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Road Advisory Committee Thursday, October 2, 2025 · 63 min

Bloomfield Township Road Advisory Committee Meeting on October 1, 2025

Summary

The city council discussed road conditions, funding, and maintenance in Bloomfield Township, considering updates to maps, reports, and presentations, as well as potential solutions and collaborations with the Road Commission.

  • Discussed road conditions and funding in Bloomfield Township
  • Considered updates to maps and reports on road conditions
  • Explored potential solutions for road maintenance and funding
  • Discussed collaborations with the Road Commission
  • Formed a deer advisory committee to address deer management and road priorities

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  1. October 1st, Road Advisory Committee meeting. First order of business we have is to the approval of the minutes from two different sessions. We didn't do them together, there's no reason why we can't. So we have the minutes from 9-3 and the minutes from 9-17. I so move the minutes as circulated for 9-3, 20-25, 9-17, 20-25, be important. Moved and seconded, all those in favor? Aye. Opposed. All right. We have a quorum here. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, we're going to see two. But we still, if we take a vote, it'll still have to be five out of seven. Or is it? Not just a simple majority who's here. It's got to be a whole group. All right. So what we really have to do today is a work session, review of the outline. Now, did you, do you have the draft of the presentation? Ah, okay. Ta-da. That's what I, okay, good, you do. So this, I got this, I guess you didn't. I thought it went to everybody. It did. Sue sent it out on the 29th, I thought to everybody. To everybody? I thought so. Okay. You didn't see it? No, I didn't. I don't think so. No. But I did. I got it. That was the other committee that's. Okay. So you're going to, I'll just text her and tell her you guys didn't get it, okay? All right. But we can go through it. Yeah. Um. and i think that this is i went through it already and it's it's really good but there may be other things and i know and and jeff i want you to talk about what you what you called me about too so let's let's just start with this um this will be this cover sheet then what i want in the introduction we'll go back to the cover sheet a second i want to introduce the the subject and of course this is it's great this shows i don't know which road this is but it's perfect yeah yeah maybe the one maybe uh we have so many like that yeah it's familiar can't do this define perfect for transport or for so what i intend to do is introduce that and then we can talk about the formation of the uh this group how it got started and then i'd like to introduce the members um not individually but it'll be on the board the names and i'm just going to say that everybody's here and when i read your name you know raise your hand when i read the name if you're here uh and then from there i want to talk about i want to have all right go to the go to the next one

  2. Sue sent it out on the 29th, I thought to everybody. To everybody? I thought so. Okay. You didn't see it? No, I didn't. I don't think so. No. But I did. I got it. That was the other committee that's. Okay. So you're going to, I'll just text her and tell her you guys didn't get it, okay? All right. But we can go through it. Yeah. Um. and i think that this is i went through it already and it's it's really good but there may be other things and i know and and jeff i want you to talk about what you what you called me about too so let's let's just start with this um this will be this cover sheet then what i want in the introduction we'll go back to the cover sheet a second i want to introduce the the subject and of course this is it's great this shows i don't know which road this is but it's perfect yeah yeah maybe the one maybe uh we have so many like that yeah it's familiar can't do this define perfect for transport or for so what i intend to do is introduce that and then we can talk about the formation of the uh this group how it got started and then i'd like to introduce the members um not individually but it'll be on the board the names and i'm just going to say that everybody's here and when i read your name you know raise your hand when i read the name if you're here uh and then from there i want to talk about i want to have all right go to the go to the next one okay that she you know what there was a one another one in several in between oh i say after that okay well these are going to be reversed all right we're gonna i'm gonna do you want to do it or should i wait until i talk to sue you're making notes and you're all right i i got it okay so then the next slide really after the main slide is this you don't see it on there um if you it's a pic either a picture of all of us who are that right there and our names and and hopefully you'll all be sitting out here whatever and when i read the names you know okay and then introduce what uh what we started to do but that but what i wanted i wanted to have is the next slide the one before this one in this presentation reverse the order yeah well i'm going to reverse that and do it um and say under the heading of a picture is worth a thousand words this is the pacer report called the pacer p-a-s-e-r it's not ours it's done by royal royal commission woken county we just took this it's not we didn't make this and i'm going to say these are all the roads in in bloomfield township all the the local roads meaning and it's going to define what i'm going to define local saying that

  3. here uh and then from there i want to talk about i want to have all right go to the go to the next one okay that she you know what there was a one another one in several in between oh i say after that okay well these are going to be reversed all right we're gonna i'm gonna do you want to do it or should i wait until i talk to sue you're making notes and you're all right i i got it okay so then the next slide really after the main slide is this you don't see it on there um if you it's a pic either a picture of all of us who are that right there and our names and and hopefully you'll all be sitting out here whatever and when i read the names you know okay and then introduce what uh what we started to do but that but what i wanted i wanted to have is the next slide the one before this one in this presentation reverse the order yeah well i'm going to reverse that and do it um and say under the heading of a picture is worth a thousand words this is the pacer report called the pacer p-a-s-e-r it's not ours it's done by royal royal commission woken county we just took this it's not we didn't make this and i'm going to say these are all the roads in in bloomfield township all the the local roads meaning and it's going to define what i'm going to define local saying that that's subdivision road so once if you drive out of your driveway on you push your baby cat whatever and then then i'm going to say that green is a good road yellow is fair and red is is poor and needs replacement and look at all the red we have to update that i know well i get it there's okay well no no you mean after the bloomfield village stuff you mean now before okay i thought this was the most the most up-to-date we had well they should have i i downloaded it from some cog two weeks ago okay all right so let's see if we can get an update everything for the data engineering and ask them for an updated to see what they have okay okay that's that's the latest subject all i'm saying is we'll have people hopefully in the audience right if they're paying attention yeah they're going to you're going to want to well i will if we get this this one if this was what we have i'm going to just tell them this is an older map that has some updates in it but the point is that look at all the red i'm not i'm just saying there's a more current picture okay the point of clarification is they're evaluated every three years

