Zoning Board Of Appeals Wednesday, February 11, 2026 · 113 min

Bloomfield Township Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting on February 10, 2026

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The city council meeting discussed various zoning and variance requests, including shed installations, loading dock modifications, and accessory structure approvals, with some requests approved and others pending.

Approved variance for loading dock square footage at 42931 Woodward Avenue.
Granted request for a pergola installation with conditions.
Approved variance for mechanical equipment setback at 5185 Long Meadow Road.
Approved variance for a stone wall in a front yard at 311 East Bradford Road.
Approved dimensional variance for fence height and location at 1200 Lone Pine Road.

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Good evening and welcome. It's 630, so we'll get started by standing and singing the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Everyone should know that we have a few changes to the agenda. Item 1T has been postponed. That's 3894 Peabody. Item 1P as in Paul, which is a tax ID parcel 1917-276-016, also has been postponed. Item 3P as in Paul, 4955 Stone Lake, also has been postponed. And item 11350 Fremont has been postponed. So those will not be heard this evening. So if you're here for those items, you are excused. As a brief introduction, the Zoning Board of Appeals is a seven-member quasi-judicial body appointed by the Bloomfield Township Board of Trustees per the Michigan Zoning Board of Appeals. Zoning Enabling Act. Matters pending before the Zoning Board of Appeals are decided on a case-by-case basis. Any appeal of a decision made by the Zoning Board of Appeals is subject to circuit court review. Each case will be called separately in the order shown on tonight's agenda. There will be an opportunity for public comment at one point during each case. All persons wishing to comment will be asked to provide their name and address at the podium. Address your comments to the board and not the applicant or other members of the public. Given the number of appeals tonight, please make your comments brief. Comments by the Neighborhood Association will be considered as part of the factual information presented to the board, but those comments are not the determining factor for approval or denial. Please confine comments to the specific request before the board. For a request to be successful, an affirmative vote of at least four members
So if you're here for those items, you are excused. As a brief introduction, the Zoning Board of Appeals is a seven-member quasi-judicial body appointed by the Bloomfield Township Board of Trustees per the Michigan Zoning Board of Appeals. Zoning Enabling Act. Matters pending before the Zoning Board of Appeals are decided on a case-by-case basis. Any appeal of a decision made by the Zoning Board of Appeals is subject to circuit court review. Each case will be called separately in the order shown on tonight's agenda. There will be an opportunity for public comment at one point during each case. All persons wishing to comment will be asked to provide their name and address at the podium. Address your comments to the board and not the applicant or other members of the public. Given the number of appeals tonight, please make your comments brief. Comments by the Neighborhood Association will be considered as part of the factual information presented to the board, but those comments are not the determining factor for approval or denial. Please confine comments to the specific request before the board. For a request to be successful, an affirmative vote of at least four members present is required. We hope this provides a better understanding of what you can expect at tonight's meeting. So let's take attendance. So noted. Okay, and now I need a motion to approve the minutes of January 13th, 2026. So moved. Support. So I have a motion of support. All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The minutes are approved. So let's call the first item, which is item 2, P as in Paul, 320, Devenbrook. Is the applicant ready? How you doing? Good evening. We're doing well. We hope you are as well. So give us a why do you need a variance? He just has a lot of things. No, we have tools and equipment for the yard.
before the board. For a request to be successful, an affirmative vote of at least four members present is required. We hope this provides a better understanding of what you can expect at tonight's meeting. So let's take attendance. So noted. Okay, and now I need a motion to approve the minutes of January 13th, 2026. So moved. Support. So I have a motion of support. All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The minutes are approved. So let's call the first item, which is item 2, P as in Paul, 320, Devenbrook. Is the applicant ready? How you doing? Good evening. We're doing well. We hope you are as well. So give us a why do you need a variance? He just has a lot of things. No, we have tools and equipment for the yard. Can you give us your name and address for the board? Oh, yep. He asked a question. I was just about it. Lena and Adam. Adam Hassler. For 3200 Devenbrook Drive. So we just want to keep the property looking nice and neat for our neighbors. We don't want things outside kind of being messy and showing. So we thought we would like to request a shed put in our backyard to store equipment, tools, tractor, snowblower, those types of things. So that we have our garages on the smaller side. So there's just not a lot of room in there for all of that. And we certainly don't want to keep it out for all the neighbors to look at. And why did you pick that location? What was the... We actually, we asked what the best location would be and they just said 16 feet from the neighbors. 100%. 100%. 100%. and 30 feet from the watershed and it's actually there's a lot of trees in that area which we thought it could be more hidden and discreet versus on the opposite side of the yard where it's more open and there are not a lot of trees so it would be very hidden and I guess less you know it'd be less it would be more obscure to our to our neighbors so that's not such a huge structure in the middle of nowhere and I think you had a picture you're going to be planting some evergreen yeah screens okay surrounding the three sides and then
No, we have tools and equipment for the yard. Can you give us your name and address for the board? Oh, yep. He asked a question. I was just about it. Lena and Adam. Adam Hassler. For 3200 Devenbrook Drive. So we just want to keep the property looking nice and neat for our neighbors. We don't want things outside kind of being messy and showing. So we thought we would like to request a shed put in our backyard to store equipment, tools, tractor, snowblower, those types of things. So that we have our garages on the smaller side. So there's just not a lot of room in there for all of that. And we certainly don't want to keep it out for all the neighbors to look at. And why did you pick that location? What was the... We actually, we asked what the best location would be and they just said 16 feet from the neighbors. 100%. 100%. 100%. and 30 feet from the watershed and it's actually there's a lot of trees in that area which we thought it could be more hidden and discreet versus on the opposite side of the yard where it's more open and there are not a lot of trees so it would be very hidden and I guess less you know it'd be less it would be more obscure to our to our neighbors so that's not such a huge structure in the middle of nowhere and I think you had a picture you're going to be planting some evergreen yeah screens okay surrounding the three sides and then the front our doors so we obviously can't block that the entrance but yeah evergreens would be surrounding the three sides 14 feet high and spaced far enough apart where there it's covering the structure so you understand the requirement the ordinance is that it has to be screened from public view so that vegetation is going to be high enough that we're not gonna be able to see it and close enough that we're not gonna be able to see it correct okay any other questions from the board okay I'll listen to the public anyone would like to comment on this the shed okay we'll close the public bring it back mr. chairman I would be willing to make a motion that would be great okay in regard to the appeal at 3200 Devon Brook Drive regarding the request for the shed I move the request be approved as submitted based on the information presented the application application did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 7.6 standards because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood, given the popularity of structures like that in that particular area. If the motion is approved, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year,
planting some evergreen yeah screens okay surrounding the three sides and then the front our doors so we obviously can't block that the entrance but yeah evergreens would be surrounding the three sides 14 feet high and spaced far enough apart where there it's covering the structure so you understand the requirement the ordinance is that it has to be screened from public view so that vegetation is going to be high enough that we're not gonna be able to see it and close enough that we're not gonna be able to see it correct okay any other questions from the board okay I'll listen to the public anyone would like to comment on this the shed okay we'll close the public bring it back mr. chairman I would be willing to make a motion that would be great okay in regard to the appeal at 3200 Devon Brook Drive regarding the request for the shed I move the request be approved as submitted based on the information presented the application application did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 7.6 standards because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood, given the popularity of structures like that in that particular area. If the motion is approved, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. And it is understood that evergreen plantings are required to completely screen the shed from public view 365 days a year, must meet or exceed the height of the shed at the time of planting. Support. So I have a motion of support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request for 300. Thank you. So calling item 4P, 42931 Woodward. Hello. My name is Steve Savaggio. I'm here tonight with my son, Steven Savaggio. We are partners at the new location called Nourished by Western Market, located at 42931 Woodward Avenue. The address is so new to me, I haven't memorized it yet. Although I do know our current location at 447 West Nine Mile in downtown Ferndale. We've been there for 43 years. Ups and downs, and currently we are doing very well. So we are glad to be in Bloomfield Township, and we're excited about the location. So you ask, why do we want a variance? The variance calls for...
If the motion is approved, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, and all permits must be obtained prior to installation. And it is understood that evergreen plantings are required to completely screen the shed from public view 365 days a year, must meet or exceed the height of the shed at the time of planting. Support. So I have a motion of support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request for 300. Thank you. So calling item 4P, 42931 Woodward. Hello. My name is Steve Savaggio. I'm here tonight with my son, Steven Savaggio. We are partners at the new location called Nourished by Western Market, located at 42931 Woodward Avenue. The address is so new to me, I haven't memorized it yet. Although I do know our current location at 447 West Nine Mile in downtown Ferndale. We've been there for 43 years. Ups and downs, and currently we are doing very well. So we are glad to be in Bloomfield Township, and we're excited about the location. So you ask, why do we want a variance? The variance calls for... a certain amount of square feet for loading areas well originally when this building was built i suppose sometimes in the early 50s it was a grocery store and then it turned into a right aid and didn't really have to accommodate for big for big trucks i brought this as a prop this is my grandson's truck this is what the trucks used to look like in the 50s currently uh this is like a 40-foot truck currently trucks are 53 foot long plus a tractor does not accommodate this site and we what we plan on doing is demoing this whole thing that's there and rebuilding it to accommodate long trucks so that they can pull in safely stay away from the public view and also uh navigate so that they can get in and get out without disturbing the the main source of the the shopping center so uh we don't do we have a picture of what you're gonna put in uh yeah there's a drawing here i can can i go up there sure sure so the yellow part is what is called the loading area the solid white part is to accommodate a longer truck so what we did we had to move everything back a little bit removing some of what would have been
a certain amount of square feet for loading areas well originally when this building was built i suppose sometimes in the early 50s it was a grocery store and then it turned into a right aid and didn't really have to accommodate for big for big trucks i brought this as a prop this is my grandson's truck this is what the trucks used to look like in the 50s currently uh this is like a 40-foot truck currently trucks are 53 foot long plus a tractor does not accommodate this site and we what we plan on doing is demoing this whole thing that's there and rebuilding it to accommodate long trucks so that they can pull in safely stay away from the public view and also uh navigate so that they can get in and get out without disturbing the the main source of the the shopping center so uh we don't do we have a picture of what you're gonna put in uh yeah there's a drawing here i can can i go up there sure sure so the yellow part is what is called the loading area the solid white part is to accommodate a longer truck so what we did we had to move everything back a little bit removing some of what would have been loading area to accommodate long trucks so they can get in it's super important because most of the real big grocery companies that's what they travel with so you say why not ask for smaller truck of course we do and we do get a lot of smaller trucks so it's not really a problem but when you do get a large truck you have to accommodate for it in 2026 and so that's why because this property is you know I don't know the exact year we've built but it needs to be and we're working with a you know existing site it's not like we build a brand new otherwise we would try to accommodate the ordinance but this case what we're asking is for a modest reduction in the size of the loading area and honestly for me trying to calculate the actual required space I couldn't do it based on I didn't know if you counted the truck area or if you don't count truck area but according to this I think what you know I'm unclear and so I had asked for maybe Andrea's or somebody that helped me understand the total amount of square feet required but ours is like it's close it's within a hundred square feet so yeah so I see that the it's now much more narrow than the old loading area looks like honestly
truck so what we did we had to move everything back a little bit removing some of what would have been loading area to accommodate long trucks so they can get in it's super important because most of the real big grocery companies that's what they travel with so you say why not ask for smaller truck of course we do and we do get a lot of smaller trucks so it's not really a problem but when you do get a large truck you have to accommodate for it in 2026 and so that's why because this property is you know I don't know the exact year we've built but it needs to be and we're working with a you know existing site it's not like we build a brand new otherwise we would try to accommodate the ordinance but this case what we're asking is for a modest reduction in the size of the loading area and honestly for me trying to calculate the actual required space I couldn't do it based on I didn't know if you counted the truck area or if you don't count truck area but according to this I think what you know I'm unclear and so I had asked for maybe Andrea's or somebody that helped me understand the total amount of square feet required but ours is like it's close it's within a hundred square feet so yeah so I see that the it's now much more narrow than the old loading area looks like honestly it's uh so if you look at this is the same this is the proposed area with truck about but it goes back farther and what we've lost is part of this we actually move these doors back this way so that we can accommodate this truck coming back probably so what stuff does comes things come off with like a pallet jack and it gets loaded right into the building and then some stuff is actually put along the side here till we can get it into it was kind of like a staging area so the new the new layout can you go back to the plan and the new plan accommodates that and these were all brought up by our experts that we hired we hired two different design companies and both of them agree this is the best way to keep people safe trucks out of the way and manage the area okay and then we had quite an interesting discussion at the last meeting with the group that thought it was on the agenda and I just want to ask this so that's in the record again is there will be no trash that's you know we've already our own trash can we're not using the center trash can and I'll point it out the area here at the very left hand side of this
that the it's now much more narrow than the old loading area looks like honestly it's uh so if you look at this is the same this is the proposed area with truck about but it goes back farther and what we've lost is part of this we actually move these doors back this way so that we can accommodate this truck coming back probably so what stuff does comes things come off with like a pallet jack and it gets loaded right into the building and then some stuff is actually put along the side here till we can get it into it was kind of like a staging area so the new the new layout can you go back to the plan and the new plan accommodates that and these were all brought up by our experts that we hired we hired two different design companies and both of them agree this is the best way to keep people safe trucks out of the way and manage the area okay and then we had quite an interesting discussion at the last meeting with the group that thought it was on the agenda and I just want to ask this so that's in the record again is there will be no trash that's you know we've already our own trash can we're not using the center trash can and I'll point it out the area here at the very left hand side of this plan is for a receptacle and you take and you load garbage from the inside of the building there's a chute that goes into the can it's a compact very compact trash it's picked up quite regularly so it's not a open trash area it's all concealed it's basically indoor it's not in the building but there's an access to get in it from the building any other questions from the board I'd like to open this to the public anyone who would like to comment on this come on yeah I remember you from the last meeting welcome back okay your name and address my name is Donald Bradley I live at two six two three Colonial Way my home is directly behind this dock that he's proposing to put in that area where he is planning on putting the dock will be much busier he's talking about larger trucks large trucks deliver at 4 a.m. in delivery and they're the sequential one leaves one comes in my biggest concern
using the center trash can and I'll point it out the area here at the very left hand side of this plan is for a receptacle and you take and you load garbage from the inside of the building there's a chute that goes into the can it's a compact very compact trash it's picked up quite regularly so it's not a open trash area it's all concealed it's basically indoor it's not in the building but there's an access to get in it from the building any other questions from the board I'd like to open this to the public anyone who would like to comment on this come on yeah I remember you from the last meeting welcome back okay your name and address my name is Donald Bradley I live at two six two three Colonial Way my home is directly behind this dock that he's proposing to put in that area where he is planning on putting the dock will be much busier he's talking about larger trucks large trucks deliver at 4 a.m. in delivery and they're the sequential one leaves one comes in my biggest concern is not only the traffic but even the wintertime when you have to clear that lot there will be shoveling and plowing commercial means and that's back of my house that's my bedroom my kitchen looks out over that we're about 15 feet above that mandated six-foot wall that separates his area from where we live and as a about five homes that's going to be impacted by directly by this market the other concern we have is line of sight we see that area all the time we're concerned about that we're also concerned about future possible rodents he mentioned staging garbage or trash of food so animals and varmints will come around we're concerned about the traffic that's going to be coming in and out that area right now there's no traffic those stores that's there like jimmy john's have little baskets of trash they take out the dumpsters are exposed but and it's slightly higher than that wall that's a transition line between the property line and the in the area where he's proposing so our concern is about is um the line of sight
delivery and they're the sequential one leaves one comes in my biggest concern is not only the traffic but even the wintertime when you have to clear that lot there will be shoveling and plowing commercial means and that's back of my house that's my bedroom my kitchen looks out over that we're about 15 feet above that mandated six-foot wall that separates his area from where we live and as a about five homes that's going to be impacted by directly by this market the other concern we have is line of sight we see that area all the time we're concerned about that we're also concerned about future possible rodents he mentioned staging garbage or trash of food so animals and varmints will come around we're concerned about the traffic that's going to be coming in and out that area right now there's no traffic those stores that's there like jimmy john's have little baskets of trash they take out the dumpsters are exposed but and it's slightly higher than that wall that's a transition line between the property line and the in the area where he's proposing so our concern is about is um the line of sight we're concerned about lighting issues how much lighting he's going to have back there noise that's the big thing noise pollution trucks makes lots of noise these big trucks make noise and we're very concerned about that my deck is right in the backyard and sit my family sits out there the kids play in the yard and um so we want to know what do they propose for the community what do they propose to do for these issues that i'm bringing up okay so he'll he'll respond to us uh so he would do that so so wait uh the public hearing isn't uh isn't closed yet so do you have anything else did you want so no uh so uh when if you're done then we'll bring up the next person our president of our state is here i was wondering i was asking do you want to comment jim oh no if you want to comment you have to come up to the podium give us your name and address okay so you're done then right you only have one person of time okay thanks so much for your comments so you have to give us your name and address my name is tom westman i'm the uh president of the colonial states uh property
line and the in the area where he's proposing so our concern is about is um the line of sight we're concerned about lighting issues how much lighting he's going to have back there noise that's the big thing noise pollution trucks makes lots of noise these big trucks make noise and we're very concerned about that my deck is right in the backyard and sit my family sits out there the kids play in the yard and um so we want to know what do they propose for the community what do they propose to do for these issues that i'm bringing up okay so he'll he'll respond to us uh so he would do that so so wait uh the public hearing isn't uh isn't closed yet so do you have anything else did you want so no uh so uh when if you're done then we'll bring up the next person our president of our state is here i was wondering i was asking do you want to comment jim oh no if you want to comment you have to come up to the podium give us your name and address okay so you're done then right you only have one person of time okay thanks so much for your comments so you have to give us your name and address my name is tom westman i'm the uh president of the colonial states uh property Association and Don and I have been talking for some time about the fact that the currently and for the past several years the property has been pretty much quiet in the rear yard with trucks truck wells activity Don had it right groceries are delivered in the morning the only thing that I think that could be done to obscure his line of sight would be to build a taller retaining wall between the property and the back of the residence that's my piece okay so just so you know we're not deciding the use here the only thing that we're deciding is a request for a variance from the size of the loading dock so that's the only thing that's in front of the zoning board we're not there's no issue in front of us regarding the use it's just the size of the loading dock so if you want to come up and respond would you like me to address sorry wait a minute is there anyone else who wants to speak so I'll close the public hearing thank you Carol now you can come up okay would you like me to address the concerns one
