that's right i'm not a gambling person i agree with you that's the way i look at it that's what you pay that money for so okay great good all right well then i'll open the public hearing i don't think i did that um anyone like to speak to this matter then i'll close the public hearing bring it back to the board madam chairman i'd like to make a motion please in regards to the appeal at 1206 cedar home lane for the setback existing foundation encroaching 12 feet into the 35 foot northerly setback we're going to give you the full 12 feet even if you're that gives you your play um i move the variance be approved as requested based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all stands for practical difficulty because compliance with strictly the ordinance will be unduly burdensome because again this is already a non-conforming um home all we're doing is repairing it and the encroachment is on the golf course there is no injustice to you join neighbors by the reason of it already was pre-existing and all we're doing is repairing it to make sure it's structurally intact the experience of the property had been demonstrated given the fact that we originally even going to touch this it became a fact and being good builders and good developers we wanted to make sure it was good for the homeowner which is a great thing this is not self-created because of the fact that we weren't planning on doing this anyways so if this is approved all necessary permits must be made we're going to say one year or we're going to say five days because it's already being constructed i would say five days yeah permits must be within five days which will get you guys working which is what i think everybody wants yeah and um all permits must be obtained prior to us starting that construction again second okay i have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed okay good luck thank you thank you have a good evening okay last but not least item number 17. may i'm sure i'd like to make it known that i know this applicant but i can uh i can fairly look at

  99. full 12 feet even if you're that gives you your play um i move the variance be approved as requested based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all stands for practical difficulty because compliance with strictly the ordinance will be unduly burdensome because again this is already a non-conforming um home all we're doing is repairing it and the encroachment is on the golf course there is no injustice to you join neighbors by the reason of it already was pre-existing and all we're doing is repairing it to make sure it's structurally intact the experience of the property had been demonstrated given the fact that we originally even going to touch this it became a fact and being good builders and good developers we wanted to make sure it was good for the homeowner which is a great thing this is not self-created because of the fact that we weren't planning on doing this anyways so if this is approved all necessary permits must be made we're going to say one year or we're going to say five days because it's already being constructed i would say five days yeah permits must be within five days which will get you guys working which is what i think everybody wants yeah and um all permits must be obtained prior to us starting that construction again second okay i have a motion in support all those in favor aye opposed okay good luck thank you thank you have a good evening okay last but not least item number 17. may i'm sure i'd like to make it known that i know this applicant but i can uh i can fairly look at this appeal and uh be non-biased okay great thank you yeah 5560 lane lake road good evening members of zoning board of appeals my name is roger yon and i'm with yoni and architects 1133 long lake road bloomfield i'm here with my client and his wife deb and steve rosenthal uh and uh and their neighbor carolyn and jim balance have also attended in support um the variance request in front of you is actually triggered during the building plan review for their new home um all elements of the plans were you But during the review process, it was determined that the gallery or, thank you, mudroom hallway between the garage, which is attached by a conditioned space both below and above, there's a basement below that, was, to my surprise, honestly, deemed as, through policy, a breezeway. And breezeways, by definition, are typically open on the sides and connect incidental spaces subordinate to the primary residence.

  100. may i'm sure i'd like to make it known that i know this applicant but i can uh i can fairly look at this appeal and uh be non-biased okay great thank you yeah 5560 lane lake road good evening members of zoning board of appeals my name is roger yon and i'm with yoni and architects 1133 long lake road bloomfield i'm here with my client and his wife deb and steve rosenthal uh and uh and their neighbor carolyn and jim balance have also attended in support um the variance request in front of you is actually triggered during the building plan review for their new home um all elements of the plans were you But during the review process, it was determined that the gallery or, thank you, mudroom hallway between the garage, which is attached by a conditioned space both below and above, there's a basement below that, was, to my surprise, honestly, deemed as, through policy, a breezeway. And breezeways, by definition, are typically open on the sides and connect incidental spaces subordinate to the primary residence. So the purposes of the variance are not necessarily for an attached accessory structure, or a detached accessory structure, forgive me. This is an attached accessory structure. Part of the review process brought up elements from a design standpoint that are actually very common in the township, not only with our firm, Young and Young Architects, but other architects that are using changing forms and overlapping roof planes, not only to make the architecture more interesting, but also to create interest and experiential movement throughout the spaces. That is intentional. And so, in fact... In fact... The neighbors, Carolyn and Jim Bellinson, directly to north, their home has a similar design element. And again, several homes that not only we have designed, but perhaps one that you have as well, have these features that are intended to break the house apart, provide more light and air and movement between buildings,