  4. all the the local roads meaning and it's going to define what i'm going to define local saying that that's subdivision road so once if you drive out of your driveway on you push your baby cat whatever and then then i'm going to say that green is a good road yellow is fair and red is is poor and needs replacement and look at all the red we have to update that i know well i get it there's okay well no no you mean after the bloomfield village stuff you mean now before okay i thought this was the most the most up-to-date we had well they should have i i downloaded it from some cog two weeks ago okay all right so let's see if we can get an update everything for the data engineering and ask them for an updated to see what they have okay okay that's that's the latest subject all i'm saying is we'll have people hopefully in the audience right if they're paying attention yeah they're going to you're going to want to well i will if we get this this one if this was what we have i'm going to just tell them this is an older map that has some updates in it but the point is that look at all the red i'm not i'm just saying there's a more current picture okay the point of clarification is they're evaluated every three years so that if you've got something that's been updated since the evaluation was done it's not going to reflect in any chart they're not they're not active it's over the last three three year period this is the condition of the road no i i'm not debating that you guys what i'm saying is we want to be informed and educated in front of our audience the audience we hope you're going to have are very current on all of these things we're talking about they're just not in front of you right now so if we don't look like we we have to at least acknowledge that we have a more current there's a more current picture than this and we know that and it's slightly improved beyond this so that we have credibility you know so we acknowledge it at the bottom of that it says it paid from a condition as of it said 2024 so it's just the latest and greatest but there's been work since then yeah because our conversation is current right right right right right conversation so we're trying to get the most up-to-date yeah and we just need to acknowledge it and if we don't then i will do just what you said yeah yeah Fine, thank you. Sounds good. You're exactly right. A good point. That is a good point, Jeff. And all you need to say is, but it's not material to what we're seeing here. There have been some updates, but it's not material. We're still over 80%. Yeah, I'm not arguing that.

  5. okay the point of clarification is they're evaluated every three years so that if you've got something that's been updated since the evaluation was done it's not going to reflect in any chart they're not they're not active it's over the last three three year period this is the condition of the road no i i'm not debating that you guys what i'm saying is we want to be informed and educated in front of our audience the audience we hope you're going to have are very current on all of these things we're talking about they're just not in front of you right now so if we don't look like we we have to at least acknowledge that we have a more current there's a more current picture than this and we know that and it's slightly improved beyond this so that we have credibility you know so we acknowledge it at the bottom of that it says it paid from a condition as of it said 2024 so it's just the latest and greatest but there's been work since then yeah because our conversation is current right right right right right conversation so we're trying to get the most up-to-date yeah and we just need to acknowledge it and if we don't then i will do just what you said yeah yeah Fine, thank you. Sounds good. You're exactly right. A good point. That is a good point, Jeff. And all you need to say is, but it's not material to what we're seeing here. There have been some updates, but it's not material. We're still over 80%. Yeah, I'm not arguing that. Okay, I'm got you. All right, I'm just trying to ensure we have credibility. You're right. You're saying that it is worse than what it is now. Because it's at 24, 26, 25 is probably worse than what it is. No, it's improved. No, it's improved. It's improved. But it's done every three years, right? That's just- Right. Okay, all right, we will do exactly what you said. You're right, I agree. But what I want to say is, and what I want to make, the point that I want to make is that I know, just so you know, most people in the township don't understand that the county owns all those roads. They don't. They still think that the township does, I think most people don't. That's the point I want to clarify. Well, I'm going to say, and whatever I say in these things, I'm going to say this is going to be more later. Okay. You're going to, it'll be way more detailed later. But I wanted to make it a point that the two points on this visual, all the red. Number two, all these roads are owned by the county. We have no, the township has no ownership, no control over anything that goes on in these roads. And I'm going to make the point, just so you know what's coming. I'm going to say, can you imagine if the tenant in my commercial building, that one in Royal Oak, it called me and said, your roof is leaking.

  6. Yeah, I'm not arguing that. Okay, I'm got you. All right, I'm just trying to ensure we have credibility. You're right. You're saying that it is worse than what it is now. Because it's at 24, 26, 25 is probably worse than what it is. No, it's improved. No, it's improved. It's improved. But it's done every three years, right? That's just- Right. Okay, all right, we will do exactly what you said. You're right, I agree. But what I want to say is, and what I want to make, the point that I want to make is that I know, just so you know, most people in the township don't understand that the county owns all those roads. They don't. They still think that the township does, I think most people don't. That's the point I want to clarify. Well, I'm going to say, and whatever I say in these things, I'm going to say this is going to be more later. Okay. You're going to, it'll be way more detailed later. But I wanted to make it a point that the two points on this visual, all the red. Number two, all these roads are owned by the county. We have no, the township has no ownership, no control over anything that goes on in these roads. And I'm going to make the point, just so you know what's coming. I'm going to say, can you imagine if the tenant in my commercial building, that one in Royal Oak, it called me and said, your roof is leaking. fix it and I said well you're using it you fix it how long is that how do you think that would fly so I think I want because I want to make that point but I'm gonna say again that there'll be more coming you know more detail on all this stuff coming as the reports go on okay so then the next slide that's the one okay okay then this is the history I'm going to talk about that how it was formed and who we are and just touch on that and then we say that we the first thing we did was to create a mission statement and there see that's you put she put that right in the right place and we'll talk about that a little bit and moving on move to the next after the mission statement okay then I'm going to say just tell people what we've done that we've been working for the last six months roughly and we've met every plan and all this and I'll just touch on that and and then say that you know and then after after that I think then we're gonna just before we get to the reports each one I'll introduce I'll say that we have the the the four reports coming if that's what we decide to do and I'm just