Association and Don and I have been talking for some time about the fact that the currently and for the past several years the property has been pretty much quiet in the rear yard with trucks truck wells activity Don had it right groceries are delivered in the morning the only thing that I think that could be done to obscure his line of sight would be to build a taller retaining wall between the property and the back of the residence that's my piece okay so just so you know we're not deciding the use here the only thing that we're deciding is a request for a variance from the size of the loading dock so that's the only thing that's in front of the zoning board we're not there's no issue in front of us regarding the use it's just the size of the loading dock so if you want to come up and respond would you like me to address sorry wait a minute is there anyone else who wants to speak so I'll close the public hearing thank you Carol now you can come up okay would you like me to address the concerns one by one I'm not sure how the format or two just thematically I would yeah so what I can remember from the gentleman's concerns and quite valid we understand that at one time or another there was grocery store and a drug store there for quite a while now i'm assuming almost two years there's been nothing there so comparatively to where it would be active with a fresh grocer that's what we are we're a specialty grocer providing fresh goods to the community we feel that we can keep things contained very well our delivery hours are from seven to three that's what our receiving hours so we don't get the trucks at four o'clock we do get some employees that do start at 5 a.m in the store but we don't receive so we have strict uh receiving hours and we schedule our delivery so if a truck says hey can i come at five we tell them no you can't because we won't receive it we also don't take late deliveries we we will push them to the next day and those things do happen matter of fact it happened this past weekend or this past week with the weather we get stuff out of warehouses that come from all over the country uh they they cross dock but they come either out of chicago or out of the east coast and couldn't get by the roads were terrible so we had to push deliveries out um the concerns about the uh the open trash we don't have open trash and we keep everything
you Carol now you can come up okay would you like me to address the concerns one by one I'm not sure how the format or two just thematically I would yeah so what I can remember from the gentleman's concerns and quite valid we understand that at one time or another there was grocery store and a drug store there for quite a while now i'm assuming almost two years there's been nothing there so comparatively to where it would be active with a fresh grocer that's what we are we're a specialty grocer providing fresh goods to the community we feel that we can keep things contained very well our delivery hours are from seven to three that's what our receiving hours so we don't get the trucks at four o'clock we do get some employees that do start at 5 a.m in the store but we don't receive so we have strict uh receiving hours and we schedule our delivery so if a truck says hey can i come at five we tell them no you can't because we won't receive it we also don't take late deliveries we we will push them to the next day and those things do happen matter of fact it happened this past weekend or this past week with the weather we get stuff out of warehouses that come from all over the country uh they they cross dock but they come either out of chicago or out of the east coast and couldn't get by the roads were terrible so we had to push deliveries out um the concerns about the uh the open trash we don't have open trash and we keep everything contained within the building and within the can um we're really respectful owners we have would love the opportunity to speak to the um to the subdivision committee or organization to explain to them what we're doing who we are and what we do um we're very careful and it's a valid concern and i understand it completely but um i might need some help in answering the rest of the questions i don't know all the questions that were lodged covered most of the themes and that was a nice you know so you have representatives there you you could talk to them tonight after the meeting yeah i'd be happy to do that exchange contact information as a matter of fact we brought somebody we knew there was uh the past meeting there were some concerns we brought the concerns to the developer and i'm pretty sure they reached out and talked to the association i we had a meeting with them today and um they understand it and they're they have had some problems with their what i would call the community canvas there it's a compactor it was mechanical they had some i would say things that were open to your concerns and i understand what he's talking about but i want to make clear that that's not us it's not what we do and we're very careful about because we know it's
deliveries out um the concerns about the uh the open trash we don't have open trash and we keep everything contained within the building and within the can um we're really respectful owners we have would love the opportunity to speak to the um to the subdivision committee or organization to explain to them what we're doing who we are and what we do um we're very careful and it's a valid concern and i understand it completely but um i might need some help in answering the rest of the questions i don't know all the questions that were lodged covered most of the themes and that was a nice you know so you have representatives there you you could talk to them tonight after the meeting yeah i'd be happy to do that exchange contact information as a matter of fact we brought somebody we knew there was uh the past meeting there were some concerns we brought the concerns to the developer and i'm pretty sure they reached out and talked to the association i we had a meeting with them today and um they understand it and they're they have had some problems with their what i would call the community canvas there it's a compactor it was mechanical they had some i would say things that were open to your concerns and i understand what he's talking about but i want to make clear that that's not us it's not what we do and we're very careful about because we know it's a concern for people any other questions can you address the signs are you requesting the signs it's not on tonight it got pulled because some of our things weren't turned in in a timely fashion and we will revisit it at a later date all right so mr chairman i'd like to make a motion thank you in regards to the appeal at 42931 woodward avenue for the uh variance for the loading dock square footage i would the variance be approved as requested based information presented the able kit did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance restrict layer of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because um truck size have changed this is a pre-existing building and a pre-existing um loading dock This site was already used for a grocery store at one time and we'll continue to do that There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the reason of again We're not talking about zoning associated with what is allowed to be here. This type of business is allowed to be in this area and It does have Retaining walls to help with some of the noise as well as light pollution and you can serve states of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that Loading dock sizes have changed over the years and they're just going to be doing what they can to accommodate the size of new trucks This is not self-created because of the fact of they would have loved to make a bigger loading dock
to make clear that that's not us it's not what we do and we're very careful about because we know it's a concern for people any other questions can you address the signs are you requesting the signs it's not on tonight it got pulled because some of our things weren't turned in in a timely fashion and we will revisit it at a later date all right so mr chairman i'd like to make a motion thank you in regards to the appeal at 42931 woodward avenue for the uh variance for the loading dock square footage i would the variance be approved as requested based information presented the able kit did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance restrict layer of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because um truck size have changed this is a pre-existing building and a pre-existing um loading dock This site was already used for a grocery store at one time and we'll continue to do that There is no injustice to adjoining neighbors by the reason of again We're not talking about zoning associated with what is allowed to be here. This type of business is allowed to be in this area and It does have Retaining walls to help with some of the noise as well as light pollution and you can serve states of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that Loading dock sizes have changed over the years and they're just going to be doing what they can to accommodate the size of new trucks This is not self-created because of the fact of they would have loved to make a bigger loading dock But the building size and the footprint of the pre-existing condition pre-existing building was already set if this motion is approved All necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation support. I Have a motion and support a discussion All in favor say aye aye any opposed Congratulations your request is granted. Thank you very much for approving it I really appreciate your understanding of the area because that was quite exact to to the point of why, but thank you very much, okay? So calling the next item item one three three five Waddington Good evening good evening. My name is Brian Ritter. I represent BMR design. I live it 6800 Franklin Road, just down the street, and I represent the homeowner. I am their builder. We are requesting a pergola to be installed.
This is not self-created because of the fact of they would have loved to make a bigger loading dock But the building size and the footprint of the pre-existing condition pre-existing building was already set if this motion is approved All necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to the installation support. I Have a motion and support a discussion All in favor say aye aye any opposed Congratulations your request is granted. Thank you very much for approving it I really appreciate your understanding of the area because that was quite exact to to the point of why, but thank you very much, okay? So calling the next item item one three three five Waddington Good evening good evening. My name is Brian Ritter. I represent BMR design. I live it 6800 Franklin Road, just down the street, and I represent the homeowner. I am their builder. We are requesting a pergola to be installed. Last year, we redid the whole backyard and we installed a hot tub, and we were going to think about putting in a pergola and everything else. Mike wanted to wait just a little bit to see how the backyard turned out, everything turned out great. Now he wants a little bit more privacy, and he wants to be able to use his hot tub in the wintertime. The hot tub itself is not going to be any taller than 10 feet, and we have gone through the calculations with Kathy Wiesenborn. Unfortunately, she couldn't be here tonight. She had a conflict. They have their zoning board meeting. And they've approved it. You've got approval. Yes. We had it. Yes. We received approval from them, and Kathy, I believe, she sent me an email last week that said she sent you guys a note for the approval from the village, which we do have in our application here. Yep. So we're requesting permission. We are well inside the 16-foot line, the rear yard setback. It is not going to go past the side of the property.
Last year, we redid the whole backyard and we installed a hot tub, and we were going to think about putting in a pergola and everything else. Mike wanted to wait just a little bit to see how the backyard turned out, everything turned out great. Now he wants a little bit more privacy, and he wants to be able to use his hot tub in the wintertime. The hot tub itself is not going to be any taller than 10 feet, and we have gone through the calculations with Kathy Wiesenborn. Unfortunately, she couldn't be here tonight. She had a conflict. They have their zoning board meeting. And they've approved it. You've got approval. Yes. We had it. Yes. We received approval from them, and Kathy, I believe, she sent me an email last week that said she sent you guys a note for the approval from the village, which we do have in our application here. Yep. So we're requesting permission. We are well inside the 16-foot line, the rear yard setback. It is not going to go past the side of the property. And because of what we did last year with the rear patio, we added a ton of landscaping. So the whole thing is mature. We've added landscaping to it. There's landscaping around the hot tub. There's, it's kind of all there. So I guess ours is really more of a permission request than anything. So it's permission request, you're within the setbacks and you have the recommendation of the board, your, your. The village, the village. So that's really good. And it appears that the pergola is just being set on the existing deck. Yes, we have, yes. It's an existing patio on the right. I don't think you need to say anything more. Well, thank you. So I'll open this to public. Close public hearing, we'll bring it back. Can I make a motion? Go ahead. In regards to the appeal at 335 Waddington Road, for the accessory structure, I move the request to be approved and submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards. Because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood, it sits behind the house. It's not affected by any setbacks.
And because of what we did last year with the rear patio, we added a ton of landscaping. So the whole thing is mature. We've added landscaping to it. There's landscaping around the hot tub. There's, it's kind of all there. So I guess ours is really more of a permission request than anything. So it's permission request, you're within the setbacks and you have the recommendation of the board, your, your. The village, the village. So that's really good. And it appears that the pergola is just being set on the existing deck. Yes, we have, yes. It's an existing patio on the right. I don't think you need to say anything more. Well, thank you. So I'll open this to public. Close public hearing, we'll bring it back. Can I make a motion? Go ahead. In regards to the appeal at 335 Waddington Road, for the accessory structure, I move the request to be approved and submitted. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards. Because the use of the accessory structure is appropriate to the neighborhood, it sits behind the house. It's not affected by any setbacks. You can't see it from the road. So I think it's good placement for this. It's not too high. It meets the height restriction. If approved, the motion must include application for unnecessary permits. must be made within one year and permits must be obtained prior to construction and and additional everywhere plantings will be required to completely screen the pergola for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the pergola at the town planting and um should be should should conceal that 12 months out of the year support i have motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is granted thank you and have a wonderful evening okay you too so calling next item item 2 5185 long metal hi my name is david wilner i was before you about three or four months ago with danny mcleish from twin pines um you guys were kind enough to approve uh sport court and um some landscape walls uh well we and you approved a utility area that was screened by a masonry wall when gillette pool brothers went and put in their uh utilities in that area we realized that even though the area approved is
It's not affected by any setbacks. You can't see it from the road. So I think it's good placement for this. It's not too high. It meets the height restriction. If approved, the motion must include application for unnecessary permits. must be made within one year and permits must be obtained prior to construction and and additional everywhere plantings will be required to completely screen the pergola for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the pergola at the town planting and um should be should should conceal that 12 months out of the year support i have motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is granted thank you and have a wonderful evening okay you too so calling next item item 2 5185 long metal hi my name is david wilner i was before you about three or four months ago with danny mcleish from twin pines um you guys were kind enough to approve uh sport court and um some landscape walls uh well we and you approved a utility area that was screened by a masonry wall when gillette pool brothers went and put in their uh utilities in that area we realized that even though the area approved is 20 feet wide by 32 feet long and it's within the footprint of the building we didn't get a separate approval that we're actually putting utilities in the utility area outside of the five foot so in that section there there's two rows of utilities because setbacks of the utilities and the pool equipment require some spacing so um when they applied for the mechanical permit it was denied and and i had to come back to add that we want to put utilities in utility area at the same time though i wanted to i wanted to make best use of this meeting and i also included that i would like options for that masonry wall because we determined with everything that went in it was a little bit short-sighted to plan a masonry wall with footings because there are probably 30 or 40 conduits and pipes that will we're going to have to go around with respect to either putting either a fence and or just screening of trees so at the same time i included in my application that we just um for my screening of that area either we say it's screening of with a fence and or masonry is probably not an option because of that but a fence of either i brought a metal fence a vinyl fence it's really going to come down to them sinking some posts
and put in their uh utilities in that area we realized that even though the area approved is 20 feet wide by 32 feet long and it's within the footprint of the building we didn't get a separate approval that we're actually putting utilities in the utility area outside of the five foot so in that section there there's two rows of utilities because setbacks of the utilities and the pool equipment require some spacing so um when they applied for the mechanical permit it was denied and and i had to come back to add that we want to put utilities in utility area at the same time though i wanted to i wanted to make best use of this meeting and i also included that i would like options for that masonry wall because we determined with everything that went in it was a little bit short-sighted to plan a masonry wall with footings because there are probably 30 or 40 conduits and pipes that will we're going to have to go around with respect to either putting either a fence and or just screening of trees so at the same time i included in my application that we just um for my screening of that area either we say it's screening of with a fence and or masonry is probably not an option because of that but a fence of either i brought a metal fence a vinyl fence it's really going to come down to them sinking some posts around there and then i have properly screened the yard entirely to your ordinance so this won't be able to be seen from anywhere but if i need additional screening with uh plantings it'll be around there so i'm here to ask for uh a variance for utilities to be placed in the area that was previously designated which is outside your five feet and also some latitude to put in fence of either vinyl and or metal and or oh well we can get rid of masonry so to clarify uh because we'd had a discussion um and i thought that you were going to decide to just do evergreen it could be evergreen too i i so yeah so that being said his request for a fence that would be more than no more than four feet in a rear yard would be permitted by right so but that wouldn't that wouldn't if it is not materials that match the house and that wouldn't meet the screening criteria so I'm trying to clarify if he's willing to if he wants to put a fence up to surround it he can but my thought would be that that area would still have to be screened yes so I'd like it to include and the generator is in excess of five feet so my fence people told me if I do put a fence it should be six foot to properly screen it but obviously there'd be a greenscape around it to
i brought a metal fence a vinyl fence it's really going to come down to them sinking some posts around there and then i have properly screened the yard entirely to your ordinance so this won't be able to be seen from anywhere but if i need additional screening with uh plantings it'll be around there so i'm here to ask for uh a variance for utilities to be placed in the area that was previously designated which is outside your five feet and also some latitude to put in fence of either vinyl and or metal and or oh well we can get rid of masonry so to clarify uh because we'd had a discussion um and i thought that you were going to decide to just do evergreen it could be evergreen too i i so yeah so that being said his request for a fence that would be more than no more than four feet in a rear yard would be permitted by right so but that wouldn't that wouldn't if it is not materials that match the house and that wouldn't meet the screening criteria so I'm trying to clarify if he's willing to if he wants to put a fence up to surround it he can but my thought would be that that area would still have to be screened yes so I'd like it to include and the generator is in excess of five feet so my fence people told me if I do put a fence it should be six foot to properly screen it but obviously there'd be a greenscape around it to properly adhere to your ordinance of being completely yeah we've we had this discussion on the phone and I and my understanding is that you had decided that instead of going for the variance for the fence site you would do the evergreen planting because we talked about it being anything over four feet requires variance we talked I actually had a call from your office even today and I reiterated again that I was asking also for the fence but if it's I got to try and get so I'll just say so I'm sorry you're on your letter yes on your letter you wrote a nice letter and then there's an arrow yes it says additionally I seek approval for substitution of ZBA approved masonry wall with screening or fence so there's not enough detail in that for us to approve it so you did get it in okay it wasn't noticed and I think I mean it sounds like there's some maybe a misunderstanding yes and I'm sorry for that it was a misunderstanding when we applied for the utility area and I didn't ask and I say if you're going to six feet Just if you want it to properly screen. We're going to have to see it. We're going to have to see the location of it. It's the exact same location as the masonry wall, which didn't we approve a masonry wall of six feet? I'd have to pull that straight. Yeah, I'm sorry. But no matter what, we didn't notice it saying there's going to be a six-foot fence.
foot to properly screen it but obviously there'd be a greenscape around it to properly adhere to your ordinance of being completely yeah we've we had this discussion on the phone and I and my understanding is that you had decided that instead of going for the variance for the fence site you would do the evergreen planting because we talked about it being anything over four feet requires variance we talked I actually had a call from your office even today and I reiterated again that I was asking also for the fence but if it's I got to try and get so I'll just say so I'm sorry you're on your letter yes on your letter you wrote a nice letter and then there's an arrow yes it says additionally I seek approval for substitution of ZBA approved masonry wall with screening or fence so there's not enough detail in that for us to approve it so you did get it in okay it wasn't noticed and I think I mean it sounds like there's some maybe a misunderstanding yes and I'm sorry for that it was a misunderstanding when we applied for the utility area and I didn't ask and I say if you're going to six feet Just if you want it to properly screen. We're going to have to see it. We're going to have to see the location of it. It's the exact same location as the masonry wall, which didn't we approve a masonry wall of six feet? I'd have to pull that straight. Yeah, I'm sorry. But no matter what, we didn't notice it saying there's going to be a six-foot fence. I think that's our issue. Yeah. We can't approve something that hasn't been noticed. You have to give public notice. Okay. So I'd have to come back a third time. Well, if you want a fence or we can do screening with evergreens. Yeah. Can't we just say that the masonry wall substitution of potentially fence and or I have metal fence and I have the vinyl fence to give you examples that I got from Action Fence. So I guess my suggestion would be is if he was in fact approved for a six-foot high screen wall, would there be an acceptance to look at the fencing that he's proposing to serve the same purpose as that screen wall that was approved? But typically, historically, we don't allow fencing to be the screening mechanism for ground mount mechanicals. My recommendation would be that you, if you were inclined to approve it, it would be with the required evergreen screening. Okay. And if Mr. Wilner decided that he wanted to proceed with that previously approved wall, he could certainly do so. Or, but my understanding, and if there was a misinterpretation, we had numerous conversations and my understanding was I thought that we were going to decide to go with the evergreen screening to eliminate any additional variances. That was my understanding. That was my understanding.