  101. And breezeways, by definition, are typically open on the sides and connect incidental spaces subordinate to the primary residence. So the purposes of the variance are not necessarily for an attached accessory structure, or a detached accessory structure, forgive me. This is an attached accessory structure. Part of the review process brought up elements from a design standpoint that are actually very common in the township, not only with our firm, Young and Young Architects, but other architects that are using changing forms and overlapping roof planes, not only to make the architecture more interesting, but also to create interest and experiential movement throughout the spaces. That is intentional. And so, in fact... In fact... The neighbors, Carolyn and Jim Bellinson, directly to north, their home has a similar design element. And again, several homes that not only we have designed, but perhaps one that you have as well, have these features that are intended to break the house apart, provide more light and air and movement between buildings, allow visibility for the neighbors' enjoyment into courtyards and landscape areas. So this is something that we feel is important to architecture and enhances the experience not only for the homeowners but for the community. We did meet with the building officials on a couple occasions just to walk through and understand what their concerns were, and they suggested that we come and meet with you because this is something that is somewhat of a permission request, if you will. It's not something that's defined in the ordinance. It's more of a policy, and so we just felt that it was important for you all to weigh in on this. So again, the... Thank you for pulling that up, Tom. The shaded area on the right, that is a glass floor-to-ceiling wall on two sides, and you don't see the basement below, but there's a full basement below that space from the four-car garage to the residence. It's about 19 feet in length and about 5 feet in width. To the right, the orange reflects a higher flat roof area. So suggestions were made to change things.

  102. provide more light and air and movement between buildings, allow visibility for the neighbors' enjoyment into courtyards and landscape areas. So this is something that we feel is important to architecture and enhances the experience not only for the homeowners but for the community. We did meet with the building officials on a couple occasions just to walk through and understand what their concerns were, and they suggested that we come and meet with you because this is something that is somewhat of a permission request, if you will. It's not something that's defined in the ordinance. It's more of a policy, and so we just felt that it was important for you all to weigh in on this. So again, the... Thank you for pulling that up, Tom. The shaded area on the right, that is a glass floor-to-ceiling wall on two sides, and you don't see the basement below, but there's a full basement below that space from the four-car garage to the residence. It's about 19 feet in length and about 5 feet in width. To the right, the orange reflects a higher flat roof area. So suggestions were made to change things. or to return the table, but we stand firm in principle of design that this makes sense and it's appropriate and will not be objectionable to the neighbors or provide anything negative, I guess. That's all I have to say. Tom, if you could pull the renders up, that would be really helpful. In the renders, I think it helps because sometimes in plan, thank you, you can see the forms of the residents, and so areas that were intentionally raised and create more dynamicism between the forms of the building are intentional. This is one complete thought, and I do respect the townships and even in some communities such as Foxcroft that do not allow breezeways, something that perhaps you buy from a TV guide in the 60s where you had a ranch with a detached building and you have a small aluminum structure that is maybe not aesthetically pleasing and appropriate for the community. This is anything but that. To continue, not to belabor the accessory building events, but this is really part of the discussion for tonight, and we wanted to know how you felt about it, and we feel it's appropriate.

  103. or to return the table, but we stand firm in principle of design that this makes sense and it's appropriate and will not be objectionable to the neighbors or provide anything negative, I guess. That's all I have to say. Tom, if you could pull the renders up, that would be really helpful. In the renders, I think it helps because sometimes in plan, thank you, you can see the forms of the residents, and so areas that were intentionally raised and create more dynamicism between the forms of the building are intentional. This is one complete thought, and I do respect the townships and even in some communities such as Foxcroft that do not allow breezeways, something that perhaps you buy from a TV guide in the 60s where you had a ranch with a detached building and you have a small aluminum structure that is maybe not aesthetically pleasing and appropriate for the community. This is anything but that. To continue, not to belabor the accessory building events, but this is really part of the discussion for tonight, and we wanted to know how you felt about it, and we feel it's appropriate. We feel it's an architecturally sensitive, responsible solution to the design and request your approval for. this questions you mentioned is there a garage question is there a basement under the garage no there's not the basement of the breezeway correct okay i thought you said there was a basement of the garage no it's just really peaked my interest so before us there's a permission request for the detached garage and a dimensional variance for its being located in the front yard is this really a detached garage it's a new house well and so in a new house you can have an attached garage on the front of your house um so what is the nature of attachment is what we're talking about here correct if that breezeway was the full width of the garage it'd be attached it'd be filled with the laundry room or whatever um and appreciating your description of light and air and the glass and it being narrower um i mean i think there's other cities that would call that