  7. fix it and I said well you're using it you fix it how long is that how do you think that would fly so I think I want because I want to make that point but I'm gonna say again that there'll be more coming you know more detail on all this stuff coming as the reports go on okay so then the next slide that's the one okay okay then this is the history I'm going to talk about that how it was formed and who we are and just touch on that and then we say that we the first thing we did was to create a mission statement and there see that's you put she put that right in the right place and we'll talk about that a little bit and moving on move to the next after the mission statement okay then I'm going to say just tell people what we've done that we've been working for the last six months roughly and we've met every plan and all this and I'll just touch on that and and then say that you know and then after after that I think then we're gonna just before we get to the reports each one I'll introduce I'll say that we have the the the four reports coming if that's what we decide to do and I'm just saying just so you know this is not and I'm gonna use that that quote that you know we're just starting here that this is not the end it's not that yeah yeah whatever that quote is that I like and then then just turn it over to the first and then the next slide is the current Situation Township. And John, I think that's you, right? Correct, yep. And I'll go through the descriptions of how the ratings have been defined so that everybody has an understanding of what's green, red, and yellow on the charts. But you can see what the evaluations are from 1 to 10, what the recommended treatment would be if it's asphalt, what the recommendation would be if it's concrete pavement, and then the groupings for our charts, for the PASER charts themselves, are just looped together with the 8 through 10 are good, 5 through 7 are fair, and 1 through 4 are rated as poor. Jeff? Yes. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Wouldn't it make sense for us to present the current status of the roads, like who controls what before we get into this part? Would that make sense? I think that's in his report. That's in my text. That's in his report. I don't know if she puts that in there.

  8. have the the the four reports coming if that's what we decide to do and I'm just saying just so you know this is not and I'm gonna use that that quote that you know we're just starting here that this is not the end it's not that yeah yeah whatever that quote is that I like and then then just turn it over to the first and then the next slide is the current Situation Township. And John, I think that's you, right? Correct, yep. And I'll go through the descriptions of how the ratings have been defined so that everybody has an understanding of what's green, red, and yellow on the charts. But you can see what the evaluations are from 1 to 10, what the recommended treatment would be if it's asphalt, what the recommendation would be if it's concrete pavement, and then the groupings for our charts, for the PASER charts themselves, are just looped together with the 8 through 10 are good, 5 through 7 are fair, and 1 through 4 are rated as poor. Jeff? Yes. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Wouldn't it make sense for us to present the current status of the roads, like who controls what before we get into this part? Would that make sense? I think that's in his report. That's in my text. That's in his report. I don't know if she puts that in there. What we did is go through and say, you know, the jurisdiction of the county commission is responsible for the roads and the township, that sort of monkey business. Would that make sense to put that before this? Well, in my introduction, I do say that. Okay. I bring that up, but I say more detail to follow. All right. So it is mentioned, people understand that, because that's one of the things that I said. Most people in the township don't understand that at all. That's why I wanted to make a point. Well, I'm just throwing it out there. seems to be, you present the landscape first before you start getting into what trees are in the landscape. So anyway, just a point, okay, we're gonna say that multiple times, I'm sure. Let's see the other slides and maybe we can shuffle the deck. Yeah, go ahead. Next slide. Yeah, because I haven't seen this, I don't know what all she's put in. Yeah, so it's this stuff, or who has what responsibility? Okay, stuff needs to move around. Yeah, so I brought up the point that the condition of major highways are, major highways are defined as ones that are United States highways, Michigan highways, or interstate highways. For example, I-75 we all know about, M24 being

  9. I don't know if she puts that in there. What we did is go through and say, you know, the jurisdiction of the county commission is responsible for the roads and the township, that sort of monkey business. Would that make sense to put that before this? Well, in my introduction, I do say that. Okay. I bring that up, but I say more detail to follow. All right. So it is mentioned, people understand that, because that's one of the things that I said. Most people in the township don't understand that at all. That's why I wanted to make a point. Well, I'm just throwing it out there. seems to be, you present the landscape first before you start getting into what trees are in the landscape. So anyway, just a point, okay, we're gonna say that multiple times, I'm sure. Let's see the other slides and maybe we can shuffle the deck. Yeah, go ahead. Next slide. Yeah, because I haven't seen this, I don't know what all she's put in. Yeah, so it's this stuff, or who has what responsibility? Okay, stuff needs to move around. Yeah, so I brought up the point that the condition of major highways are, major highways are defined as ones that are United States highways, Michigan highways, or interstate highways. For example, I-75 we all know about, M24 being Telegraph, US 12 being Michigan Avenue, for instance. So in that case, Michigan Department of Transportation has a responsibility for the maintenance of those highways. And federal funds are allocated to repair these roads. That's weird why she has these together. I need to separate this out. So if she has the map associated with that. I'd rather have, like, Gary's alluding to whose responsibility is what, and have that description be put in there, and then go through what the charts mean, because this is only a chart for what Road Commission of Oakland County is responsible for. Yet, it talks about the bullet being MDOT responsibility. She said, next slide. Okay. Sue's watching us online. Oh, okay, great. I'm like, what? She's texting me. I'm sorry. Okay. All right, so Road Commission of Oakland County is responsible for maintaining the main roads and subdivision streets. Okay. The main roads have federal funding associated with it, where the subdivision streets don't have any funding associated with it.

  10. Michigan highways, or interstate highways. For example, I-75 we all know about, M24 being Telegraph, US 12 being Michigan Avenue, for instance. So in that case, Michigan Department of Transportation has a responsibility for the maintenance of those highways. And federal funds are allocated to repair these roads. That's weird why she has these together. I need to separate this out. So if she has the map associated with that. I'd rather have, like, Gary's alluding to whose responsibility is what, and have that description be put in there, and then go through what the charts mean, because this is only a chart for what Road Commission of Oakland County is responsible for. Yet, it talks about the bullet being MDOT responsibility. She said, next slide. Okay. Sue's watching us online. Oh, okay, great. I'm like, what? She's texting me. I'm sorry. Okay. All right, so Road Commission of Oakland County is responsible for maintaining the main roads and subdivision streets. Okay. The main roads have federal funding associated with it, where the subdivision streets don't have any funding associated with it. This chart shows this is just the subdivision streets. When you do this, I think, when you present, you're going to have to signal to get the next slide up somehow. Yep. All right, so obviously, as we all know, subdivision streets in our township are mostly rated as poor, as you can see from these pictures, as well as from the pacer charts. Currently, the only options that we have for improving the subdivision streets are to have what's called a special assessment district, where the lot owners would assess themselves the replacement value of the road surface, which typically nowadays are about $50,000 to $60,000 a lot. Thank you very much for joining us. Let's see. I guess now I now I've seen this I can say that later okay wow he's got all bits and pieces I'd love to work on reordering some of these things well