But no matter what, we didn't notice it saying there's going to be a six-foot fence. I think that's our issue. Yeah. We can't approve something that hasn't been noticed. You have to give public notice. Okay. So I'd have to come back a third time. Well, if you want a fence or we can do screening with evergreens. Yeah. Can't we just say that the masonry wall substitution of potentially fence and or I have metal fence and I have the vinyl fence to give you examples that I got from Action Fence. So I guess my suggestion would be is if he was in fact approved for a six-foot high screen wall, would there be an acceptance to look at the fencing that he's proposing to serve the same purpose as that screen wall that was approved? But typically, historically, we don't allow fencing to be the screening mechanism for ground mount mechanicals. My recommendation would be that you, if you were inclined to approve it, it would be with the required evergreen screening. Okay. And if Mr. Wilner decided that he wanted to proceed with that previously approved wall, he could certainly do so. Or, but my understanding, and if there was a misinterpretation, we had numerous conversations and my understanding was I thought that we were going to decide to go with the evergreen screening to eliminate any additional variances. That was my understanding. That was my understanding. in so I guess here we are kind of I don't want to counterdict her she was great to me but I I don't think we got into that part as much as you think so but but either here or there is there an opportunity to ask for a substitute of if I show you the fences to replace the masonry wall it's just the masonry walls a difficulty because of all the piping that's going through there I understand that entirely so I so I guess if you were to approve either just screening and or potentially a substitution for either vinyl or metal I'm just looking for an option once they start digging holes and I can't really tell you exactly till they start digging those holes and the grounds frozen we're trying to be in by April and I'm sorry I'm sorry this is so confusing no that's okay I mean I've enjoyed seeing you so many times I appreciate it but typically we don't approve either or and again we would need more detail right unfortunately because I I can't remember what we approved before with the masonry wall I I'd like to see the location I mean I think everybody would like to see the location of it and how it aligns with you know all the mechanicals it's do we have that it was it was a it was a complete masonry around the entire thing yeah I
in so I guess here we are kind of I don't want to counterdict her she was great to me but I I don't think we got into that part as much as you think so but but either here or there is there an opportunity to ask for a substitute of if I show you the fences to replace the masonry wall it's just the masonry walls a difficulty because of all the piping that's going through there I understand that entirely so I so I guess if you were to approve either just screening and or potentially a substitution for either vinyl or metal I'm just looking for an option once they start digging holes and I can't really tell you exactly till they start digging those holes and the grounds frozen we're trying to be in by April and I'm sorry I'm sorry this is so confusing no that's okay I mean I've enjoyed seeing you so many times I appreciate it but typically we don't approve either or and again we would need more detail right unfortunately because I I can't remember what we approved before with the masonry wall I I'd like to see the location I mean I think everybody would like to see the location of it and how it aligns with you know all the mechanicals it's do we have that it was it was a it was a complete masonry around the entire thing yeah I what I guess the other thing we have to consider is that he's talking about a six-foot yes I mean so once you're talking about a six-foot fence we haven't noticed we don't we have to see that fence and you know so I mean if I guess I guess my question is if I have approved a six-foot masonry wall and now we have complications of installing that because of all the equipment that replace the wall with that so I'm just trying to knock it off with a set my second hearing which I hope I hope not to have to come back to you but that's my question it's a five and a half or six feet tall I think it's taller I'm five foot five and it stands a little bit taller than I am and that is that is up against the home but the air conditioning units and clearances that's why we made a utility area and it's in it's in a slope of a lower area of the land and it's completely screened we got so do we have anything that shows where the wall that we approved well I mean I believe you I just we're a visual board so you can put it on the I'm going to have this here too so well give you two versions so this so that
that it was it was a it was a complete masonry around the entire thing yeah I what I guess the other thing we have to consider is that he's talking about a six-foot yes I mean so once you're talking about a six-foot fence we haven't noticed we don't we have to see that fence and you know so I mean if I guess I guess my question is if I have approved a six-foot masonry wall and now we have complications of installing that because of all the equipment that replace the wall with that so I'm just trying to knock it off with a set my second hearing which I hope I hope not to have to come back to you but that's my question it's a five and a half or six feet tall I think it's taller I'm five foot five and it stands a little bit taller than I am and that is that is up against the home but the air conditioning units and clearances that's why we made a utility area and it's in it's in a slope of a lower area of the land and it's completely screened we got so do we have anything that shows where the wall that we approved well I mean I believe you I just we're a visual board so you can put it on the I'm going to have this here too so well give you two versions so this so that was the utility area which is 20 feet by 32 feet 20 feet wide 32 feet facing towards me that was my landscape guy with our drawings today to so screening of trees and stuff so that was what was approved that was masonry wall going all the way to that gate and I believe it was approved six foot if I'm incorrect then I for sure would that's very important yeah yeah so I if we don't know all that okay do you want me to sit can you want to recall me is that uh no I think we've you know we're at a critical point this is just the close-up of the area that was approved that's green masonry wall that tracks me again if you screen them with evergreens yes six to seven feet tall yes why do you need a fence okay just to enclose the area I don't have to I just I had a masonry wall approved I'm just looking for whatever options I have while I'm doing but I mean if you plant the trees correctly it's going to be enclosed yes and a four-foot fence is not only the variance
it on the I'm going to have this here too so well give you two versions so this so that was the utility area which is 20 feet by 32 feet 20 feet wide 32 feet facing towards me that was my landscape guy with our drawings today to so screening of trees and stuff so that was what was approved that was masonry wall going all the way to that gate and I believe it was approved six foot if I'm incorrect then I for sure would that's very important yeah yeah so I if we don't know all that okay do you want me to sit can you want to recall me is that uh no I think we've you know we're at a critical point this is just the close-up of the area that was approved that's green masonry wall that tracks me again if you screen them with evergreens yes six to seven feet tall yes why do you need a fence okay just to enclose the area I don't have to I just I had a masonry wall approved I'm just looking for whatever options I have while I'm doing but I mean if you plant the trees correctly it's going to be enclosed yes and a four-foot fence is not only the variance for that right so you do a four-foot fence and taller vegetation in front of it and you're still fenced off okay as an option I guess I if I have approval for six foot I just ask that it'd be changed to potentially fenced they don't have the authority to make that decision our ordinance states that it has to be either evergreen planting or materials to match match the building so they there you'd have to actually ask for a variance to not provide materials to match the building as well as it being a fence so it's not as simple as that that's they're not under the authority to make that determination so I guess today let's just go with the fact that evergreen surrounding the area and that by five foot more than five feet from that you of the utility area you've previously approved. Okay, so we're back to evergreen screening. Evergreen screening and more than five feet within that area that we've previously designated as a utility area of the 20 foot by 32 feet that was within the building envelope. Sorry. You have to screen to meet or exceed
plant the trees correctly it's going to be enclosed yes and a four-foot fence is not only the variance for that right so you do a four-foot fence and taller vegetation in front of it and you're still fenced off okay as an option I guess I if I have approval for six foot I just ask that it'd be changed to potentially fenced they don't have the authority to make that decision our ordinance states that it has to be either evergreen planting or materials to match match the building so they there you'd have to actually ask for a variance to not provide materials to match the building as well as it being a fence so it's not as simple as that that's they're not under the authority to make that determination so I guess today let's just go with the fact that evergreen surrounding the area and that by five foot more than five feet from that you of the utility area you've previously approved. Okay, so we're back to evergreen screening. Evergreen screening and more than five feet within that area that we've previously designated as a utility area of the 20 foot by 32 feet that was within the building envelope. Sorry. You have to screen to meet or exceed the height of the existing stuff, simply. Okay, and do you have to screen it right around it or is the property screening? Am I screening it from the... No, you screen it around... Am I screening for myself or am I screening for the neighbors? You're screening around the utilities. Okay, so even though I have complete stuff around my yard. Doesn't matter what's on your property. Got it, I will do that. Okay. Any other questions from the sorry guys? It's okay. I thought I had this ready. Are we... Let's see. Did I have a public hearing on this? No. No. Okay. I'd like to open this to the public. Anyone like to comment on this? Closed public hearing. Thank you. Can I add one more comment? Am I allowed to or request? Just that I have reached out to my neighbors before I submitted neighbors when you approve my prior plan of everything. I've reached out to them and the subdivision made contact with them and Brian Butler told me to let you know that the subdivision has no objections also. So I am. So I am. Great. Mr. Chairman. I am. I am. I'd love to make a motion. Please. I welcome. In regards to the appeal at 5185 Long Meadow Road for the setback, the dimensional variance for mechanical equipment being more than five feet from the principal structure,
You have to screen to meet or exceed the height of the existing stuff, simply. Okay, and do you have to screen it right around it or is the property screening? Am I screening it from the... No, you screen it around... Am I screening for myself or am I screening for the neighbors? You're screening around the utilities. Okay, so even though I have complete stuff around my yard. Doesn't matter what's on your property. Got it, I will do that. Okay. Any other questions from the sorry guys? It's okay. I thought I had this ready. Are we... Let's see. Did I have a public hearing on this? No. No. Okay. I'd like to open this to the public. Anyone like to comment on this? Closed public hearing. Thank you. Can I add one more comment? Am I allowed to or request? Just that I have reached out to my neighbors before I submitted neighbors when you approve my prior plan of everything. I've reached out to them and the subdivision made contact with them and Brian Butler told me to let you know that the subdivision has no objections also. So I am. So I am. Great. Mr. Chairman. I am. I am. I'd love to make a motion. Please. I welcome. In regards to the appeal at 5185 Long Meadow Road for the setback, the dimensional variance for mechanical equipment being more than five feet from the principal structure, I move the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because he already has an area for utilities on his property and it is going to be properly screened, which we're going to get there. There is no justice to you joining laborers by the reason of, we already talked about it, we're going to be screening it. Unique service sets of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that he has a big pad for where all his mechanicals are going to be. So by keeping them all in the same area, it would be better for the neighbors for noise mitigation as well as easier for all of your construction. And this is now self-created. If approved, all applications for necessary permits must be made within five days. And then you will be required to screen the units. Additional evergreen screenings will be required to completely screen the mechanical equipment from public view and must exceed the height of the equipment at time of planting. But because you can't plant right now and it's already done, we will give you until April 1st. Because again, you cannot get the plantings in. Does that make sense? Yes. So again, at the height, so you said the highest structure in there is five and a half feet, so you'll have to do plantings five and a half feet or taller. Make sense? Yes. What was the five days on the permit? Because it's already pre-existent.
In regards to the appeal at 5185 Long Meadow Road for the setback, the dimensional variance for mechanical equipment being more than five feet from the principal structure, I move the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because he already has an area for utilities on his property and it is going to be properly screened, which we're going to get there. There is no justice to you joining laborers by the reason of, we already talked about it, we're going to be screening it. Unique service sets of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that he has a big pad for where all his mechanicals are going to be. So by keeping them all in the same area, it would be better for the neighbors for noise mitigation as well as easier for all of your construction. And this is now self-created. If approved, all applications for necessary permits must be made within five days. And then you will be required to screen the units. Additional evergreen screenings will be required to completely screen the mechanical equipment from public view and must exceed the height of the equipment at time of planting. But because you can't plant right now and it's already done, we will give you until April 1st. Because again, you cannot get the plantings in. Does that make sense? Yes. So again, at the height, so you said the highest structure in there is five and a half feet, so you'll have to do plantings five and a half feet or taller. Make sense? Yes. What was the five days on the permit? Because it's already pre-existent. That is already installed, correct? It's installed, yes, correct. So because it's installed, you have to apply within five business days. Gillette, for the mechanicals that are in that area. So that they know. Got it. Okay. Support. Motion to support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. I'm sorry I was not well prepared. Thank you. That's all right. Have a good day. So calling item three, 2025 Corton. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. You're good. This is Sabrina with me. I'm here on behalf of the homeowners at 2025 Corton Road. Oh, Corton Road. Our request today involves three items for you to consider. A pool house, mechanical equipment within and attached to the pool house, and then a greenhouse. Starting with the pool house, this will be a tastefully designed structure that overlooks the pool area. It has been designed to fit within the required setbacks, and although the neighbors have evergreen screening already, we are proposing additional screening along the property lines.
That is already installed, correct? It's installed, yes, correct. So because it's installed, you have to apply within five business days. Gillette, for the mechanicals that are in that area. So that they know. Got it. Okay. Support. Motion to support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. I'm sorry I was not well prepared. Thank you. That's all right. Have a good day. So calling item three, 2025 Corton. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. You're good. This is Sabrina with me. I'm here on behalf of the homeowners at 2025 Corton Road. Oh, Corton Road. Our request today involves three items for you to consider. A pool house, mechanical equipment within and attached to the pool house, and then a greenhouse. Starting with the pool house, this will be a tastefully designed structure that overlooks the pool area. It has been designed to fit within the required setbacks, and although the neighbors have evergreen screening already, we are proposing additional screening along the property lines. This ensures the pool house is screened from view should the neighbor's landscape change. We feel this request is fairly straightforward, and in keeping with the neighborhood, seeing that the surrounding neighbors already have similar structures. As you guys know, township code prohibits mechanics. equipment not adjacent to the principal home in this case it makes sense for us to ask for an exception to this we need to condition the pool house spaces which the best option would be for a mini split system that sits against the pool house we are also proposing that the location of the pool equipment be with inside the pool house in a mechanical room that will have kind of proper ventilation we feel these are reasonable requests and in keeping with other structures of this nature seen within the community lastly we are requesting permission to construct a mostly glass greenhouse on the east side of the property our clients are avid gardeners and not only want to house and grow plants during the winter but enjoy it as an overall element within this beautiful garden area that we've designed again this meets the required setbacks and it will be well screened from neighbors views now with that I'd be happy to answer any questions is there illumination in the greenhouse no okay no it I mean obvious it might have like grow lights but if we don't have if we're not allowed to have
we are proposing additional screening along the property lines. This ensures the pool house is screened from view should the neighbor's landscape change. We feel this request is fairly straightforward, and in keeping with the neighborhood, seeing that the surrounding neighbors already have similar structures. As you guys know, township code prohibits mechanics. equipment not adjacent to the principal home in this case it makes sense for us to ask for an exception to this we need to condition the pool house spaces which the best option would be for a mini split system that sits against the pool house we are also proposing that the location of the pool equipment be with inside the pool house in a mechanical room that will have kind of proper ventilation we feel these are reasonable requests and in keeping with other structures of this nature seen within the community lastly we are requesting permission to construct a mostly glass greenhouse on the east side of the property our clients are avid gardeners and not only want to house and grow plants during the winter but enjoy it as an overall element within this beautiful garden area that we've designed again this meets the required setbacks and it will be well screened from neighbors views now with that I'd be happy to answer any questions is there illumination in the greenhouse no okay no it I mean obvious it might have like grow lights but if we don't have if we're not allowed to have that then it's totally fine you question to the board I'll open this to the public anyone like to comment on this close the public hearing bring back bring it back just a couple questions on this sure so I know the word your location of your pool house kind of matches the location of the pool house next to you are you guys planning on putting additional evergreen screening along that border so that both the western neighbor and your neighbor behind you will not see it yeah we basically have evergreen screening i don't know if you have our landscape yeah so yep so we have evergreen screening down um on that let me see oh that's reverse in the other yeah that west side and then as well as more screening along the back property line okay so that's that's facing east right yes it's flipped yes right yes i know yeah okay this is for somebody who's really good reading plans yeah so yeah but with our with that plan it still looked like there were spots that were not completely covered i know the front of this we're going in between existing trees so you can kind of see there's some dashed lines those are representing existing trees so we're pocketing
it might have like grow lights but if we don't have if we're not allowed to have that then it's totally fine you question to the board I'll open this to the public anyone like to comment on this close the public hearing bring back bring it back just a couple questions on this sure so I know the word your location of your pool house kind of matches the location of the pool house next to you are you guys planning on putting additional evergreen screening along that border so that both the western neighbor and your neighbor behind you will not see it yeah we basically have evergreen screening i don't know if you have our landscape yeah so yep so we have evergreen screening down um on that let me see oh that's reverse in the other yeah that west side and then as well as more screening along the back property line okay so that's that's facing east right yes it's flipped yes right yes i know yeah okay this is for somebody who's really good reading plans yeah so yeah but with our with that plan it still looked like there were spots that were not completely covered i know the front of this we're going in between existing trees so you can kind of see there's some dashed lines those are representing existing trees so we're pocketing these as physically close as we can okay um and they are all specked as spruce and cedars so making sure that they grow quickly but obviously they will be planted at the height of the 14 foot pool house structure and again you put it right where the other neighbor has a similar one on that same side so i don't think they're going to be upset with you doing the same thing they did understood so that's my only question mr chairman thank you is there any reason why the greenhouse is on the side yard and not in the back it's just it was mainly with the location they have a current within the there's a little courtyard kind of on that side of the house kind of where that walkway is and they're doing a very kind of similar not terrarium i don't want to call it but kind of a green space closure room you And we wanted to design that also for sun bettering of garden capabilities because from this plan as well as our plan, you see kind of we have a whole outdoor garden as well in the back. So proper sunlighting, all of that, as well as nice use of the space on the side yard that they have to be able to also keep that open full yard in the backyard for kids playing.