  104. and we wanted to know how you felt about it, and we feel it's appropriate. We feel it's an architecturally sensitive, responsible solution to the design and request your approval for. this questions you mentioned is there a garage question is there a basement under the garage no there's not the basement of the breezeway correct okay i thought you said there was a basement of the garage no it's just really peaked my interest so before us there's a permission request for the detached garage and a dimensional variance for its being located in the front yard is this really a detached garage it's a new house well and so in a new house you can have an attached garage on the front of your house um so what is the nature of attachment is what we're talking about here correct if that breezeway was the full width of the garage it'd be attached it'd be filled with the laundry room or whatever um and appreciating your description of light and air and the glass and it being narrower um i mean i think there's other cities that would call that an attached garage there's lots of other cities that would consider that an attached garage so are we even voting on a variance request for the front yard or is this an interpretation it's they're not asking for interpretation the request is that this is considered because the interpretation has been made that this isn't attached based on the design you're looking at this as a detached structure roger however hand is stating that in his design aesthetic, he does believe it's part of the house, understandable. However, our past practice and interpretation is that the way that this is designed is that you're treating this as if it's a detached garage. However, understandably, from a design perspective and from the homeowner's perspective, that's not how they see it. But in accordance with the way that we review what is considered an attachment to a garage, this is not. And this is probably going to be a further conversation that will be had in the future. But at this time, this is how we've always treated this type of an attachment for a garage. When the attachment's narrower than the actual garage. Correct. So they are requesting both the dimensional variance and a permission request.

  105. air and the glass and it being narrower um i mean i think there's other cities that would call that an attached garage there's lots of other cities that would consider that an attached garage so are we even voting on a variance request for the front yard or is this an interpretation it's they're not asking for interpretation the request is that this is considered because the interpretation has been made that this isn't attached based on the design you're looking at this as a detached structure roger however hand is stating that in his design aesthetic, he does believe it's part of the house, understandable. However, our past practice and interpretation is that the way that this is designed is that you're treating this as if it's a detached garage. However, understandably, from a design perspective and from the homeowner's perspective, that's not how they see it. But in accordance with the way that we review what is considered an attachment to a garage, this is not. And this is probably going to be a further conversation that will be had in the future. But at this time, this is how we've always treated this type of an attachment for a garage. When the attachment's narrower than the actual garage. Correct. So they are requesting both the dimensional variance and a permission request. I have a question. Is it heated? It is heated. I'm sorry. Steve Rosenthal, the homeowner with my wife, Deb. It is heated, conditioned. Basement connects to the basement in the main house. It was defined to me as an accessory structure because it didn't have two conditions. One was a common roof line with the house, right? And or a common wall with the house. I think there's a common wall with the house, right? I think the garage has a common wall with the house. And a common roof line seems extraordinarily arbitrary to me in design, but you know. could be that could be an aesthetic conversation later so we're here asking for i think that um the hardship is we wouldn't normally be here because it's attached they're putting us in a harvest saying no it's not attached an accessory structure it's in the front yard so you're right why am i here because we were told we had to come here because it became accessory even though it to us it was not thank you just like you're asking i assume there's a door from the garage to the mud room is there another door on the other side of the mud room to the jim main

  106. So they are requesting both the dimensional variance and a permission request. I have a question. Is it heated? It is heated. I'm sorry. Steve Rosenthal, the homeowner with my wife, Deb. It is heated, conditioned. Basement connects to the basement in the main house. It was defined to me as an accessory structure because it didn't have two conditions. One was a common roof line with the house, right? And or a common wall with the house. I think there's a common wall with the house, right? I think the garage has a common wall with the house. And a common roof line seems extraordinarily arbitrary to me in design, but you know. could be that could be an aesthetic conversation later so we're here asking for i think that um the hardship is we wouldn't normally be here because it's attached they're putting us in a harvest saying no it's not attached an accessory structure it's in the front yard so you're right why am i here because we were told we had to come here because it became accessory even though it to us it was not thank you just like you're asking i assume there's a door from the garage to the mud room is there another door on the other side of the mud room to the jim main house or is that just open no it's open it's just the floor plan's open the mud back house there mud rooms there there's yeah i'm ready for public comment okay all right open the public hearing does anyone like to speak to this matter hi jim bellinson um 5532 directly next door um it'll be right next to our house we think it's beautiful we love it i your point is a great one there's no door it's part of the house there's no door going into it it's just open to the house so um we we're happy to have it we think it's a beautiful design that's all wonderful anyone else like to speak to this matter you Okay, then I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board. This obviously seems to be a great home, so I think that we can work with the township guidelines. With that, I'd like to make a motion. Please. So in regards to the appeal at 5560 Lane Lake Court for the accessory structure,