  11. The main roads have federal funding associated with it, where the subdivision streets don't have any funding associated with it. This chart shows this is just the subdivision streets. When you do this, I think, when you present, you're going to have to signal to get the next slide up somehow. Yep. All right, so obviously, as we all know, subdivision streets in our township are mostly rated as poor, as you can see from these pictures, as well as from the pacer charts. Currently, the only options that we have for improving the subdivision streets are to have what's called a special assessment district, where the lot owners would assess themselves the replacement value of the road surface, which typically nowadays are about $50,000 to $60,000 a lot. Thank you very much for joining us. Let's see. I guess now I now I've seen this I can say that later okay wow he's got all bits and pieces I'd love to work on reordering some of these things well rather than go through word for word for every one of these maybe what we need to do see take a look at it get see if Sue gets we can get down to you do your notes get that way instead of just doing the whole presentation one after the other okay but if you want to do something speak up because she can take she's watching us she can take notes I'd rather give her a whole idea let me see the whole thing and then I'll mark it up and give her what what the moon should I accommodate questions for that section only no what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna say that we'll take at the end well at the end of each section we'll ask the board of trustees to ask questions if they want not the public just the board then I'll move on to the next section okay and I'll make it clear that that's how we want to do it okay rather than wait till the end and have questions come out and everybody start trying to answer different ones but the public is not gonna have an opportunity all right okay okay this is the current state of the of the process and current state and county state goes through public act 51 is established where

  12. bits and pieces I'd love to work on reordering some of these things well rather than go through word for word for every one of these maybe what we need to do see take a look at it get see if Sue gets we can get down to you do your notes get that way instead of just doing the whole presentation one after the other okay but if you want to do something speak up because she can take she's watching us she can take notes I'd rather give her a whole idea let me see the whole thing and then I'll mark it up and give her what what the moon should I accommodate questions for that section only no what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna say that we'll take at the end well at the end of each section we'll ask the board of trustees to ask questions if they want not the public just the board then I'll move on to the next section okay and I'll make it clear that that's how we want to do it okay rather than wait till the end and have questions come out and everybody start trying to answer different ones but the public is not gonna have an opportunity all right okay okay this is the current state of the of the process and current state and county state goes through public act 51 is established where The specific taxes for motor vehicles and motor fuels are allocated, blah, blah, blah. Then we get into an editorial consequence where the funding has dried up. At one time, we had a robust system. You can make it shorter, but at one time, we were one of the leaders in the country about funding roads, and now we're adolescents when it comes to doing funding of roads. The government's moved in a variety of directions, that, as John said, we made up this thing called the Special Assessment District. Next slide. This is the allocation data. The dense urban counties receive the highest share of funding. Sparsely populated will receive more funding than per resident, which is an unfair option. I guess instead of reading that, I would just say there's an unfair way that money is distributed, at least it's perceived to be unfair. And then the MDOT people, yeah, that's repetitive from the first sign, primarily responsible for maintaining and constructing and improving state trunk highways,

  13. The specific taxes for motor vehicles and motor fuels are allocated, blah, blah, blah. Then we get into an editorial consequence where the funding has dried up. At one time, we had a robust system. You can make it shorter, but at one time, we were one of the leaders in the country about funding roads, and now we're adolescents when it comes to doing funding of roads. The government's moved in a variety of directions, that, as John said, we made up this thing called the Special Assessment District. Next slide. This is the allocation data. The dense urban counties receive the highest share of funding. Sparsely populated will receive more funding than per resident, which is an unfair option. I guess instead of reading that, I would just say there's an unfair way that money is distributed, at least it's perceived to be unfair. And then the MDOT people, yeah, that's repetitive from the first sign, primarily responsible for maintaining and constructing and improving state trunk highways, and then they get significant portion of transportation funding to fulfill these responsibilities from the MDOT people. So, next. Could I comment? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. On the allocation data, that relates to cities and villages, and not townships. Yes. Well, but it doesn't say that. And I don't want them, I don't want somebody to say, well, wait a minute, to get twisted. You know, before I edited, the original one said that. So just think about that. Because I don't want people to, because we earlier said, we don't have it. But then this seems to. What point do you want me to change? Well, allocation data. Yeah. Um, funding for cities and villages, but not townships. OK. Dense urban counties receive the highest. Yeah, put in there, cities and villages. Yes, but not townships. All right. I just don't want someone to, we'd already said that, but I don't want to get.

  14. primarily responsible for maintaining and constructing and improving state trunk highways, and then they get significant portion of transportation funding to fulfill these responsibilities from the MDOT people. So, next. Could I comment? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. On the allocation data, that relates to cities and villages, and not townships. Yes. Well, but it doesn't say that. And I don't want them, I don't want somebody to say, well, wait a minute, to get twisted. You know, before I edited, the original one said that. So just think about that. Because I don't want people to, because we earlier said, we don't have it. But then this seems to. What point do you want me to change? Well, allocation data. Yeah. Um, funding for cities and villages, but not townships. OK. Dense urban counties receive the highest. Yeah, put in there, cities and villages. Yes, but not townships. All right. I just don't want someone to, we'd already said that, but I don't want to get. Well, that's an important point to put. It is, yeah. But I, all kidding aside, I did have that. Well. Reclassified, yeah, villages. I had villages in my original one. OK. OK. I will change that, or she'll change it, Susan will change it. OK, next. Um, jurisdiction commissions are responsible for roads and townships and townships and generally do not have jurisdiction over roads, maintenance and construction. Construction of county road commissions are responsible for maintaining construction of county roads. Funding, which is really the only important, is receive funds from the MTF and federal road funds. Next slide. Can we go back? I apologize. That second line, townships in Michigan generally do not have jurisdiction. I don't know about generally. Yeah, they do not. They do not. Okay, well take the word generally out. Strike the word generally. Okay. Well, this is why we're here. Yeah. I apologize. No, no, no. That's what we're doing. So, Susan, take that out. And then. Exactly. Susan, take that word out. Yeah, that third bullet, funding for villages, cities and villages, but not, you know, but.