can kind of see there's some dashed lines those are representing existing trees so we're pocketing these as physically close as we can okay um and they are all specked as spruce and cedars so making sure that they grow quickly but obviously they will be planted at the height of the 14 foot pool house structure and again you put it right where the other neighbor has a similar one on that same side so i don't think they're going to be upset with you doing the same thing they did understood so that's my only question mr chairman thank you is there any reason why the greenhouse is on the side yard and not in the back it's just it was mainly with the location they have a current within the there's a little courtyard kind of on that side of the house kind of where that walkway is and they're doing a very kind of similar not terrarium i don't want to call it but kind of a green space closure room you And we wanted to design that also for sun bettering of garden capabilities because from this plan as well as our plan, you see kind of we have a whole outdoor garden as well in the back. So proper sunlighting, all of that, as well as nice use of the space on the side yard that they have to be able to also keep that open full yard in the backyard for kids playing. And then that whole area is completely screened from neighbors and from the front yard as well. You can't see it from the front. You cannot see it. Because they have a berm, they have trees. It's pretty well. You can't pretty much see it. You can barely see the house from the street during peak times. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, you're going to make a motion? You can do it. Mr. Chairman, if you may, I would like to make a motion. That would be great. Thank you. In regards to the permission request at 2025 Court Road for the two accessory structures, both the pool house and the greenhouse, I move the request to be approved as submitted based on information presented. The applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards because the size and the use of this accessory structure is compatible with adjoining properties based on the fact that the neighbor directly to the west has a pool house as well as other people are planting greenhouses in their area. Next, for the dimensional variance, I'm going to show you the same way. I move the dimensional for the greenhouse being located in the side yard as well as the pool could be not immediately adjacent to the home, but because they're going to be inside of the pool house. I move that variance be approved as requested based information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all stands for practical difficulty because compliance strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because of the fact that by putting the pool equipment inside the pool house, it is closest to the pool area as well as will mitigate noise from their joining neighbors.
And then that whole area is completely screened from neighbors and from the front yard as well. You can't see it from the front. You cannot see it. Because they have a berm, they have trees. It's pretty well. You can't pretty much see it. You can barely see the house from the street during peak times. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, you're going to make a motion? You can do it. Mr. Chairman, if you may, I would like to make a motion. That would be great. Thank you. In regards to the permission request at 2025 Court Road for the two accessory structures, both the pool house and the greenhouse, I move the request to be approved as submitted based on information presented. The applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42-76 standards because the size and the use of this accessory structure is compatible with adjoining properties based on the fact that the neighbor directly to the west has a pool house as well as other people are planting greenhouses in their area. Next, for the dimensional variance, I'm going to show you the same way. I move the dimensional for the greenhouse being located in the side yard as well as the pool could be not immediately adjacent to the home, but because they're going to be inside of the pool house. I move that variance be approved as requested based information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all stands for practical difficulty because compliance strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because of the fact that by putting the pool equipment inside the pool house, it is closest to the pool area as well as will mitigate noise from their joining neighbors. From the greenhouse, it will be properly screened and still allow them to have access to a backyard for their family. There is no injustice to the joining neighbors by the reason of we will be screening all these things so they will not see it. Unique circumstances of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that, again, the front yard is screened so it will be nothing from the front. The side yard has been screened as well from the neighbor to the east. Unique circumstances have this property been demonstrated given the fact that, again, we talked about all the screening. This is not self-critic because of the fact that you guys are operating in the current envelope and the house is already built. If this motion is approved, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Additional aggregate streamings will be required based on your plan so that all those accessory structures will not be within view of any of your neighbors, both to the west, the south, as well as to the east. And the plantings must be, meet or exceed the height of the structures, so 14 feet at time of planting. Support. I have a motion and support. Any discussion? All those in favor?
The applicant did demonstrate all stands for practical difficulty because compliance strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome because of the fact that by putting the pool equipment inside the pool house, it is closest to the pool area as well as will mitigate noise from their joining neighbors. From the greenhouse, it will be properly screened and still allow them to have access to a backyard for their family. There is no injustice to the joining neighbors by the reason of we will be screening all these things so they will not see it. Unique circumstances of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that, again, the front yard is screened so it will be nothing from the front. The side yard has been screened as well from the neighbor to the east. Unique circumstances have this property been demonstrated given the fact that, again, we talked about all the screening. This is not self-critic because of the fact that you guys are operating in the current envelope and the house is already built. If this motion is approved, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Additional aggregate streamings will be required based on your plan so that all those accessory structures will not be within view of any of your neighbors, both to the west, the south, as well as to the east. And the plantings must be, meet or exceed the height of the structures, so 14 feet at time of planting. Support. I have a motion and support. Any discussion? All those in favor? Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations, your request is granted. Thank you. I'll be here for the next two. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm sorry. Calling item four, 3111 East Redford. Hello again, Sabrina with Mojure Design. This request tonight, I'm here on behalf of the homeowners at 311, 3, 3111 East Redford. Sorry about that. We're here in front of you tonight for two items. So it'll be a turf sport court and then as well as front decorative landscape walls kind of in the front yard. As a firm that advocates sustainability and related best practices, we have increasingly been encouraging our clients, especially on non-acreage parcels, to consider using products that lead to lesser environmental impact and runoff creation. One of these items that we are using and excited about is a highly permeable sports turf. So pervious that the current product we are specifying filters 500 times faster than traditional lawns. Beyond its permeability, it filters through a sand and coarse stone structure, removing impurities and allowing better ground
Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations, your request is granted. Thank you. I'll be here for the next two. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm sorry. Calling item four, 3111 East Redford. Hello again, Sabrina with Mojure Design. This request tonight, I'm here on behalf of the homeowners at 311, 3, 3111 East Redford. Sorry about that. We're here in front of you tonight for two items. So it'll be a turf sport court and then as well as front decorative landscape walls kind of in the front yard. As a firm that advocates sustainability and related best practices, we have increasingly been encouraging our clients, especially on non-acreage parcels, to consider using products that lead to lesser environmental impact and runoff creation. One of these items that we are using and excited about is a highly permeable sports turf. So pervious that the current product we are specifying filters 500 times faster than traditional lawns. Beyond its permeability, it filters through a sand and coarse stone structure, removing impurities and allowing better ground saturation than traditional lawn. And most importantly, it removes all harmful fertilization that comes from treating the traditional lawn on many other properties and standard properties. The court we are proposing here consists of this turf and undercourse filtering. I've been working to put more than a slave cell on your estranged, layer. In this particular case, our client will not be requesting any type of ball fencing perimeter, so there are no vertical structures. The only vertical elements that will be included is a short removable net in the middle, and then as well as a basketball hoop. Standard to all our requests of this nature, the court proposed within the required setbacks and completely screened with the mix of evergreen tree species around the whole perimeter of the property. I will also note that the neighbor directly to the east has this exact same court setup with turf and, to our knowledge, has not received any neighbor complaints since it has been installed and used. Our second request is for a two-foot tall decorative landscape wall in the front yard. This wall helps dissipate the home's architecture into the landscape, giving the landscape balance and kind of a connection to the home that visually appeals from the street, from passerbys, as well as the residents themselves. Walls of this nature are common in the community and provide enhanced curb appeal when designed correctly. And then I want to end it by letting you guys know that we have proactively reached out
structure, removing impurities and allowing better ground saturation than traditional lawn. And most importantly, it removes all harmful fertilization that comes from treating the traditional lawn on many other properties and standard properties. The court we are proposing here consists of this turf and undercourse filtering. I've been working to put more than a slave cell on your estranged, layer. In this particular case, our client will not be requesting any type of ball fencing perimeter, so there are no vertical structures. The only vertical elements that will be included is a short removable net in the middle, and then as well as a basketball hoop. Standard to all our requests of this nature, the court proposed within the required setbacks and completely screened with the mix of evergreen tree species around the whole perimeter of the property. I will also note that the neighbor directly to the east has this exact same court setup with turf and, to our knowledge, has not received any neighbor complaints since it has been installed and used. Our second request is for a two-foot tall decorative landscape wall in the front yard. This wall helps dissipate the home's architecture into the landscape, giving the landscape balance and kind of a connection to the home that visually appeals from the street, from passerbys, as well as the residents themselves. Walls of this nature are common in the community and provide enhanced curb appeal when designed correctly. And then I want to end it by letting you guys know that we have proactively reached out with the Neighborhood Association and answered any questions that they did have. They let us know that they would not be offering an opinion based on what we interpreted with them wanting to see how this, as they want to see how you guys kind of vote on this matter and kind of prior to offering your approval. So we will of course kind of work with them to ensure that they are happy depending on kind of if you guys approve and whatnot, just so. We're kind of in the good graces of the association, obviously, for ourselves as well as for the homeowners of this property. And then with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions? I'd like to open this to the public. Can anyone like to speak on this item? Good evening. I'm Chuck Salley, and I'm the co-chair of the homeowners association for Westchester Village.
correctly. And then I want to end it by letting you guys know that we have proactively reached out with the Neighborhood Association and answered any questions that they did have. They let us know that they would not be offering an opinion based on what we interpreted with them wanting to see how this, as they want to see how you guys kind of vote on this matter and kind of prior to offering your approval. So we will of course kind of work with them to ensure that they are happy depending on kind of if you guys approve and whatnot, just so. We're kind of in the good graces of the association, obviously, for ourselves as well as for the homeowners of this property. And then with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions? I'd like to open this to the public. Can anyone like to speak on this item? Good evening. I'm Chuck Salley, and I'm the co-chair of the homeowners association for Westchester Village. I live at 376 Westbourne in the village. I think our position has been misrepresented, and I apologize for that. It may have been my communication. It may have been unintentional, but it was misrepresented. We are not in favor of this particular application for two reasons. Number one, the issue of sports court is unresolved, and we believe that it should be resolved before this petition is reviewed. Number two, there's a history of water in the... neighborhood. All the adjoining lots have had substantial water issues and the substantial amount of lot coverage here, both the vegetation and the sports court and the pergola potentially add to that challenge. So until we'd like to make two requests. A, postpone this until we have more information about the sports court issue. And two, if you choose to review it now rather
I'm Chuck Salley, and I'm the co-chair of the homeowners association for Westchester Village. I live at 376 Westbourne in the village. I think our position has been misrepresented, and I apologize for that. It may have been my communication. It may have been unintentional, but it was misrepresented. We are not in favor of this particular application for two reasons. Number one, the issue of sports court is unresolved, and we believe that it should be resolved before this petition is reviewed. Number two, there's a history of water in the... neighborhood. All the adjoining lots have had substantial water issues and the substantial amount of lot coverage here, both the vegetation and the sports court and the pergola potentially add to that challenge. So until we'd like to make two requests. A, postpone this until we have more information about the sports court issue. And two, if you choose to review it now rather than postpone it, ask for a very strong review of the water in that area and the impact of the proposed addition on the water issues. I'm going to ask a number of members of our committee who's familiar with some of the issues in the neighborhood to speak to the water issues. My name is Mike Smith. I live at 3571 Berkshire Drive. And I am a member of the Architectural Control Committee. And at this point in time, we object to this project on several grounds. Number one is here's a noise factor. here. So we know that obviously that they are putting this in to utilize it and then have friends and neighbors, relatives over to use it, which is certainly their prerogative, but the neighbor next door also has the same thing.
more information about the sports court issue. And two, if you choose to review it now rather than postpone it, ask for a very strong review of the water in that area and the impact of the proposed addition on the water issues. I'm going to ask a number of members of our committee who's familiar with some of the issues in the neighborhood to speak to the water issues. My name is Mike Smith. I live at 3571 Berkshire Drive. And I am a member of the Architectural Control Committee. And at this point in time, we object to this project on several grounds. Number one is here's a noise factor. here. So we know that obviously that they are putting this in to utilize it and then have friends and neighbors, relatives over to use it, which is certainly their prerogative, but the neighbor next door also has the same thing. So there's going to be groups of people at both houses, possibly simultaneously, increasing noise so that other surrounding neighbors may not be able to enjoy their homes. Also, this means that there will be extra cars in the area when the visitors come to park. And it just so happens that these two homes are located at an intersection where there's a three-way stop, and the great majority of people that traverse that intersection do not stop. So there is a potential safety hazard for people running out between cars, and along with parking of the cars along the street. So there's going to be problems as far as potential injury to somebody if they get hit by a car.
So we know that obviously that they are putting this in to utilize it and then have friends and neighbors, relatives over to use it, which is certainly their prerogative, but the neighbor next door also has the same thing. So there's going to be groups of people at both houses, possibly simultaneously, increasing noise so that other surrounding neighbors may not be able to enjoy their homes. Also, this means that there will be extra cars in the area when the visitors come to park. And it just so happens that these two homes are located at an intersection where there's a three-way stop, and the great majority of people that traverse that intersection do not stop. So there is a potential safety hazard for people running out between cars, and along with parking of the cars along the street. So there's going to be problems as far as potential injury to somebody if they get hit by a car. They come out between cars and parking of the thing. Another thing is that there is a two-foot-high stone wall that they want to put in the front yard. And according to the guidelines of the township, there aren't supposed to be accessory structures. In the front yard, and I don't really find a purpose for this two-foot-high fence in the front yard other than decoration. A third problem is the water level, is the water. Now, I know they say that this is a very permeable surface that they want to put in, and that may or may not be a good thing in this particular case. Obviously, it probably will help with water retention on the surface.