  107. the garage to the mud room is there another door on the other side of the mud room to the jim main house or is that just open no it's open it's just the floor plan's open the mud back house there mud rooms there there's yeah i'm ready for public comment okay all right open the public hearing does anyone like to speak to this matter hi jim bellinson um 5532 directly next door um it'll be right next to our house we think it's beautiful we love it i your point is a great one there's no door it's part of the house there's no door going into it it's just open to the house so um we we're happy to have it we think it's a beautiful design that's all wonderful anyone else like to speak to this matter you Okay, then I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board. This obviously seems to be a great home, so I think that we can work with the township guidelines. With that, I'd like to make a motion. Please. So in regards to the appeal at 5560 Lane Lake Court for the accessory structure, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards. Because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate in the neighborhood as people have a garage for their home. So we're going to call this an accessory structure. You don't have a main garage for your house, so you need to have a garage for your house. So there's an accessory structure. People have to have a garage for their home, and a garage of this size, and the scale makes sense. In regards to the dimensional variance, because the garage is 22 feet high, I move the variance be approved as requested. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with strictly the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because, again, from the height perspective, the garage needs to have a similar scale and height against the home, or else architecturally it will look different. That is appropriate. There is no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the reason of, again, not only the architectural elements make sense, they are here supporting it. Unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given the fact that this is an architectural element, and there is a different interpretation of how that works. That is a unique circumstance, and this is not self-created because it is a difference of opinion on how this is created. If this motion is approved, all applications... that would not beDING

  108. So in regards to the appeal at 5560 Lane Lake Court for the accessory structure, I move the request be approved as submitted. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards. Because the use of this accessory structure is appropriate in the neighborhood as people have a garage for their home. So we're going to call this an accessory structure. You don't have a main garage for your house, so you need to have a garage for your house. So there's an accessory structure. People have to have a garage for their home, and a garage of this size, and the scale makes sense. In regards to the dimensional variance, because the garage is 22 feet high, I move the variance be approved as requested. Based on information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with strictly the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because, again, from the height perspective, the garage needs to have a similar scale and height against the home, or else architecturally it will look different. That is appropriate. There is no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the reason of, again, not only the architectural elements make sense, they are here supporting it. Unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given the fact that this is an architectural element, and there is a different interpretation of how that works. That is a unique circumstance, and this is not self-created because it is a difference of opinion on how this is created. If this motion is approved, all applications... that would not beDING for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. And a single-family affidavit will be required for your garage. Support. We have a motion of support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Have a good evening. If I could bring something to your attention, it's just come up through the development of the design that Stephen and the general contractor and our firm have thought that one alternative would be to flip the house, meaning the garage that you see presently on the south property line would be literally flipped to the north. And that was done purely to reduce the amount of cut and fill required. It just seemed to make more sense from a practical standpoint, and I have brought site plans. George and Chris Fox felt that it was important that if that were to occur, that it should be brought to your attention, it doesn't affect, we're not asking for any variances, it doesn't affect anything from a planning or permitting standpoint. It actually reduces the amount of grading required, so it's benefit because by doing that, the residence follows the natural contours of the property more closely. And they just, Chris and George said,