  15. I just don't want someone to, we'd already said that, but I don't want to get. Well, that's an important point to put. It is, yeah. But I, all kidding aside, I did have that. Well. Reclassified, yeah, villages. I had villages in my original one. OK. OK. I will change that, or she'll change it, Susan will change it. OK, next. Um, jurisdiction commissions are responsible for roads and townships and townships and generally do not have jurisdiction over roads, maintenance and construction. Construction of county road commissions are responsible for maintaining construction of county roads. Funding, which is really the only important, is receive funds from the MTF and federal road funds. Next slide. Can we go back? I apologize. That second line, townships in Michigan generally do not have jurisdiction. I don't know about generally. Yeah, they do not. They do not. Okay, well take the word generally out. Strike the word generally. Okay. Well, this is why we're here. Yeah. I apologize. No, no, no. That's what we're doing. So, Susan, take that out. And then. Exactly. Susan, take that word out. Yeah, that third bullet, funding for villages, cities and villages, but not, you know, but. Mm-hmm. Again, I'm. Oh, I see. Okay. All right, well, we'll clean that one up. Okay. Next slide. Sorry. Okay. Okay. Townships. Direct authority. Michigan townships do not generally have direct jurisdiction. Well, there I'm talking about. Take that to generally. Yeah, generally. Okay. I'm trying to be nice there. You know, county roads commissions are responsible and maintaining the roads. Okay. Contributions can contribute funds to the county road commission for maintenance. Limited maintenance responsibility while townships are not legally obligated, which is, I guess, the only important part, obligated main terror repair roads. Some larger townships are able to do so. So, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Um, that's just something that I pulled out from the reference stuff material but that has to be cleaned up a little bit I'm seeing these things for the first time so we don't we don't contribute money to the county no county no well and then we take over the responsibility of like plowing and salting right so I go through and it's a twisted yeah I'll go through and clean these up I apologize but I she just sent the email you know with these things there so we'll go through it next so what is the purpose of the other two communities logo the

  16. Yeah, that third bullet, funding for villages, cities and villages, but not, you know, but. Mm-hmm. Again, I'm. Oh, I see. Okay. All right, well, we'll clean that one up. Okay. Next slide. Sorry. Okay. Okay. Townships. Direct authority. Michigan townships do not generally have direct jurisdiction. Well, there I'm talking about. Take that to generally. Yeah, generally. Okay. I'm trying to be nice there. You know, county roads commissions are responsible and maintaining the roads. Okay. Contributions can contribute funds to the county road commission for maintenance. Limited maintenance responsibility while townships are not legally obligated, which is, I guess, the only important part, obligated main terror repair roads. Some larger townships are able to do so. So, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Um, that's just something that I pulled out from the reference stuff material but that has to be cleaned up a little bit I'm seeing these things for the first time so we don't we don't contribute money to the county no county no well and then we take over the responsibility of like plowing and salting right so I go through and it's a twisted yeah I'll go through and clean these up I apologize but I she just sent the email you know with these things there so we'll go through it next so what is the purpose of the other two communities logo the Oakland Township and West Plumfield town logos is that related to anything or the previous slide I don't know why are they there I didn't put them there no I know that oh yeah question why are they there there's no reason right I saw that the destruction I think I was just trying to say if we just take it out yeah take out that from that slide okay I did just see she sent it at 433 this afternoon so okay so I yeah let's the best slides are yet to come yeah OK. So we'll get rid of those laws. I thought some of these are just redundant. Anyway, next. OK, the key players and responsibilities. We try to describe what they are, maintains who's responsible for what.

  17. through it next so what is the purpose of the other two communities logo the Oakland Township and West Plumfield town logos is that related to anything or the previous slide I don't know why are they there I didn't put them there no I know that oh yeah question why are they there there's no reason right I saw that the destruction I think I was just trying to say if we just take it out yeah take out that from that slide okay I did just see she sent it at 433 this afternoon so okay so I yeah let's the best slides are yet to come yeah OK. So we'll get rid of those laws. I thought some of these are just redundant. Anyway, next. OK, the key players and responsibilities. We try to describe what they are, maintains who's responsible for what. It'd be good for people to read that just to make sure that I'm on the right track on naming some of this stuff and then handles truck-wise, which is, I think, what you had mentioned before. So that's right. This is a suggestion in this one. Instead of just cities, city of Bloomfield Hills, why can't, shouldn't we say cities such like Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, Royal Oak, et cetera? So not just Bloomfield Hills. OK. But all cities. All right. Next slide. These are nine, these are the, this is the summary of the nine concerns. Suddivision roads are deteriorating. The residents report roads are getting bigger and bigger potholes or larger and larger, whatever. I don't know where I took, why I had to do that like that. Patching is incomplete and a temporary fix. Maintenance programs on roads are nonexistent. The subdivisions have been forced to go into these SADs, like we said multiple times before. It's because everybody knows what an SAD is. And so.

  18. It'd be good for people to read that just to make sure that I'm on the right track on naming some of this stuff and then handles truck-wise, which is, I think, what you had mentioned before. So that's right. This is a suggestion in this one. Instead of just cities, city of Bloomfield Hills, why can't, shouldn't we say cities such like Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, Royal Oak, et cetera? So not just Bloomfield Hills. OK. But all cities. All right. Next slide. These are nine, these are the, this is the summary of the nine concerns. Suddivision roads are deteriorating. The residents report roads are getting bigger and bigger potholes or larger and larger, whatever. I don't know where I took, why I had to do that like that. Patching is incomplete and a temporary fix. Maintenance programs on roads are nonexistent. The subdivisions have been forced to go into these SADs, like we said multiple times before. It's because everybody knows what an SAD is. And so. So we can prepare the cost. Next slide. Is that nine? Is there a significance for nine? Is it nine issues? Yeah, why nine? No, no, that's number nine. See, that's number nine. That's my ninth slide. That's my ninth slide. So what? Okay, anyways. So get rid of the number. Okay. Dr. Sirian, may I ask you, now that we've gone through this and we went through the first section, are you still thinking that it should be reversed? What? Section two with section one. That's what you would set around. Yeah, I still think somehow that it's got to be like molded together a little bit. But I don't know how we would do that. And we can kind of play with it and see how it looks. This would be a good setup for what Mike was saying. Well, that's what I was getting. So we might want to shuffle. We'll clean this up and I'll run it by, you know, Mike and Sue and make sure. We've got all the things that people want to say and then we'll go from there. But I think it should be like coming out. And maybe we shouldn't even mention some of these things because they are going to be mentioned later on. So that's, I mean, even already now with just our two slides, we've said a lot of redundant things, which is fine.