They come out between cars and parking of the thing. Another thing is that there is a two-foot-high stone wall that they want to put in the front yard. And according to the guidelines of the township, there aren't supposed to be accessory structures. In the front yard, and I don't really find a purpose for this two-foot-high fence in the front yard other than decoration. A third problem is the water level, is the water. Now, I know they say that this is a very permeable surface that they want to put in, and that may or may not be a good thing in this particular case. Obviously, it probably will help with water retention on the surface. But as the water permeates through to the ground, I think it's going to increase the... ... water level table and as chuck mentioned many of the homes in this particular area have water problems the builders have to do if they've put a basement in have to do extra maneuvers to drain around the foundation of the house uh costing thousands of dollars and still some of the homes in the area are still having water issues in the basement anyway and just across the street from where this house is there was a new home that was built about two years ago and they had such issues with the water table when they went to do
Obviously, it probably will help with water retention on the surface. But as the water permeates through to the ground, I think it's going to increase the... ... water level table and as chuck mentioned many of the homes in this particular area have water problems the builders have to do if they've put a basement in have to do extra maneuvers to drain around the foundation of the house uh costing thousands of dollars and still some of the homes in the area are still having water issues in the basement anyway and just across the street from where this house is there was a new home that was built about two years ago and they had such issues with the water table when they went to do their basement that they finally almost gave up on having a basement but did compromise by putting in a sub basement that's only five foot six inches tall so that means the average adult can't walk through there upright you're gonna have to bend over And they compromise their basement because of the water table in this area. So I can't see how this surface, even though it's more permeable than normal soil, is going to help the situation. In fact, it might make the situation worse, especially when it's right next door to another one. A sports court that has the permeable surface. So at the very least, we would request an unbiased professional evaluation of the water level and the water problems in this neighborhood before going ahead and allowing another sports court to be put in.
about two years ago and they had such issues with the water table when they went to do their basement that they finally almost gave up on having a basement but did compromise by putting in a sub basement that's only five foot six inches tall so that means the average adult can't walk through there upright you're gonna have to bend over And they compromise their basement because of the water table in this area. So I can't see how this surface, even though it's more permeable than normal soil, is going to help the situation. In fact, it might make the situation worse, especially when it's right next door to another one. A sports court that has the permeable surface. So at the very least, we would request an unbiased professional evaluation of the water level and the water problems in this neighborhood before going ahead and allowing another sports court to be put in. And I think those are the factors that really weigh heavily on this project. There's several of them, as I've outlined, and I would ask that you take that into consideration in making your decision. Thank you very much. Does anyone else like to speak on this item? So I'll close the public hearing and then ask the applicant to respond. So we... So we... We did, thank you guys. Obviously we respect associations, we work with them all the time. We did reach out numerous times obviously to get any feedback from them and then we were just told to kind of wait for the board meeting or wait for more information without receiving any of these comments back. One of the big things I'd like to kind of further comment on is the drainage of this specific turf.
So at the very least, we would request an unbiased professional evaluation of the water level and the water problems in this neighborhood before going ahead and allowing another sports court to be put in. And I think those are the factors that really weigh heavily on this project. There's several of them, as I've outlined, and I would ask that you take that into consideration in making your decision. Thank you very much. Does anyone else like to speak on this item? So I'll close the public hearing and then ask the applicant to respond. So we... So we... We did, thank you guys. Obviously we respect associations, we work with them all the time. We did reach out numerous times obviously to get any feedback from them and then we were just told to kind of wait for the board meeting or wait for more information without receiving any of these comments back. One of the big things I'd like to kind of further comment on is the drainage of this specific turf. So from our detail that we have showing the section cut, yes it is a highly permeable surface but there is a whole drying tile system that is underneath this turf that will then go into an overall site drainage system as per any town as well as within the township is water must be contained on your own property and you have to take care of it. That's what we strive for in every single one of our jobs is we want to make sure everything is checked through by an engineer and obviously we've had so much experience in different properties of being able to contain it just because we have to do it so often. So any water that is on this property is going to be contained within this property and there's no additional, any additional runoff is going to be captured so that it's not going over to neighbors, it's not affecting any neighbors and it's staying here and keeping this property dry and well-maintained. but obviously being respectful of the neighbors to not cause any further issues for them um with i mean i can i think that was the biggest information comment on obviously i can say some stuff to the park like obviously they have a parking area now in the front yard
is the drainage of this specific turf. So from our detail that we have showing the section cut, yes it is a highly permeable surface but there is a whole drying tile system that is underneath this turf that will then go into an overall site drainage system as per any town as well as within the township is water must be contained on your own property and you have to take care of it. That's what we strive for in every single one of our jobs is we want to make sure everything is checked through by an engineer and obviously we've had so much experience in different properties of being able to contain it just because we have to do it so often. So any water that is on this property is going to be contained within this property and there's no additional, any additional runoff is going to be captured so that it's not going over to neighbors, it's not affecting any neighbors and it's staying here and keeping this property dry and well-maintained. but obviously being respectful of the neighbors to not cause any further issues for them um with i mean i can i think that was the biggest information comment on obviously i can say some stuff to the park like obviously they have a parking area now in the front yard um and they do have a decent sized driveway that if they are having people over they're going to be pulling in i mean obviously they want their guests to be safe as just as much as anyone in the public too so we did have a little parking space added in the front yard um throughout all of this design work as they're like wanting to obviously make sure that all of their guests that come to their home are safe can you talk a little bit about the two-foot wall so the two-foot wall obviously it's a beautiful structure and i mean we've done a decent amount of them throughout the township it's a beautiful aesthetic coming out it really helps kind of delineate and bring out the the architecture of the house which really ties everything really well together um so we like these structures for that reason it's an aesthetic it adds to the community the look of it um but obviously if you have any concerns our clients are more than welcome to kind of work with you guys on that so it's strictly aesthetic yeah it's more
i can say some stuff to the park like obviously they have a parking area now in the front yard um and they do have a decent sized driveway that if they are having people over they're going to be pulling in i mean obviously they want their guests to be safe as just as much as anyone in the public too so we did have a little parking space added in the front yard um throughout all of this design work as they're like wanting to obviously make sure that all of their guests that come to their home are safe can you talk a little bit about the two-foot wall so the two-foot wall obviously it's a beautiful structure and i mean we've done a decent amount of them throughout the township it's a beautiful aesthetic coming out it really helps kind of delineate and bring out the the architecture of the house which really ties everything really well together um so we like these structures for that reason it's an aesthetic it adds to the community the look of it um but obviously if you have any concerns our clients are more than welcome to kind of work with you guys on that so it's strictly aesthetic yeah it's more yeah overall aesthetic adding to the house adding to the value of the house the value of the community and you weren't planning on putting any screening or anything you were gonna no there are plantings that are going in front of it and on the angles we have um let me just double check yeah we have some tall wintergreen cedars actually on the corners of it and then we have some a short kind of ornamental grass going um or at the corners and then an ornamental grass going in front of it it is absolutely absolutely softened all right mr chairman so i have some questions we'll do some comments so um so in regards to some of the public comments specifically on how we're going to play out the sports courts as many people has known the board of trustees voted to put a moratorium on new sports courts correct so any sports courts that were put in place prior to the moratorium has the right to be here has the right to be seen and the right to be played out that's their right going forward no new application can be allowed correct until after that moratorium and we address some of the issues whether it is noise whether it is water runoff some of those things
yeah overall aesthetic adding to the house adding to the value of the house the value of the community and you weren't planning on putting any screening or anything you were gonna no there are plantings that are going in front of it and on the angles we have um let me just double check yeah we have some tall wintergreen cedars actually on the corners of it and then we have some a short kind of ornamental grass going um or at the corners and then an ornamental grass going in front of it it is absolutely absolutely softened all right mr chairman so i have some questions we'll do some comments so um so in regards to some of the public comments specifically on how we're going to play out the sports courts as many people has known the board of trustees voted to put a moratorium on new sports courts correct so any sports courts that were put in place prior to the moratorium has the right to be here has the right to be seen and the right to be played out that's their right going forward no new application can be allowed correct until after that moratorium and we address some of the issues whether it is noise whether it is water runoff some of those things so going forward a lot of the issues that you guys have brought up will be happen to be uh being addressed by our planning commission that being said did you have a civil engineer as part of this you come up with that water drainage outline because I know we sometimes will have a civil engineer look at it they don't necessarily stamp it yeah is this part of the whole site plan of the same civil engineer that mitigated water when the house was built and then now we start adding these other impermeable surfaces and we have to keep that water recalculated drainage system designed yes okay so as we made the adjustments to the home the civil engineer people that are smarter than us to manage that water are making sure that adding this additional service will not cause it and as part of your application of the township that's gonna be part of it correct correct and then Andrea do we then our department then will review that and ensure not only is it factual but all the calculations they do are correct that is correct to build a building permit would have to be submitted and as part of that submittal they would be reviewing the submittal on behalf of the civil engineer that's correct so then not only is it to the standards it's the high standards that we not only have at the township but for water mitigation which should
some of the issues whether it is noise whether it is water runoff some of those things so going forward a lot of the issues that you guys have brought up will be happen to be uh being addressed by our planning commission that being said did you have a civil engineer as part of this you come up with that water drainage outline because I know we sometimes will have a civil engineer look at it they don't necessarily stamp it yeah is this part of the whole site plan of the same civil engineer that mitigated water when the house was built and then now we start adding these other impermeable surfaces and we have to keep that water recalculated drainage system designed yes okay so as we made the adjustments to the home the civil engineer people that are smarter than us to manage that water are making sure that adding this additional service will not cause it and as part of your application of the township that's gonna be part of it correct correct and then Andrea do we then our department then will review that and ensure not only is it factual but all the calculations they do are correct that is correct to build a building permit would have to be submitted and as part of that submittal they would be reviewing the submittal on behalf of the civil engineer that's correct so then not only is it to the standards it's the high standards that we not only have at the township but for water mitigation which should in theory be better than what was there before correct because the standards that when this house was built were significantly lower yeah and there wasn't as much surface area all of that so I have a question I was unaware that the township board have passed a moratorium that being the case is there language in that moratorium that exempts pending applications okay so basically anybody who had an application before the moratorium you was submitted so it was as of the second meeting in january so because of when they got their application yeah they got their application in january 14th and i think the moratorium was like january 19th so yeah this is probably one of the last ones that you'll be hearing so because of that that is their right and they deserve it and can i also add that this in addition to no back netting being on this court it will also not obviously be illuminated so obviously it would be only during daytime hours of use yes and again you are completely screening it absolutely yeah so because as the apple as some of the people had said i noticed there is a sports court to the east there is a sports court to the south but the neighbor to possibly to the west might not be exactly excited because it seems like there's one in the backyard of 1000 and then there's one in the backyard to
it's the high standards that we not only have at the township but for water mitigation which should in theory be better than what was there before correct because the standards that when this house was built were significantly lower yeah and there wasn't as much surface area all of that so I have a question I was unaware that the township board have passed a moratorium that being the case is there language in that moratorium that exempts pending applications okay so basically anybody who had an application before the moratorium you was submitted so it was as of the second meeting in january so because of when they got their application yeah they got their application in january 14th and i think the moratorium was like january 19th so yeah this is probably one of the last ones that you'll be hearing so because of that that is their right and they deserve it and can i also add that this in addition to no back netting being on this court it will also not obviously be illuminated so obviously it would be only during daytime hours of use yes and again you are completely screening it absolutely yeah so because as the apple as some of the people had said i noticed there is a sports court to the east there is a sports court to the south but the neighbor to possibly to the west might not be exactly excited because it seems like there's one in the backyard of 1000 and then there's one in the backyard to the correct so we want to make sure we mitigate as much sound as we can as well as the visual disturbances of that backboard absolutely what are the height of the planting so you guys um they are and i can just verify they are 10 feet yeah they're all about 10 feet tall all around the whole perimeter and i just want to make sure i understand the wall the wall is just going in that that front uh it's it's it's not going it's it's it's it's sort of a u u-shape wall so it lines up with the uh it's kind of an l-shaped wall or or l yeah but yeah and then it has another part basically to open up and keep a center opening for the front door as kind of an architectural um standpoint it's basically delineating the walkway to kind of give it down the walkway but then leave the door open so people can see the door absolutely and as you can see obviously the house from the front porch is sent is inset back so then those walls are kind of an architectural point bringing it forward you said there's going to be uh that's going the wall is going to have plantings in front
because it seems like there's one in the backyard of 1000 and then there's one in the backyard to the correct so we want to make sure we mitigate as much sound as we can as well as the visual disturbances of that backboard absolutely what are the height of the planting so you guys um they are and i can just verify they are 10 feet yeah they're all about 10 feet tall all around the whole perimeter and i just want to make sure i understand the wall the wall is just going in that that front uh it's it's it's not going it's it's it's it's sort of a u u-shape wall so it lines up with the uh it's kind of an l-shaped wall or or l yeah but yeah and then it has another part basically to open up and keep a center opening for the front door as kind of an architectural um standpoint it's basically delineating the walkway to kind of give it down the walkway but then leave the door open so people can see the door absolutely and as you can see obviously the house from the front porch is sent is inset back so then those walls are kind of an architectural point bringing it forward you said there's going to be uh that's going the wall is going to have plantings in front of it yep yep it'll have taller trees on the left and right sides of it at the very corners and then it'll have um an ornamental grass in front of it any other questions from the board are we ready for a motion i'll make a motion okay i'll start with the permission request first um in regards to the appeal at uh 311 east bradford road uh for the accessory structure of both the sports court as well as the stone wall i request that the motion be approved as submitted based on the information presented the applicant to demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards uh because the use of the accessory structure uh is appropriate for the neighborhood as sports courts are becoming more common that's why we have a moratorium the uh as well as the um accessory structure of the wall uh should be harmonious as well as not objectionable by nearby residents for the reason that it will be screened and softened with grass and greenery. In terms of the dimensional variance at the same location, in regards to that appeal, I also move that the variance be approved as requested.
forward you said there's going to be uh that's going the wall is going to have plantings in front of it yep yep it'll have taller trees on the left and right sides of it at the very corners and then it'll have um an ornamental grass in front of it any other questions from the board are we ready for a motion i'll make a motion okay i'll start with the permission request first um in regards to the appeal at uh 311 east bradford road uh for the accessory structure of both the sports court as well as the stone wall i request that the motion be approved as submitted based on the information presented the applicant to demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards uh because the use of the accessory structure uh is appropriate for the neighborhood as sports courts are becoming more common that's why we have a moratorium the uh as well as the um accessory structure of the wall uh should be harmonious as well as not objectionable by nearby residents for the reason that it will be screened and softened with grass and greenery. In terms of the dimensional variance at the same location, in regards to that appeal, I also move that the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant didn't illustrate all standards for practical difficulty for the dimensional variance for the stone wall to be located in the front yard. The use of that will make actually more ornamental architectural design and beautify the front of the home. There's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors because it will be set back and it's also going to be screened and softened. Unique circumstances of the property, again, because it has an excessive amount of setback in the front that this wall should not be objectionable and because of that, it is not self-created. With all that said, if approved, the motion includes application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Additional evergreens shall be required to completely screen the structure from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structure and equipment at the time of planting. There's no illumination permitted on the sports court and, of course, the sports court is limited to daytime hours. I have a motion to support any discussion. Just one thing, a part of a clarification. She had mentioned that they're going to have a civil engineer.