  109. for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. And a single-family affidavit will be required for your garage. Support. We have a motion of support. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Have a good evening. If I could bring something to your attention, it's just come up through the development of the design that Stephen and the general contractor and our firm have thought that one alternative would be to flip the house, meaning the garage that you see presently on the south property line would be literally flipped to the north. And that was done purely to reduce the amount of cut and fill required. It just seemed to make more sense from a practical standpoint, and I have brought site plans. George and Chris Fox felt that it was important that if that were to occur, that it should be brought to your attention, it doesn't affect, we're not asking for any variances, it doesn't affect anything from a planning or permitting standpoint. It actually reduces the amount of grading required, so it's benefit because by doing that, the residence follows the natural contours of the property more closely. And they just, Chris and George said, make sure you bring it up so you guys know. So right now, the motion was already done. I wish you'd have said it before. Well, that's what I said before we were talking. I was like, we've got to interrupt. I think to be more accurate is... ... entire house is being flipped. It's not the garage. It's a mirror image of the house. Exactly. Everything is open. Exactly. So it's a complete flip of the house. The high side is the north side. And when I was out there a few weeks ago, I looked at it and it just made way more sense, right? To follow the grade because it's a walkout. So when I brought it up and it was already in, we talked about just bringing it up. And it's not because it changes anything. We're going to be submitting a new grading plan. The house is the same. The connection is the same. It's no different. It's the same house. For a garage that's 22 feet high, which would be the exact same. Yeah. And the fact that you're going to have a detached garage. So I don't believe it changes where it is in the property. Do we need a second motion to say the actual orientation on the street? What we're proving is the same, though. Correct. That is correct. I think the record can reflect that, you know, like Chris has stated, the emotions have been made for the issues that are required to be responded. Two by the board. And it was already noticed appropriately. There were appropriate notice for a detached structure and the height of the structure. Right. So it didn't matter about where it orientated on the lot as long as we meet the setbacks, which you guys are going to do anyways.

  110. And they just, Chris and George said, make sure you bring it up so you guys know. So right now, the motion was already done. I wish you'd have said it before. Well, that's what I said before we were talking. I was like, we've got to interrupt. I think to be more accurate is... ... entire house is being flipped. It's not the garage. It's a mirror image of the house. Exactly. Everything is open. Exactly. So it's a complete flip of the house. The high side is the north side. And when I was out there a few weeks ago, I looked at it and it just made way more sense, right? To follow the grade because it's a walkout. So when I brought it up and it was already in, we talked about just bringing it up. And it's not because it changes anything. We're going to be submitting a new grading plan. The house is the same. The connection is the same. It's no different. It's the same house. For a garage that's 22 feet high, which would be the exact same. Yeah. And the fact that you're going to have a detached garage. So I don't believe it changes where it is in the property. Do we need a second motion to say the actual orientation on the street? What we're proving is the same, though. Correct. That is correct. I think the record can reflect that, you know, like Chris has stated, the emotions have been made for the issues that are required to be responded. Two by the board. And it was already noticed appropriately. There were appropriate notice for a detached structure and the height of the structure. Right. So it didn't matter about where it orientated on the lot as long as we meet the setbacks, which you guys are going to do anyways. That's correct. That's correct. So what's been mentioned, I think, will be coordinated with the billing department. Absolutely. And I know George was ready to let the permit go, but it sounds like there's some changes coming. George is well aware of everything that's occurring. Thank you for working with the township. And George will. I'm. I'm sure you and George will be talking soon. He'll be in the office on Thursday, but he's all aware that you guys are waiting for this, but now it sounds like there's a change. We love words. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. I'm sorry? When is that? July 14th. 14th. I make a motion to adjourn. Okay. Okay, we have a motion to adjourn. Let's close out the meeting for one moment. All those in favor say aye. Aye. I have a quick question for staff. I don't know if it belongs in the meeting, but Andrea. Well, let's let him ask the question. I think we just did a motion to adjourn. Adjourn, yes. Okay, yeah. It's just a question. We can talk to them. Did you have a question? Yes. One time. That's good. Thank you.

  111. Two by the board. And it was already noticed appropriately. There were appropriate notice for a detached structure and the height of the structure. Right. So it didn't matter about where it orientated on the lot as long as we meet the setbacks, which you guys are going to do anyways. That's correct. That's correct. So what's been mentioned, I think, will be coordinated with the billing department. Absolutely. And I know George was ready to let the permit go, but it sounds like there's some changes coming. George is well aware of everything that's occurring. Thank you for working with the township. And George will. I'm. I'm sure you and George will be talking soon. He'll be in the office on Thursday, but he's all aware that you guys are waiting for this, but now it sounds like there's a change. We love words. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. I'm sorry? When is that? July 14th. 14th. I make a motion to adjourn. Okay. Okay, we have a motion to adjourn. Let's close out the meeting for one moment. All those in favor say aye. Aye. I have a quick question for staff. I don't know if it belongs in the meeting, but Andrea. Well, let's let him ask the question. I think we just did a motion to adjourn. Adjourn, yes. Okay, yeah. It's just a question. We can talk to them. Did you have a question? Yes. One time. That's good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You