  19. So we can prepare the cost. Next slide. Is that nine? Is there a significance for nine? Is it nine issues? Yeah, why nine? No, no, that's number nine. See, that's number nine. That's my ninth slide. That's my ninth slide. So what? Okay, anyways. So get rid of the number. Okay. Dr. Sirian, may I ask you, now that we've gone through this and we went through the first section, are you still thinking that it should be reversed? What? Section two with section one. That's what you would set around. Yeah, I still think somehow that it's got to be like molded together a little bit. But I don't know how we would do that. And we can kind of play with it and see how it looks. This would be a good setup for what Mike was saying. Well, that's what I was getting. So we might want to shuffle. We'll clean this up and I'll run it by, you know, Mike and Sue and make sure. We've got all the things that people want to say and then we'll go from there. But I think it should be like coming out. And maybe we shouldn't even mention some of these things because they are going to be mentioned later on. So that's, I mean, even already now with just our two slides, we've said a lot of redundant things, which is fine. I mean, we can emphasize certain things. But the Antichrist here is the S.A.D. programs, I guess. I've heard of them before. The Antichrist kind of describes it. We're kind of reminding. people yeah we understand that that's that's right but anyway thank you I do like reversing the order so put put sit county and state before township yeah this is where all the mistakes we made so as we know the state is finalizing their budget right now and we'll find out what the governor signs probably next Tuesday or Wednesday incorporate that into the corporate that into into our presentation because I think it's going to change from what I'm hearing oh really wait change better or worse right right this is like

  20. So that's, I mean, even already now with just our two slides, we've said a lot of redundant things, which is fine. I mean, we can emphasize certain things. But the Antichrist here is the S.A.D. programs, I guess. I've heard of them before. The Antichrist kind of describes it. We're kind of reminding. people yeah we understand that that's that's right but anyway thank you I do like reversing the order so put put sit county and state before township yeah this is where all the mistakes we made so as we know the state is finalizing their budget right now and we'll find out what the governor signs probably next Tuesday or Wednesday incorporate that into the corporate that into into our presentation because I think it's going to change from what I'm hearing oh really wait change better or worse right right this is like the United Nations now what I'm hearing I don't understand I can't understand but I'm not sure it's so just hang tight it's it's changing it's evolving which way up or down you know I I don't know if I can explain it and be accurate okay but they're talking about reducing or eliminating our our constitutional and statutory funding we get from the state and it's for us it's hundreds of thousands of dollars five hundred thousand maybe more and they would you take that and put it into two funds one's a policing fund and one's a road fund well those that money that we get we kind of earmark it to fix our own roads and we can absorb it but we'll feel the pain because it's gonna we're gonna have to take it out of our general fund but if they take the money and let's say they give it back to the Road Commission or this policing agency they want it like a trust fund they're talking about well we may only get back a

  21. to change from what I'm hearing oh really wait change better or worse right right this is like the United Nations now what I'm hearing I don't understand I can't understand but I'm not sure it's so just hang tight it's it's changing it's evolving which way up or down you know I I don't know if I can explain it and be accurate okay but they're talking about reducing or eliminating our our constitutional and statutory funding we get from the state and it's for us it's hundreds of thousands of dollars five hundred thousand maybe more and they would you take that and put it into two funds one's a policing fund and one's a road fund well those that money that we get we kind of earmark it to fix our own roads and we can absorb it but we'll feel the pain because it's gonna we're gonna have to take it out of our general fund but if they take the money and let's say they give it back to the Road Commission or this policing agency they want it like a trust fund they're talking about well we may only get back a portion right so it's I just I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it so I'm hoping there's another side to it that I'm not hearing about that makes this makes this whole if not better now if you take a smaller township and you take away their statutory funding they'll really feel it statutory to funding does I think is around the $80,000 mark but our constitutional funding is around $450,000 a year and you go to a smaller community where the tax base in these rural areas where townships are could really really hurt them well who's pushing that I mean that's a long way from where they were talking about being Yeah, I know. That's why I'm like, MTA is probably lobbying against it. MTA, MML, they all are. We've been getting all sorts of emails. And so we've been in touch with our legislators. But this could change drastically. Or look, not drastically, but could change for us. Because we budgeted $1.7 million in this last budget we're under for road repairs. It's been the highest we budgeted in a long time. And if we take out those numbers, it goes down. So we may have to redo this a little bit. We're getting home.