I also move that the variance be approved as requested. Based on the information presented, the applicant didn't illustrate all standards for practical difficulty for the dimensional variance for the stone wall to be located in the front yard. The use of that will make actually more ornamental architectural design and beautify the front of the home. There's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors because it will be set back and it's also going to be screened and softened. Unique circumstances of the property, again, because it has an excessive amount of setback in the front that this wall should not be objectionable and because of that, it is not self-created. With all that said, if approved, the motion includes application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Additional evergreens shall be required to completely screen the structure from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structure and equipment at the time of planting. There's no illumination permitted on the sports court and, of course, the sports court is limited to daytime hours. I have a motion to support any discussion. Just one thing, a part of a clarification. She had mentioned that they're going to have a civil engineer. that was already approved the plan and update the plan based on the permittal surface I would like that to be on record that that'll be required be stamped by an engineer prior to submitting an application since you said you already have it anyway so let's just make sure it's done does it be on the board agree with that support sure support they both you can include that as a condition of approval okay as long as Andrew doesn't give me the mean look no I and as long as that that's part of the motion the board is that we'll make sure that this is a matter of the motion perfect thank you so much any other discussion all those in favor of the emotion is modified say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is granted all right again my name is Sabrina with Mosier design and I'm on here I'm here tonight representing clients at five three eight five long meadow we were here before you a few months ago approving a tennis court that is at the back of the property a client has since worked with us and the house architect to finish their requested property design which brings us back to you this evening to request
that was already approved the plan and update the plan based on the permittal surface I would like that to be on record that that'll be required be stamped by an engineer prior to submitting an application since you said you already have it anyway so let's just make sure it's done does it be on the board agree with that support sure support they both you can include that as a condition of approval okay as long as Andrew doesn't give me the mean look no I and as long as that that's part of the motion the board is that we'll make sure that this is a matter of the motion perfect thank you so much any other discussion all those in favor of the emotion is modified say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is granted all right again my name is Sabrina with Mosier design and I'm on here I'm here tonight representing clients at five three eight five long meadow we were here before you a few months ago approving a tennis court that is at the back of the property a client has since worked with us and the house architect to finish their requested property design which brings us back to you this evening to request approval for three additional items that we have identified in the final design the first is the landscape wall in the front yard and non-illuminated piers the second are some gas fire features and then the third is a pool cabana building similar to my last case we are proposing a tasteful landscape wall and peers to help bring the dimensions of the home through the property these types of elements as mentioned previously are very common within this neighborhood and then therefore we have designed these elements to be respectful of the overall feel throughout the whole community in the back we are proposing a few gas fire features around the pool area these elements are fairly straightforward there will be fire bowls on the pool piers as well as a fire pit but I believe because it's in a patio that is not on approval night yes the third request is for a beautiful pool house structure that the clients have been working with Brian Nieper on this structure extends the living space from the house out feature of this caliper are fairly common within this neighborhood and at the proportions designed therefore it is in our opinion on such a large lot like this it is a reasonable request please do note that the structure does exceed the 14 foot
requested property design which brings us back to you this evening to request approval for three additional items that we have identified in the final design the first is the landscape wall in the front yard and non-illuminated piers the second are some gas fire features and then the third is a pool cabana building similar to my last case we are proposing a tasteful landscape wall and peers to help bring the dimensions of the home through the property these types of elements as mentioned previously are very common within this neighborhood and then therefore we have designed these elements to be respectful of the overall feel throughout the whole community in the back we are proposing a few gas fire features around the pool area these elements are fairly straightforward there will be fire bowls on the pool piers as well as a fire pit but I believe because it's in a patio that is not on approval night yes the third request is for a beautiful pool house structure that the clients have been working with Brian Nieper on this structure extends the living space from the house out feature of this caliper are fairly common within this neighborhood and at the proportions designed therefore it is in our opinion on such a large lot like this it is a reasonable request please do note that the structure does exceed the 14 foot height allowance but with being so far from the property lines and the introduction of evergreen screening none of this will be visible from the public in addition with specifically how the the scale of the house and the scale of the lot we feel that this proportions of the pool house specifically match not only the architecture of the house to add some continuity but is appropriate for this size of lot lastly I wanted to let you know that we have worked with the HOA and they have fully approved the plans their only request is that we consider moving the front landscape walls a little further from the road about 25 feet about 25 feet which we have no issues with and have agreed to meet with them on site to kind of finally verify that exact distance from the property line and then i would be happy to answer any questions so did i hear you correctly you said that when you talked to the association that you're willing to accommodate their request yep so those front walls and piers we have no problem pushing back farther and obviously like i said we will meet with the president of the hoa to kind of just finalize where he's comfortable with them i was a little confused by this because when i read the materials submitted it said that the pool house would be under 14 feet i think it's the chimney um
lot like this it is a reasonable request please do note that the structure does exceed the 14 foot height allowance but with being so far from the property lines and the introduction of evergreen screening none of this will be visible from the public in addition with specifically how the the scale of the house and the scale of the lot we feel that this proportions of the pool house specifically match not only the architecture of the house to add some continuity but is appropriate for this size of lot lastly I wanted to let you know that we have worked with the HOA and they have fully approved the plans their only request is that we consider moving the front landscape walls a little further from the road about 25 feet about 25 feet which we have no issues with and have agreed to meet with them on site to kind of finally verify that exact distance from the property line and then i would be happy to answer any questions so did i hear you correctly you said that when you talked to the association that you're willing to accommodate their request yep so those front walls and piers we have no problem pushing back farther and obviously like i said we will meet with the president of the hoa to kind of just finalize where he's comfortable with them i was a little confused by this because when i read the materials submitted it said that the pool house would be under 14 feet i think it's the chimney um height of the structures well within township guidelines under 14 feet that's that's why i was confused and then the there's so the the you don't have a gas fire pit correct they do there is a gas fire okay it's within it's going to me the fire bowls where the fire so they're on the corners of the pool okay because those aren't listed is do they need a very no they don't need you we've we've accepted those type of structures when they're on incorporated into a patio as long as they're not they're not more than four feet in overall height that was part of the ordinance amendment we a few years ago sometimes you know with their long history at the township they they're very good and very thorough and include things that sometimes may nowadays not require approval so the overall height of the pool house itself including the chimney is 23 foot and a half which I believe on the agenda 24 feet is at the top of the chimney and then the actual height of the highest
the materials submitted it said that the pool house would be under 14 feet i think it's the chimney um height of the structures well within township guidelines under 14 feet that's that's why i was confused and then the there's so the the you don't have a gas fire pit correct they do there is a gas fire okay it's within it's going to me the fire bowls where the fire so they're on the corners of the pool okay because those aren't listed is do they need a very no they don't need you we've we've accepted those type of structures when they're on incorporated into a patio as long as they're not they're not more than four feet in overall height that was part of the ordinance amendment we a few years ago sometimes you know with their long history at the township they they're very good and very thorough and include things that sometimes may nowadays not require approval so the overall height of the pool house itself including the chimney is 23 foot and a half which I believe on the agenda 24 feet is at the top of the chimney and then the actual height of the highest roof pitch of the actual pool house is 18 foot 10 okay so then it's just the application is incorrect what was written in there and I know I walked out excuse me for this we're planning on putting trees that are gonna screen this there are we doing 24 feet or we're gonna do 18 feet this whole property so I so there is existing evergreen screening along I believe it's the north side of the property and then we're gonna have yet 10 to 14 along the whole back of the property and then even taller on the sides obviously because the back of the property is a lot farther away if we we can accommodate that is not a problem okay because it's gonna need to be that height right so I understand we're talking about the height of the structure height of the house so architecturally going with a bigger taller building or trees we need bigger trees yeah so I know we did this this on the road you you charring cross and the gentleman said the same thing but then that gentleman put in 25 and 30 foot trees because that's what he wanted so your client may have to do the same thing any other questions so open to the public I'd like to speak on this item
feet is at the top of the chimney and then the actual height of the highest roof pitch of the actual pool house is 18 foot 10 okay so then it's just the application is incorrect what was written in there and I know I walked out excuse me for this we're planning on putting trees that are gonna screen this there are we doing 24 feet or we're gonna do 18 feet this whole property so I so there is existing evergreen screening along I believe it's the north side of the property and then we're gonna have yet 10 to 14 along the whole back of the property and then even taller on the sides obviously because the back of the property is a lot farther away if we we can accommodate that is not a problem okay because it's gonna need to be that height right so I understand we're talking about the height of the structure height of the house so architecturally going with a bigger taller building or trees we need bigger trees yeah so I know we did this this on the road you you charring cross and the gentleman said the same thing but then that gentleman put in 25 and 30 foot trees because that's what he wanted so your client may have to do the same thing any other questions so open to the public I'd like to speak on this item close the public hearing read back mr. chair I'll make a motion thank you well with regard to the appeal at five three eight five long meadow Road for the permission request required for the three accessory structures a stone wall the gas fire pit and the pool house I move that the request be approved as submitted based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 7.6 standards because the use of these accessory structures is appropriate to the neighborhood as they're all screened from public view and many homes in the area have similar structures with regard to the dimensional variances required for the stone wall to be located in the front yard and for the pool house to exceed is it how many feet so exceed 14 feet in height but what is the height so it's 24 to the top of the chimney okay just want to clarify that so the dimensional variances for the stone wall as well as well as the pool house to exceed 14 feet in height I move that it be approved as presented based on the information
any other questions so open to the public I'd like to speak on this item close the public hearing read back mr. chair I'll make a motion thank you well with regard to the appeal at five three eight five long meadow Road for the permission request required for the three accessory structures a stone wall the gas fire pit and the pool house I move that the request be approved as submitted based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate compliance with section 42 dash 7.6 standards because the use of these accessory structures is appropriate to the neighborhood as they're all screened from public view and many homes in the area have similar structures with regard to the dimensional variances required for the stone wall to be located in the front yard and for the pool house to exceed is it how many feet so exceed 14 feet in height but what is the height so it's 24 to the top of the chimney okay just want to clarify that so the dimensional variances for the stone wall as well as well as the pool house to exceed 14 feet in height I move that it be approved as presented based on the information then the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the size of the home and the way that the patio is set up there's no injustice to adjoining neighbors by reason that there'll be thorough evergreen plantings as discussed earlier tonight here with our other um commissioner here or trustee here we go um anyway uh unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given that this is uh um very common with the area and as a result it's not self self-created so if approved i move the motion must include application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be attained prior to construction additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the accessory structures from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structures at the time of planting support motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed congratulations request is grand thank you have a good evening okay you too mr chair i want to disclose that uh this next case is a property that i renovated and i have a relationship with a client but um i can make a
then the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the ordinance would be unduly burdensome due to the size of the home and the way that the patio is set up there's no injustice to adjoining neighbors by reason that there'll be thorough evergreen plantings as discussed earlier tonight here with our other um commissioner here or trustee here we go um anyway uh unique circumstances of the property have been demonstrated given that this is uh um very common with the area and as a result it's not self self-created so if approved i move the motion must include application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be attained prior to construction additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the accessory structures from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structures at the time of planting support motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed congratulations request is grand thank you have a good evening okay you too mr chair i want to disclose that uh this next case is a property that i renovated and i have a relationship with a client but um i can make a fair assessment for this appeal okay thanks for that disclosure calling the next item item six good evening uh my name is Jake I'm with Gillette Brothers pool we're pool builder in Troy I'm here representing Roman and Lisa Ferber at 1356 Kirkway Road what we're asking for here is a variance on the location of our existing pool equipment so through a number of miscommunications between us landscaper however we got here to a point to where we have the equipment installed where it is but it is seven feet away from the primary residence as opposed to within the five feet that the township wants that being said it is still a heavily screened area and it is well within the the side yard setback there Lisa Ferber has talked to both her neighbors north and south and they have not voiced any concerns with location of this equipment so basically we're just seeking a variance for this equipment
next case is a property that i renovated and i have a relationship with a client but um i can make a fair assessment for this appeal okay thanks for that disclosure calling the next item item six good evening uh my name is Jake I'm with Gillette Brothers pool we're pool builder in Troy I'm here representing Roman and Lisa Ferber at 1356 Kirkway Road what we're asking for here is a variance on the location of our existing pool equipment so through a number of miscommunications between us landscaper however we got here to a point to where we have the equipment installed where it is but it is seven feet away from the primary residence as opposed to within the five feet that the township wants that being said it is still a heavily screened area and it is well within the the side yard setback there Lisa Ferber has talked to both her neighbors north and south and they have not voiced any concerns with location of this equipment so basically we're just seeking a variance for this equipment to remain where it is any questions well just a basic question was there any reason why it wasn't in within the five feet well part of the reason was we wanted to maintain clearance from other mechanicals as you can see there's a couple AC units in a mini split in there there should be pictures that show that basically a lot of those units want three feet of clearance for their they're you proper operation so we were trying to accommodate that as well as our unit our pool boiler especially wants three feet of clearance from any other appliances for the proper airflow they need to vent and operate correctly any other questions I'll open this to the public and I would like to comment on closed public hearing bring it back mr. chairman I'd like to make a motion on this thank you in regards to the appeal at 1356 Kirkway Road for the setback variance for being seven feet away from the president residential structure versus five I move the variance be approved as a request based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because
this equipment so basically we're just seeking a variance for this equipment to remain where it is any questions well just a basic question was there any reason why it wasn't in within the five feet well part of the reason was we wanted to maintain clearance from other mechanicals as you can see there's a couple AC units in a mini split in there there should be pictures that show that basically a lot of those units want three feet of clearance for their they're you proper operation so we were trying to accommodate that as well as our unit our pool boiler especially wants three feet of clearance from any other appliances for the proper airflow they need to vent and operate correctly any other questions I'll open this to the public and I would like to comment on closed public hearing bring it back mr. chairman I'd like to make a motion on this thank you in regards to the appeal at 1356 Kirkway Road for the setback variance for being seven feet away from the president residential structure versus five I move the variance be approved as a request based information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance restrict learn the ordinance will be unduly burdensome because you already have an area where it has a lot of the mechanicals they're already completely screened from public view but at times to make sure that you are properly allowing enough space for each one of those and moved it out there is no injustice to your joint neighbors by the reason of it is completely screened from public view and all those evergreen screens more than exceed the height of the mechanicals unique services of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that again it is a lake lot it already makes it kind of narrow so there's only a certain place we can put those mechanicals and again we already have mechanical space this is not self-created because of the fact that you were just trying to accommodate what was currently being there if approved all applications for permits must be made within five business days and I'm not gonna require additional evergreen screenings because you already have it it but we're just going to maintain that those need to be maintained healthy and up to the hype i have a motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is great thank you have a good evening thank you calling item 737-21 good evening my name is sam yaldo i'm the builder of the house for my brother al and with him is his neighbor rusty the neighbor that's most affected by
applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance restrict learn the ordinance will be unduly burdensome because you already have an area where it has a lot of the mechanicals they're already completely screened from public view but at times to make sure that you are properly allowing enough space for each one of those and moved it out there is no injustice to your joint neighbors by the reason of it is completely screened from public view and all those evergreen screens more than exceed the height of the mechanicals unique services of this property have been demonstrated given the fact that again it is a lake lot it already makes it kind of narrow so there's only a certain place we can put those mechanicals and again we already have mechanical space this is not self-created because of the fact that you were just trying to accommodate what was currently being there if approved all applications for permits must be made within five business days and I'm not gonna require additional evergreen screenings because you already have it it but we're just going to maintain that those need to be maintained healthy and up to the hype i have a motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your request is great thank you have a good evening thank you calling item 737-21 good evening my name is sam yaldo i'm the builder of the house for my brother al and with him is his neighbor rusty the neighbor that's most affected by by this structure to the south i must admit that i dropped the ball because i did not go for a variance when it was required because of my lack of knowledge and i should know better that's all i can say we had a permit for all the kitchen equipment and we installed the kitchen equipment we found the need to protect the equipment with this canopy and we build it then we found out that it's an it's a it's a structure that would require the board of zoning appeals approval and we are here seeking that approval tonight we're willing to do any additional landscaping that may be needed even though we have as you will be seeing from the pictures very heavily landscaped uh 36 foot from the property line the south property you line which is the one most affected and we have the equipment under it. I'll be happy to answer any question or accommodate any additional requirements.
for my brother al and with him is his neighbor rusty the neighbor that's most affected by by this structure to the south i must admit that i dropped the ball because i did not go for a variance when it was required because of my lack of knowledge and i should know better that's all i can say we had a permit for all the kitchen equipment and we installed the kitchen equipment we found the need to protect the equipment with this canopy and we build it then we found out that it's an it's a it's a structure that would require the board of zoning appeals approval and we are here seeking that approval tonight we're willing to do any additional landscaping that may be needed even though we have as you will be seeing from the pictures very heavily landscaped uh 36 foot from the property line the south property you line which is the one most affected and we have the equipment under it. I'll be happy to answer any question or accommodate any additional requirements. Do we have any questions? So there's quite a bit of feedback about the structure and this property so I imagine we're going to get some public comments so why don't we see what we get and you can respond. So I'd like to open the public hearing. Does anyone like to speak on this? All right then we'll close public hearing. Yeah I guess you don't have anyone. So a couple things. Yes. First I appreciate you acknowledging that we made a mistake. People make mistakes. All right that's why we're here. That's okay. But a couple things. Your screening isn't up isn't up to par. So when you show a couple pictures where I can see right into it. The arborvitaes are not tall enough and then I can see from the back structure as well. So some of the emails that we got from neighbors is that they can see it from their property to the back. So we need to screen this uh from both. From the east? Can I get sorry. Yeah so is this it is north. So to the east which is where you have some arborvitaes currently. Yes we do. They're not enough. Okay they need to be.
happy to answer any question or accommodate any additional requirements. Do we have any questions? So there's quite a bit of feedback about the structure and this property so I imagine we're going to get some public comments so why don't we see what we get and you can respond. So I'd like to open the public hearing. Does anyone like to speak on this? All right then we'll close public hearing. Yeah I guess you don't have anyone. So a couple things. Yes. First I appreciate you acknowledging that we made a mistake. People make mistakes. All right that's why we're here. That's okay. But a couple things. Your screening isn't up isn't up to par. So when you show a couple pictures where I can see right into it. The arborvitaes are not tall enough and then I can see from the back structure as well. So some of the emails that we got from neighbors is that they can see it from their property to the back. So we need to screen this uh from both. From the east? Can I get sorry. Yeah so is this it is north. So to the east which is where you have some arborvitaes currently. Yes we do. They're not enough. Okay they need to be. will stagger stagger them and then make them taller because technically because of the way the height is i don't think it's appropriate or enough that's not which again the intent of it has to be screened from all sides so we'll do that that way no gaps no gaps no that so we will put either behind them or in front of them so they're staggered they're staggered enough room for the roots to grow yep and that will alleviate some of the concern because neighbors are seeing it which would be required no matter what you do we're going to do it and then the other one was to the um east neighbors behind you can see this so there are pictures to us where they can see all these accessory items we can we cannot be able to see that regardless of time of year so when i'm looking at that structure you only have it to this side there's still people that can see it in the backyard well as you go farther to the east we have we have planting that turned around should we plant some more right in front of it or right behind we it's all fenced out because it's a pool yeah it's a pool area is it all patio or is there ability to put it's all patio it's all it's all it's all concrete blocks because like right there that's the view i'm trying to see so basically that view people can see from their backyard and that's some of the comments we're going to put
will stagger stagger them and then make them taller because technically because of the way the height is i don't think it's appropriate or enough that's not which again the intent of it has to be screened from all sides so we'll do that that way no gaps no gaps no that so we will put either behind them or in front of them so they're staggered they're staggered enough room for the roots to grow yep and that will alleviate some of the concern because neighbors are seeing it which would be required no matter what you do we're going to do it and then the other one was to the um east neighbors behind you can see this so there are pictures to us where they can see all these accessory items we can we cannot be able to see that regardless of time of year so when i'm looking at that structure you only have it to this side there's still people that can see it in the backyard well as you go farther to the east we have we have planting that turned around should we plant some more right in front of it or right behind we it's all fenced out because it's a pool yeah it's a pool area is it all patio or is there ability to put it's all patio it's all it's all it's all concrete blocks because like right there that's the view i'm trying to see so basically that view people can see from their backyard and that's some of the comments we're going to put perpendicular to those trees in a 90 degree angle a couple rows one behind the other to to to screen from the neighbors they're over 200 feet away by the way at least yeah but that it doesn't matter so again i would and i appreciate what we're doing the forgiveness not asked right so we're gonna we're gonna work together i'm begging for forgiveness so um and again they're going to be more than 12 feet tall your structure is 12 feet okay so then they have to be 12 feet and i'm not trying to be loose with your pocketbook i'm saying this is what i would have said if you would have come to us anyways i'm saved by the dirt because the dirt is elevated with the berm so like four feet are gone i will do nine foot tall so we'll be at 13. if we take a picture and i can't see it and that's great however you get there but i'll do that guaranteed and you can certainly work with the planning building ordinance department somebody from our ordinance department can come out and assist you if you want some assistance because then they can help you make sure so that way they can then help you so that you make sure that you meet all the obligations so that there's no chance that this structure have to go away you bet we'll make sure early spring that will be done so those are just on my comments if anybody else on the board has any so how tall is this
that view people can see from their backyard and that's some of the comments we're going to put perpendicular to those trees in a 90 degree angle a couple rows one behind the other to to to screen from the neighbors they're over 200 feet away by the way at least yeah but that it doesn't matter so again i would and i appreciate what we're doing the forgiveness not asked right so we're gonna we're gonna work together i'm begging for forgiveness so um and again they're going to be more than 12 feet tall your structure is 12 feet okay so then they have to be 12 feet and i'm not trying to be loose with your pocketbook i'm saying this is what i would have said if you would have come to us anyways i'm saved by the dirt because the dirt is elevated with the berm so like four feet are gone i will do nine foot tall so we'll be at 13. if we take a picture and i can't see it and that's great however you get there but i'll do that guaranteed and you can certainly work with the planning building ordinance department somebody from our ordinance department can come out and assist you if you want some assistance because then they can help you make sure so that way they can then help you so that you make sure that you meet all the obligations so that there's no chance that this structure have to go away you bet we'll make sure early spring that will be done so those are just on my comments if anybody else on the board has any so how tall is this 12 foot 12 foot it looks higher yeah it does it just i just thought i wonder if there's something but it's it's tucked into the ground because there's a retaining wall behind it that's at least four feet right to the east and to the south because it's slams up doesn't it yes i'm sorry and the plants are on top so they're above the structure already on the south for sure but i have to probably stagger them right so my dear neighbor there would not see them and we'll do that and then to the east we'll do the exact same thing stagger a couple rows that will be above the height of that of that canopy yeah can you go back or the one picture where you can see it oh yeah yeah yeah whatever whatever Andrew wants it's actually whatever the chairman wants I'm just yeah so sorry slants up to the front is is it is the very highest point of a 12 feet so walk out oh the height of the trees now it's probably only 12 inches slanted so now
will be done so those are just on my comments if anybody else on the board has any so how tall is this 12 foot 12 foot it looks higher yeah it does it just i just thought i wonder if there's something but it's it's tucked into the ground because there's a retaining wall behind it that's at least four feet right to the east and to the south because it's slams up doesn't it yes i'm sorry and the plants are on top so they're above the structure already on the south for sure but i have to probably stagger them right so my dear neighbor there would not see them and we'll do that and then to the east we'll do the exact same thing stagger a couple rows that will be above the height of that of that canopy yeah can you go back or the one picture where you can see it oh yeah yeah yeah whatever whatever Andrew wants it's actually whatever the chairman wants I'm just yeah so sorry slants up to the front is is it is the very highest point of a 12 feet so walk out oh the height of the trees now it's probably only 12 inches slanted so now it's 13 feet yeah how tall is the highest point of that structure the highest point is 12 feet okay highest point is 12 feet guarantee so here's your picture I can see all that room I don't want to be able to see any of that room okay so what I will do for that roof I know I was discussing it with them I'm gonna put an artificial turf over it no no green grass I know I really I appreciate your art this way when you look direct okay three your first plan you are you were me let's go trees remember you're here begging forgiveness i know i see the cavity i see the opening the 12 inch opening those will be all closed up okay and we will be above the highest point on the on the west end perfect all right i just want to make a general comment because we've looked at this property before i know you've got a lot of arborvitae planted around but they're pretty wimpy okay try to get some that are a little bit fatter and okay you know more
out oh the height of the trees now it's probably only 12 inches slanted so now it's 13 feet yeah how tall is the highest point of that structure the highest point is 12 feet okay highest point is 12 feet guarantee so here's your picture I can see all that room I don't want to be able to see any of that room okay so what I will do for that roof I know I was discussing it with them I'm gonna put an artificial turf over it no no green grass I know I really I appreciate your art this way when you look direct okay three your first plan you are you were me let's go trees remember you're here begging forgiveness i know i see the cavity i see the opening the 12 inch opening those will be all closed up okay and we will be above the highest point on the on the west end perfect all right i just want to make a general comment because we've looked at this property before i know you've got a lot of arborvitae planted around but they're pretty wimpy okay try to get some that are a little bit fatter and okay you know more coverage yeah it's supposed to obscure from public view you're not supposed to be able to see in between them like that and i think that's got more of the agitated feedback that we're getting there's a feeling that there is a pattern of non-compliance here so you need to address it appropriately now or you're not going to have these structures are you clear yeah it's got to be a wall so it's got to be a seer from public spaces in between all right so if you have to go in and fill around all the way around think about it because it's not very good right now okay all right i think we're clear because if you have to come back here again because of a notice of violation you're not going to be treated gently no I'm just saying that the screening that you have now is not adequate to understand okay so make
but they're pretty wimpy okay try to get some that are a little bit fatter and okay you know more coverage yeah it's supposed to obscure from public view you're not supposed to be able to see in between them like that and i think that's got more of the agitated feedback that we're getting there's a feeling that there is a pattern of non-compliance here so you need to address it appropriately now or you're not going to have these structures are you clear yeah it's got to be a wall so it's got to be a seer from public spaces in between all right so if you have to go in and fill around all the way around think about it because it's not very good right now okay all right i think we're clear because if you have to come back here again because of a notice of violation you're not going to be treated gently no I'm just saying that the screening that you have now is not adequate to understand okay so make sure that this is obscured from public view are we clear yeah okay are you ready for a motion sure I'll make it in regards to the appeal at 3721 Shallowbrook Drive for the accessory structure of a canopy I move that the request be approved this minute based on the information presented the applicant to demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because this accessory structure I should not be objectionable to nearby residents because it is going to be sufficiently screened with robust evergreens at the height seeking at the height or above the structure to screen it from public view if approved the motion the motion also includes applications for all necessary permits must be made within five business days because it's existing an additional evergreen planting should be required to completely screen the accessory structure from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structure at the time of planting and you want to probably get on that quick but I know what the weather when the weather's permitting I think
that the screening that you have now is not adequate to understand okay so make sure that this is obscured from public view are we clear yeah okay are you ready for a motion sure I'll make it in regards to the appeal at 3721 Shallowbrook Drive for the accessory structure of a canopy I move that the request be approved this minute based on the information presented the applicant to demonstrate compliance with section 42-7.6 standards because this accessory structure I should not be objectionable to nearby residents because it is going to be sufficiently screened with robust evergreens at the height seeking at the height or above the structure to screen it from public view if approved the motion the motion also includes applications for all necessary permits must be made within five business days because it's existing an additional evergreen planting should be required to completely screen the accessory structure from public view and must meet or exceed the height of the structure at the time of planting and you want to probably get on that quick but I know what the weather when the weather's permitting I think we've been going with april april first by april first okay okay so support and again from all avenues i can't see that from shallow brook i can't see it from your neighbor 3741 and any other neighbors if you happen to move you are today the next neighbor can enjoy the same beautiful screener the neighbor to 3700 and the neighbor 3690 we'll be planning the things as mr yaldo said he would do we're gonna do that 3790 and 37 i can't see that way you can enjoy your beautiful kitchen and the people can see beautiful screen so so i'm sorry uh mr neighbor did you want to give some comments or well all right so i think you i think you see where we're going yeah yeah yeah so i i'm assuming you were coming to i was in support of it yeah i mean uh and we're just stating the standard i mean i figured those trees are going to grow in another year or two and but but our ordinance requires it has to be screened at the time at planting so we're just making that point very very clear okay okay all right uh you had a motion support so i motion and
we've been going with april april first by april first okay okay so support and again from all avenues i can't see that from shallow brook i can't see it from your neighbor 3741 and any other neighbors if you happen to move you are today the next neighbor can enjoy the same beautiful screener the neighbor to 3700 and the neighbor 3690 we'll be planning the things as mr yaldo said he would do we're gonna do that 3790 and 37 i can't see that way you can enjoy your beautiful kitchen and the people can see beautiful screen so so i'm sorry uh mr neighbor did you want to give some comments or well all right so i think you i think you see where we're going yeah yeah yeah so i i'm assuming you were coming to i was in support of it yeah i mean uh and we're just stating the standard i mean i figured those trees are going to grow in another year or two and but but our ordinance requires it has to be screened at the time at planting so we're just making that point very very clear okay okay all right uh you had a motion support so i motion and support any other discussion all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your thank you Calling item eight. Good evening. Patrick Funke, Dual Landscape Architecture, 74 West Long Lake, Bloomfield Hills, 4304. I am here this evening on behalf of the Hills of Lone Pine Association. Back in the fall, the association had the Bloomfield Township Police Department, specifically Sergeant Nick Soley and a Deputy Heather. I don't have her last name. I apologize for that. They identified four locations throughout the property that are within a common association property that create opportunities for trespassers onto their property. The association asked us to provide some recommendations for security attaching to some existing fences
just making that point very very clear okay okay all right uh you had a motion support so i motion and support any other discussion all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations your thank you Calling item eight. Good evening. Patrick Funke, Dual Landscape Architecture, 74 West Long Lake, Bloomfield Hills, 4304. I am here this evening on behalf of the Hills of Lone Pine Association. Back in the fall, the association had the Bloomfield Township Police Department, specifically Sergeant Nick Soley and a Deputy Heather. I don't have her last name. I apologize for that. They identified four locations throughout the property that are within a common association property that create opportunities for trespassers onto their property. The association asked us to provide some recommendations for security attaching to some existing fences that are currently six feet high along Echo Road, which are in ornamental aluminum picket fence. We are proposing to fill the gap where the blue sections are one, two, and three, 145 lineal feet connecting to an existing six-foot high ornamental aluminum fence. Number two, 168 lineal feet connecting between the two existing six foot high and then the balance on the south end of 164 lineal feet connecting to another existing fence then along the east by the Lutheran Church it's a heavily vegetated area item number four 325 feet of six foot high black coated vinyl chain link fence in that location that is in the back of the Cross of Christ Lutheran Church near their dumpster enclosure all of the existing or all the proposed fencing and existing fencing is nestled in within existing native vegetation which is very
The association asked us to provide some recommendations for security attaching to some existing fences that are currently six feet high along Echo Road, which are in ornamental aluminum picket fence. We are proposing to fill the gap where the blue sections are one, two, and three, 145 lineal feet connecting to an existing six-foot high ornamental aluminum fence. Number two, 168 lineal feet connecting between the two existing six foot high and then the balance on the south end of 164 lineal feet connecting to another existing fence then along the east by the Lutheran Church it's a heavily vegetated area item number four 325 feet of six foot high black coated vinyl chain link fence in that location that is in the back of the Cross of Christ Lutheran Church near their dumpster enclosure all of the existing or all the proposed fencing and existing fencing is nestled in within existing native vegetation which is very dense and is not visually evident from the adjacent properties nor Echo Road which is a very that is a natural beauty road here in Bloomfield Township the intent is to disguise the fence within the existing wood lots to create a sense of security for the community at first I didn't understand because we typically don't like chain link fence but you just try to match it to the existing that is correct and it is behind a utility area of the Cross it Cross of Christ Lutheran Church A couple questions. So along Echo Road is that ornamental fence you were talking about, the picket style fence. Yes, sir. The chain link fence is behind the church area. Correct. Is that connecting to other chain link fence, or is that just one section of chain link fence? It is not connected, no. So it is just an island of chain link fence in this corner? Correct. To stop people from only going into that corner? I'm being very densely. Why don't you come up and announce yourself?
existing fencing is nestled in within existing native vegetation which is very dense and is not visually evident from the adjacent properties nor Echo Road which is a very that is a natural beauty road here in Bloomfield Township the intent is to disguise the fence within the existing wood lots to create a sense of security for the community at first I didn't understand because we typically don't like chain link fence but you just try to match it to the existing that is correct and it is behind a utility area of the Cross it Cross of Christ Lutheran Church A couple questions. So along Echo Road is that ornamental fence you were talking about, the picket style fence. Yes, sir. The chain link fence is behind the church area. Correct. Is that connecting to other chain link fence, or is that just one section of chain link fence? It is not connected, no. So it is just an island of chain link fence in this corner? Correct. To stop people from only going into that corner? I'm being very densely. Why don't you come up and announce yourself? I don't understand. Hi, my name is Jeff Dizek. I live at 1132 Woburn Green in the hills of Lone Pine. I live actually in back of that, behind the church. And we have, it's a very densely wooded area there. And the fencing we're going to put is going to probably be within that densely wooded area. We do have people that walk over from the church into our community. And we have the same issue on Echo Road. Some of our residents' houses are no more than 20 feet from Echo Road. And where some of our annual meeting this year, when we discussed this, they talked about how they've had people knock on their doors trying to sell them things. So the Echo Road area also is people can just walk. right off the road into our community. And with what's been going on in this world and the burglarlies and all that, that's why we had the Bloomfield Hills Township Police come out and look at us for security reasons,
I'm being very densely. Why don't you come up and announce yourself? I don't understand. Hi, my name is Jeff Dizek. I live at 1132 Woburn Green in the hills of Lone Pine. I live actually in back of that, behind the church. And we have, it's a very densely wooded area there. And the fencing we're going to put is going to probably be within that densely wooded area. We do have people that walk over from the church into our community. And we have the same issue on Echo Road. Some of our residents' houses are no more than 20 feet from Echo Road. And where some of our annual meeting this year, when we discussed this, they talked about how they've had people knock on their doors trying to sell them things. So the Echo Road area also is people can just walk. right off the road into our community. And with what's been going on in this world and the burglarlies and all that, that's why we had the Bloomfield Hills Township Police come out and look at us for security reasons, and this is what their recommendations were for us. And I can say, I lived at 4901 Susan's Way, across the street for 28 years, okay? And I know for a fact that people are going down, parking on the dirt Echo Road and cutting into you guys' subdivision, okay? I could see it. So I recognize you do have an issue with that. And it is also very, very dense in terms of the landscaping to obscure any fence you might put in there. Correct. And the reason we're asking is the six-foot is two things. One, we already have six-foot fence there, but I also, to be honest, want the intimidation factor. I mean, I know when I was maybe 30 or 40, I could grab a four-foot fence and hurdle over it, not these days, but I think a six-foot fence, somebody's not just going to grab the top of it and jump over to get in our community. They'd have to really want to get over that fence. They're really going to have to want to get in there. They'd have to train for that. Basically, in these type of things, you're trying to keep the honest honest and not give them that opportunity. If somebody's a real thief and they want to get in, they're going to find their way. Okay. Okay.
come out and look at us for security reasons, and this is what their recommendations were for us. And I can say, I lived at 4901 Susan's Way, across the street for 28 years, okay? And I know for a fact that people are going down, parking on the dirt Echo Road and cutting into you guys' subdivision, okay? I could see it. So I recognize you do have an issue with that. And it is also very, very dense in terms of the landscaping to obscure any fence you might put in there. Correct. And the reason we're asking is the six-foot is two things. One, we already have six-foot fence there, but I also, to be honest, want the intimidation factor. I mean, I know when I was maybe 30 or 40, I could grab a four-foot fence and hurdle over it, not these days, but I think a six-foot fence, somebody's not just going to grab the top of it and jump over to get in our community. They'd have to really want to get over that fence. They're really going to have to want to get in there. They'd have to train for that. Basically, in these type of things, you're trying to keep the honest honest and not give them that opportunity. If somebody's a real thief and they want to get in, they're going to find their way. Okay. Okay. We understand that, but we just want to try and just make it as intimidating as possible. And if I may add, it is, I mean, typically in this situation, we as landscape architects, we've worked for many of the homeowners in the development as well as the association. We would typically propose additional plantings. It is so dense. There's no light. I couldn't grow anything. So I took dozens of photos, Andrea knows, and it was a challenge to even take photos, honestly. It is that dense. So I have a question. Yes. Is the reason you're going chain link fence for economics because it's less costly in that spot? In that area, I would say yes because you're not going to be able to see it. The only reason I'm asking that is a chain link fence is more scalable than the other fence. So, yeah, climbing the fence when you're younger is easier, but if it's chain link, someone can climb it easier than they can a picket fence. Yes, I agree. I agree. It's just, again, that area is pretty densely, and we're just trying to keep the honest on us and say, hey, you're not, don't come through this area.