  22. want it like a trust fund they're talking about well we may only get back a portion right so it's I just I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it so I'm hoping there's another side to it that I'm not hearing about that makes this makes this whole if not better now if you take a smaller township and you take away their statutory funding they'll really feel it statutory to funding does I think is around the $80,000 mark but our constitutional funding is around $450,000 a year and you go to a smaller community where the tax base in these rural areas where townships are could really really hurt them well who's pushing that I mean that's a long way from where they were talking about being Yeah, I know. That's why I'm like, MTA is probably lobbying against it. MTA, MML, they all are. We've been getting all sorts of emails. And so we've been in touch with our legislators. But this could change drastically. Or look, not drastically, but could change for us. Because we budgeted $1.7 million in this last budget we're under for road repairs. It's been the highest we budgeted in a long time. And if we take out those numbers, it goes down. So we may have to redo this a little bit. We're getting home. Let's hope not. Right. Absolutely. And at our millage, see, we're at 996 about. And we can only go to 10. So we have to wait. If we want to do a millage, we really need to wait for something to come off. Right. Right? And then we gear up for that year to do the millage vote. And then it would replace something that's coming off. And as I recall, it was about three years before something realistic would fall off. Yeah, I believe that's right. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And then you get into 2030 and 2032 when we then get larger amounts. Right. That come off. And then we have to reprioritize. And then we had the bonds for the campus construction. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. with the DPW department and the central station. Let's see, and then, you know, let's see, and the other problem we have, and I don't know how deep you want to get into it, but it was noted in the PowerPoint in the picture, is the debt that we're

  23. Because we budgeted $1.7 million in this last budget we're under for road repairs. It's been the highest we budgeted in a long time. And if we take out those numbers, it goes down. So we may have to redo this a little bit. We're getting home. Let's hope not. Right. Absolutely. And at our millage, see, we're at 996 about. And we can only go to 10. So we have to wait. If we want to do a millage, we really need to wait for something to come off. Right. Right? And then we gear up for that year to do the millage vote. And then it would replace something that's coming off. And as I recall, it was about three years before something realistic would fall off. Yeah, I believe that's right. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And then you get into 2030 and 2032 when we then get larger amounts. Right. That come off. And then we have to reprioritize. And then we had the bonds for the campus construction. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. with the DPW department and the central station. Let's see, and then, you know, let's see, and the other problem we have, and I don't know how deep you want to get into it, but it was noted in the PowerPoint in the picture, is the debt that we're taking on as a community, and even though it's funded by our residents, it still recognizes debt when you go through your rating service, and it comes to a point of how much of that debt do you want to take on, and I think we're getting to the point where we have to make a decision, do we really want to handle any more SADs, or we just send them to the county and have the county take it on? I think that's a valid point, and maybe that if it goes to the county, it's at a higher rate. Sure it is. Yeah, and it's 10 years. Yeah, it's 10 years instead of 15, at a higher rate. Six percent. Right. Straight six percent. Right, so. But maybe we can negotiate with the county to improve those terms. I don't know, we could try, but if we keep taking it on, A, it's a political fight for us that we're stuck in the middle of. Right. But we don't want our bond rating to go down. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, if we have 200 miles of roads, and we barely scratch the surface, and look at the cost these people in the village are having to bear. Yeah. It's a good point.

  24. you want to get into it, but it was noted in the PowerPoint in the picture, is the debt that we're taking on as a community, and even though it's funded by our residents, it still recognizes debt when you go through your rating service, and it comes to a point of how much of that debt do you want to take on, and I think we're getting to the point where we have to make a decision, do we really want to handle any more SADs, or we just send them to the county and have the county take it on? I think that's a valid point, and maybe that if it goes to the county, it's at a higher rate. Sure it is. Yeah, and it's 10 years. Yeah, it's 10 years instead of 15, at a higher rate. Six percent. Right. Straight six percent. Right, so. But maybe we can negotiate with the county to improve those terms. I don't know, we could try, but if we keep taking it on, A, it's a political fight for us that we're stuck in the middle of. Right. But we don't want our bond rating to go down. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, if we have 200 miles of roads, and we barely scratch the surface, and look at the cost these people in the village are having to bear. Yeah. It's a good point. I like the pie charts, you know, easy to understand compared to a lot of copies. Do you want to go back to that pie chart for a minute, Sean? Was that in order? Okay. So this is how we have to account for everything related to road funding and what we do with it. We're fortunate we have our own DPW department and then we contract out as we did. And you saw it, Jeff, in Westchester Village where they did that cutout on Westbourne. They've done a lot. They have done a lot, but that's contracted out. So the legacy cost is in salaries and wages? They're always there, but we have about 80 people that are still employed in the township that are on pension and health care benefits, and they were discontinued in pensions in 2005 and then the lifetime health care was discontinued in 2011. Right. And according to our actuarials, I believe it is, we won't, it'll, and then we have, I think, 297 some people on pension and about another 500 on health care, lifetime health care.

  25. I like the pie charts, you know, easy to understand compared to a lot of copies. Do you want to go back to that pie chart for a minute, Sean? Was that in order? Okay. So this is how we have to account for everything related to road funding and what we do with it. We're fortunate we have our own DPW department and then we contract out as we did. And you saw it, Jeff, in Westchester Village where they did that cutout on Westbourne. They've done a lot. They have done a lot, but that's contracted out. So the legacy cost is in salaries and wages? They're always there, but we have about 80 people that are still employed in the township that are on pension and health care benefits, and they were discontinued in pensions in 2005 and then the lifetime health care was discontinued in 2011. Right. And according to our actuarials, I believe it is, we won't, it'll, and then we have, I think, 297 some people on pension and about another 500 on health care, lifetime health care. And it'll take us 60 years to flush them all out of the system. Yeah, and the first, I think the first, like, 22 million we collect in tax revenue goes towards. They have very interesting words. paying down and covering our pension and health care obligations, which at pensions, I think we're 88% or 89% funded. And on OPEB, which is your health care benefits, we're at, I think, what's the number? We're at 28%. And then market deviations can change that as well because we have investments against it. Unfortunately, health care is inexpensive. Yeah. Well, we have put together a program that when someone retires, if we can buy out their pension, we'll give them a lump sum, which would save us money in the long run. And so we've formed a program for that, but it's up to the individual if they want to accept it. You know, we can't force them to do it. Right. Okay, this last one, Steve and I worked on, what we tried to do was keep it very concise,