We understand that, but we just want to try and just make it as intimidating as possible. And if I may add, it is, I mean, typically in this situation, we as landscape architects, we've worked for many of the homeowners in the development as well as the association. We would typically propose additional plantings. It is so dense. There's no light. I couldn't grow anything. So I took dozens of photos, Andrea knows, and it was a challenge to even take photos, honestly. It is that dense. So I have a question. Yes. Is the reason you're going chain link fence for economics because it's less costly in that spot? In that area, I would say yes because you're not going to be able to see it. The only reason I'm asking that is a chain link fence is more scalable than the other fence. So, yeah, climbing the fence when you're younger is easier, but if it's chain link, someone can climb it easier than they can a picket fence. Yes, I agree. I agree. It's just, again, that area is pretty densely, and we're just trying to keep the honest on us and say, hey, you're not, don't come through this area. And it's going to be, we want that to be six feet too. I mean, yeah, somebody could, if they really wanted to, could come in with wire cutters and probably cut it, but it's also going to be coated. It's going to be black coated. It's going to be black coated. So it's not going to, yeah, I still think it would not be easy, but I understand what you're saying. We could consider a pool code mesh for that inch and a quarter, which would, rather than your two inch diameter normal mesh, if the board elects to consider approval for this fence, we could write in there that it should be inch and a quarter mesh, which is a pool code mesh for people not to have, be able to put their toes into the climate. I think that's a better idea. Sounds great. All right, so I'll open this to the public, although I guess we can actually get a comment. Anyone else like to comment on it? Close the public hearing and bring it back. Because it's really, it's a safety fix. Yeah, it's all of us. This is really, this is, we've really not had such a clear cut example of a need for security. It's business fence.
It's just, again, that area is pretty densely, and we're just trying to keep the honest on us and say, hey, you're not, don't come through this area. And it's going to be, we want that to be six feet too. I mean, yeah, somebody could, if they really wanted to, could come in with wire cutters and probably cut it, but it's also going to be coated. It's going to be black coated. It's going to be black coated. So it's not going to, yeah, I still think it would not be easy, but I understand what you're saying. We could consider a pool code mesh for that inch and a quarter, which would, rather than your two inch diameter normal mesh, if the board elects to consider approval for this fence, we could write in there that it should be inch and a quarter mesh, which is a pool code mesh for people not to have, be able to put their toes into the climate. I think that's a better idea. Sounds great. All right, so I'll open this to the public, although I guess we can actually get a comment. Anyone else like to comment on it? Close the public hearing and bring it back. Because it's really, it's a safety fix. Yeah, it's all of us. This is really, this is, we've really not had such a clear cut example of a need for security. It's business fence. All right. I can speak. With respect to the property, I don't know. I'm pretty rusty. Located at 1200 Lone Pine Road. I would move to grant the request for a dimensional variance for the required fences to exceed four feet in height in the locations shown in the application and of the type shown in the application and as represented tonight. The applicant has demonstrated practical difficulty. Colleagues. This is a unique situation that actually this property has frontage on three roads. One of the roads is a natural beauty road, and it's not very highly traveled, and it sort of is conducive for somebody to go and try to enter that way. And the fence is required for security purposes. The fence will be heavily screened by the existing vegetation, so it will not be seen, but it will provide the security needed. And those are the unique circumstances related to this property. There's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors. I wasn't a adjoining neighbor in these areas. There really is no neighbor that will be able to see these fences, and it's not self-created. If approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, all permits must be obtained prior to construction, and I won't require any additional plantings.
It's business fence. All right. I can speak. With respect to the property, I don't know. I'm pretty rusty. Located at 1200 Lone Pine Road. I would move to grant the request for a dimensional variance for the required fences to exceed four feet in height in the locations shown in the application and of the type shown in the application and as represented tonight. The applicant has demonstrated practical difficulty. Colleagues. This is a unique situation that actually this property has frontage on three roads. One of the roads is a natural beauty road, and it's not very highly traveled, and it sort of is conducive for somebody to go and try to enter that way. And the fence is required for security purposes. The fence will be heavily screened by the existing vegetation, so it will not be seen, but it will provide the security needed. And those are the unique circumstances related to this property. There's no injustice to the adjoining neighbors. I wasn't a adjoining neighbor in these areas. There really is no neighbor that will be able to see these fences, and it's not self-created. If approved application for all necessary permits must be made within one year, all permits must be obtained prior to construction, and I won't require any additional plantings. Support. Motion and support, any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request is granted. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Calling next item, item 9, 1750 Saxon. Hello, my name's Joe Fontanese. I live at 20160 Village Drive, Beverly Hills. I'm the president of Birmingham Country Club, which this is the property for, and we're seeking basically a hardship variance to put our new generator in the front of the property in lieu of the back of the office. gens 바fters. the property because there's nowhere in the back of the property to put it we're putting it basically right in front of our loading dock area worked with cory and and tom to make sure that the fencing was proper we're over 700 feet to the nearest neighbor so there's no issue there sound is not an issue we're actually purchased a cummings generator with a sound acoustical package to it to make sure it's quiet we submitted sound data with it um the application and we're just looking
all permits must be obtained prior to construction, and I won't require any additional plantings. Support. Motion and support, any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request is granted. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Calling next item, item 9, 1750 Saxon. Hello, my name's Joe Fontanese. I live at 20160 Village Drive, Beverly Hills. I'm the president of Birmingham Country Club, which this is the property for, and we're seeking basically a hardship variance to put our new generator in the front of the property in lieu of the back of the office. gens 바fters. the property because there's nowhere in the back of the property to put it we're putting it basically right in front of our loading dock area worked with cory and and tom to make sure that the fencing was proper we're over 700 feet to the nearest neighbor so there's no issue there sound is not an issue we're actually purchased a cummings generator with a sound acoustical package to it to make sure it's quiet we submitted sound data with it um the application and we're just looking for approval to get going so it's the red mark in the lower right corner there it's actually the star that's kind of the summer so okay all right all right so is this uh didn't we approve another generator for you uh it was like last year or the year before that that's over that was for the carts that was for yes yeah that's for your that was a little one this one's for the whole clubhouse okay okay and that little one was along basically the birmingham neighbors yes yeah yeah yeah that's what i remember so there's a lot more feedback on that one yeah we're trying to upset everybody yeah so i was trying to figure out a generator a year so that's good all right well this is the public anyone like to comment on this okay close public here and bring it back mr chair i'll make a motion with regard to the appeal at 1750 Saxon Drive for the dimensional variance to include hang on here the generator to be located in the front yard I move that the barriers be approved as requested based on information presented the applicant did
it to make sure it's quiet we submitted sound data with it um the application and we're just looking for approval to get going so it's the red mark in the lower right corner there it's actually the star that's kind of the summer so okay all right all right so is this uh didn't we approve another generator for you uh it was like last year or the year before that that's over that was for the carts that was for yes yeah that's for your that was a little one this one's for the whole clubhouse okay okay and that little one was along basically the birmingham neighbors yes yeah yeah yeah that's what i remember so there's a lot more feedback on that one yeah we're trying to upset everybody yeah so i was trying to figure out a generator a year so that's good all right well this is the public anyone like to comment on this okay close public here and bring it back mr chair i'll make a motion with regard to the appeal at 1750 Saxon Drive for the dimensional variance to include hang on here the generator to be located in the front yard I move that the barriers be approved as requested based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance the strict letter the ordinance be duly burdensome due to the fact that you know they have a lot of neighbors around them and the location they've chose is lesson is the least intrusive to all the neighbors and there's and because of this it's no injustice to joining neighbors unique circumstances the property have been demonstrated considering there are multiple locations this could go and this appears to be the best one and as a result is not self-created so if approved the motion must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the generator for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the generator at the time of planting support I have a motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations appreciate it did you lose any trees this winter due to the cold oh a few a couple yeah yeah yeah because of the storms in the cold yeah yes so some other clubs did too that's a shame okay all right good luck thank you we'll see you yeah I know nowhere near
approved as requested based on information presented the applicant did demonstrate all standards for practical difficulty because compliance the strict letter the ordinance be duly burdensome due to the fact that you know they have a lot of neighbors around them and the location they've chose is lesson is the least intrusive to all the neighbors and there's and because of this it's no injustice to joining neighbors unique circumstances the property have been demonstrated considering there are multiple locations this could go and this appears to be the best one and as a result is not self-created so if approved the motion must include application for all necessary permits to be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction additional evergreen planting shall be required to completely screen the generator for public view and must meet or exceed the height of the generator at the time of planting support I have a motion and support any discussion all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed congratulations appreciate it did you lose any trees this winter due to the cold oh a few a couple yeah yeah yeah because of the storms in the cold yeah yes so some other clubs did too that's a shame okay all right good luck thank you we'll see you yeah I know nowhere near all right all right item 10. 880 970 west long lake good evening board my name is tim wood with the wack and frost engineers i'm the consultant civil engineer for the project the ross animal hospital the project in itself is for the demolition of the dry cleaner building as well as the existing animal hospital the existing animal hospital is only 18.8 feet currently from the neighboring property to the north and the project is to demolish both buildings combine the lots and then do a new and improved animal hospital so basically what we're here for is a variance for the 200 foot setback to the most nearby adjacent neighboring property which is residential the ordinance indicates that a 200 foot setback is required for any animal hospital or similar use to the nearest residential property the property is only 200 feet deep so from the road back is only 200 feet deep the as noted previously there is an existing non-conformity which is the existing
all right all right item 10. 880 970 west long lake good evening board my name is tim wood with the wack and frost engineers i'm the consultant civil engineer for the project the ross animal hospital the project in itself is for the demolition of the dry cleaner building as well as the existing animal hospital the existing animal hospital is only 18.8 feet currently from the neighboring property to the north and the project is to demolish both buildings combine the lots and then do a new and improved animal hospital so basically what we're here for is a variance for the 200 foot setback to the most nearby adjacent neighboring property which is residential the ordinance indicates that a 200 foot setback is required for any animal hospital or similar use to the nearest residential property the property is only 200 feet deep so from the road back is only 200 feet deep the as noted previously there is an existing non-conformity which is the existing building being within 18.8 feet of that property line this would increase that setback it would maximize the setback you for the size of the lot and they would increase it to 63.98 feet for that building on that site additionally i'm expecting that there may be a public comment here and i know that there was some comment from the neighbor to the north at the planning commission meeting and the concern was with the benches and the seating area at the northeast corner of the property i don't believe it was noted in the packet agenda but i did provide a submittal to mr christensen on monday of last week that eliminated the picnic table and the bench area and the seating area at that northeast corner which should be in favor of the property owner to the north additionally we're meeting all requirements for screening including a six quote masonry screen wall on the north side of the property line the neighbor's property to the north has a dense landscape screening in place already so we're proposing that additional um screen wall to that so i'm here to answer any
200 feet deep the as noted previously there is an existing non-conformity which is the existing building being within 18.8 feet of that property line this would increase that setback it would maximize the setback you for the size of the lot and they would increase it to 63.98 feet for that building on that site additionally i'm expecting that there may be a public comment here and i know that there was some comment from the neighbor to the north at the planning commission meeting and the concern was with the benches and the seating area at the northeast corner of the property i don't believe it was noted in the packet agenda but i did provide a submittal to mr christensen on monday of last week that eliminated the picnic table and the bench area and the seating area at that northeast corner which should be in favor of the property owner to the north additionally we're meeting all requirements for screening including a six quote masonry screen wall on the north side of the property line the neighbor's property to the north has a dense landscape screening in place already so we're proposing that additional um screen wall to that so i'm here to answer any questions i'll be happy to take those well and as i was going over uh this item with the staff this morning uh we're i believe that 200 foot uh setback assumed some outdoor uh space for the animals uh to go and there is no outdoor space here so some of it was i think you know create a buffer for noise and and that is not the case here and there's also no unless it's an emergency no overnight there's no boarding or no overnight stay for the animals at the hospital is that is that correct that's correct um and just a point of clarification clarification there is a fence in area along the west side of the building that may possibly be used for that if it is needed because sometimes that need does occur um so that is there and it's enclosed it's not like there's play time and there's a no yeah they're you know everyone all the animals are out right it's one at a time if needed and then there's
already so we're proposing that additional um screen wall to that so i'm here to answer any questions i'll be happy to take those well and as i was going over uh this item with the staff this morning uh we're i believe that 200 foot uh setback assumed some outdoor uh space for the animals uh to go and there is no outdoor space here so some of it was i think you know create a buffer for noise and and that is not the case here and there's also no unless it's an emergency no overnight there's no boarding or no overnight stay for the animals at the hospital is that is that correct that's correct um and just a point of clarification clarification there is a fence in area along the west side of the building that may possibly be used for that if it is needed because sometimes that need does occur um so that is there and it's enclosed it's not like there's play time and there's a no yeah they're you know everyone all the animals are out right it's one at a time if needed and then there's nothing overnight no overnight boarding or staying yeah all right any questions moments to the public anyone would like to speak hi john clicker with 881 uh south pemberton road which is the property just there to the north um our comment when you already addressed it i guess so um but it was the northeast corner there where the pet relief and sitting area would be um that was our main comment uh we didn't see in the updated packet here that that was changed so uh that'll be updated when we go to the township board for final consideration okay um because um that was a great question you you you you you you you Thank you. stated so that because that's not before the board tonight but we will make sure that that's addressed okay yeah sounds good and then the other comment we had so the lot to the north there which in this picture looks fully wooded has has since been cleared um looks like for a next residential property to go in there so our other comment was request would be if possible for the wall on the north to go from six feet to eight feet just to help with some of the screening but those were all the comments okay thank you thank you
you know everyone all the animals are out right it's one at a time if needed and then there's nothing overnight no overnight boarding or staying yeah all right any questions moments to the public anyone would like to speak hi john clicker with 881 uh south pemberton road which is the property just there to the north um our comment when you already addressed it i guess so um but it was the northeast corner there where the pet relief and sitting area would be um that was our main comment uh we didn't see in the updated packet here that that was changed so uh that'll be updated when we go to the township board for final consideration okay um because um that was a great question you you you you you you you Thank you. stated so that because that's not before the board tonight but we will make sure that that's addressed okay yeah sounds good and then the other comment we had so the lot to the north there which in this picture looks fully wooded has has since been cleared um looks like for a next residential property to go in there so our other comment was request would be if possible for the wall on the north to go from six feet to eight feet just to help with some of the screening but those were all the comments okay thank you thank you all right if you wouldn't mind sticking around i'd show you that the current plans that illuminated i'd be happy to share that with you um as far as the wall if that were a condition i'm sure the owner would consider it i don't know require a variance um to exceed we don't we don't generally approve eight foot walls yeah we don't typically have okay so any other questions you ready ready to bring it home with the last motion okay i'll make a i'll make a motion i knew you'd have the energy to do it there all right sir um in regard to the appeal um at 880 and 970 west long lake road um for the setback variance uh I move the variance be approved as requested based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all of the standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome given the fact that we only have 200 feet to work with and we are improving the setback by sounds like approximately 50, 40 or 50 feet.
were all the comments okay thank you thank you all right if you wouldn't mind sticking around i'd show you that the current plans that illuminated i'd be happy to share that with you um as far as the wall if that were a condition i'm sure the owner would consider it i don't know require a variance um to exceed we don't we don't generally approve eight foot walls yeah we don't typically have okay so any other questions you ready ready to bring it home with the last motion okay i'll make a i'll make a motion i knew you'd have the energy to do it there all right sir um in regard to the appeal um at 880 and 970 west long lake road um for the setback variance uh I move the variance be approved as requested based on the information presented. The applicant did demonstrate all of the standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome given the fact that we only have 200 feet to work with and we are improving the setback by sounds like approximately 50, 40 or 50 feet. So we are improving the current situation. There is no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the fact that we're not overreaching the current bounds of development that's already in place, you know, given the two buildings that are being combined together. Unique circumstances with the property have been demonstrated given the discussion we've just had and obviously once again for those same reasons it's not self-created. Um, let's see. Uh, let me just scroll down here. Uh, if approved, uh, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Support. I have a motion in support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request is granted. Thank you. So do we have a motion to adjourn? No. Are you doing election of officers? We did it last time. We did it last time. I'm just reading the agenda. You're the empress. Did they not tell you that? No, we did that last time. You're the new vice chair. She did not. See? So do we have a motion?
The applicant did demonstrate all of the standards for practical difficulty because compliance with the strict letter of the ordinance would be unduly burdensome given the fact that we only have 200 feet to work with and we are improving the setback by sounds like approximately 50, 40 or 50 feet. So we are improving the current situation. There is no injustice to the adjoining neighbors by the fact that we're not overreaching the current bounds of development that's already in place, you know, given the two buildings that are being combined together. Unique circumstances with the property have been demonstrated given the discussion we've just had and obviously once again for those same reasons it's not self-created. Um, let's see. Uh, let me just scroll down here. Uh, if approved, uh, application for all necessary permits must be made within one year and all permits must be obtained prior to construction. Support. I have a motion in support. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Your request is granted. Thank you. So do we have a motion to adjourn? No. Are you doing election of officers? We did it last time. We did it last time. I'm just reading the agenda. You're the empress. Did they not tell you that? No, we did that last time. You're the new vice chair. She did not. See? So do we have a motion? No, I'm just kidding. I'm surprised. Do I have a motion to adjourn? So moved, Mr. Chair. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We're adjourned.