  26. 297 some people on pension and about another 500 on health care, lifetime health care. And it'll take us 60 years to flush them all out of the system. Yeah, and the first, I think the first, like, 22 million we collect in tax revenue goes towards. They have very interesting words. paying down and covering our pension and health care obligations, which at pensions, I think we're 88% or 89% funded. And on OPEB, which is your health care benefits, we're at, I think, what's the number? We're at 28%. And then market deviations can change that as well because we have investments against it. Unfortunately, health care is inexpensive. Yeah. Well, we have put together a program that when someone retires, if we can buy out their pension, we'll give them a lump sum, which would save us money in the long run. And so we've formed a program for that, but it's up to the individual if they want to accept it. You know, we can't force them to do it. Right. Okay, this last one, Steve and I worked on, what we tried to do was keep it very concise, but it's kind of the wrap-up of what everybody else has said. And it kind of, okay, we've talked about these various things that kind of bring it, some of it might be repetitive, but do we want to kind of reinforce what we consider the key takeaways are? So, you know, the first point is, you know, we're maxed out on a millage, like we were just talking about. And we have no capacity to provide any additional funding for road replacements. and currently the only option is sad so that's where we are we don't there's no money within our organization within us that we can do it and then this was just to say how how's the road what were you about we got 213 miles of road 37 of unpaved and this is what we do which is again kind of a follow-up to what you know mike said but just kind of saying it's a second time and then the next slide uh i was well she put that in but that's fine i was just going to use a bullet but this just shows the number of sads that we currently have which are 23 uh and it amounts to 56.5 million dollars of what we've got and uh what we're what the township but i wanted to introduce the concept like mike said again repeat the way these are being funded is we're using the debt

  27. Okay, this last one, Steve and I worked on, what we tried to do was keep it very concise, but it's kind of the wrap-up of what everybody else has said. And it kind of, okay, we've talked about these various things that kind of bring it, some of it might be repetitive, but do we want to kind of reinforce what we consider the key takeaways are? So, you know, the first point is, you know, we're maxed out on a millage, like we were just talking about. And we have no capacity to provide any additional funding for road replacements. and currently the only option is sad so that's where we are we don't there's no money within our organization within us that we can do it and then this was just to say how how's the road what were you about we got 213 miles of road 37 of unpaved and this is what we do which is again kind of a follow-up to what you know mike said but just kind of saying it's a second time and then the next slide uh i was well she put that in but that's fine i was just going to use a bullet but this just shows the number of sads that we currently have which are 23 uh and it amounts to 56.5 million dollars of what we've got and uh what we're what the township but i wanted to introduce the concept like mike said again repeat the way these are being funded is we're using the debt capacity of the township and that is reaching a limit that can we continue to do that because it's such a significant amount of funds yeah could you just go back to the last slide please that one i think that's a significant no that's huge huge those two that's 10 times it cost 10 times as much 12 years later as it did then per mile yeah i think that's very significant because that's what that's what we're up against you just can't afford it however the only thing that we can't see here is different neighborhoods have different um issues so for instance those you the village bluefield village they're ripping up three layers of roads they have to really dig down they covered roads that had curbs and gutters very expensive some communities they can do scraping and surfacing or they have culverts so it does change the price but in my ocats which is oakland county association of township supervisors they were talking about five years ago it was a million dollar mile now we're almost up to five million dollars a mile to

  28. the concept like mike said again repeat the way these are being funded is we're using the debt capacity of the township and that is reaching a limit that can we continue to do that because it's such a significant amount of funds yeah could you just go back to the last slide please that one i think that's a significant no that's huge huge those two that's 10 times it cost 10 times as much 12 years later as it did then per mile yeah i think that's very significant because that's what that's what we're up against you just can't afford it however the only thing that we can't see here is different neighborhoods have different um issues so for instance those you the village bluefield village they're ripping up three layers of roads they have to really dig down they covered roads that had curbs and gutters very expensive some communities they can do scraping and surfacing or they have culverts so it does change the price but in my ocats which is oakland county association of township supervisors they were talking about five years ago it was a million dollar mile now we're almost up to five million dollars a mile to this just talks about the sads the amount and to continue to sads we're going to we're saying our analysis is it's not viable to continue to expect that the way the roads are going to be improved or funded because it's becoming such a burden uh and an unreasonable burden on the individual households so it really has to be addressed next slide we have one okay uh this just gets up with restating the obvious with the road commission uh and that you know when you look at the uh pa 51 funds at the state level you know restating again 39 go to uh state agencies 39 to the county and 22 the city and villages the key point here is we don't get anything and this is what was you know what was set up in 1950 you and said the responsibility for it in the township was that of the County Road Commission. So we are not part of the funding mechanism that exists today. And that's it. This is really good.

  29. this just talks about the sads the amount and to continue to sads we're going to we're saying our analysis is it's not viable to continue to expect that the way the roads are going to be improved or funded because it's becoming such a burden uh and an unreasonable burden on the individual households so it really has to be addressed next slide we have one okay uh this just gets up with restating the obvious with the road commission uh and that you know when you look at the uh pa 51 funds at the state level you know restating again 39 go to uh state agencies 39 to the county and 22 the city and villages the key point here is we don't get anything and this is what was you know what was set up in 1950 you and said the responsibility for it in the township was that of the County Road Commission. So we are not part of the funding mechanism that exists today. And that's it. This is really good. What we have to understand, what everybody who listens to this, the Board of Trustees, people here, people watching, is that there's no solutions in this. We're not offering any. This is all, this is where we're at. And I think that's important to reiterate because if people think they're going to hear solutions or what are you going to do, well, it's just not going to happen, not yet. We're not there yet. And what I see here is really, really thorough discussion of where we are, what the situation on the ground really is. So I'm impressed. I think it's great. Great education piece. Jeff, go ahead. What I'd suggest, maybe one more slide, so everybody knows the next steps. Good. You know, what should one anticipate or what's the expectations that we're going to do? And then you can come back and close it out with the next steps. That's the idea. Here's what, you know, we're going to look at alternatives or whatever we decide we're going to do. And then we'll develop recommendations and give a, you know, a very broad time frame. Well, and along those lines, you know, because that's great at the end, but at the beginning we should say what we're not going to say. I will. I absolutely will. You know, and then... That's correct. I'm going to. The beginning. The beginning.

  30. This is really good. What we have to understand, what everybody who listens to this, the Board of Trustees, people here, people watching, is that there's no solutions in this. We're not offering any. This is all, this is where we're at. And I think that's important to reiterate because if people think they're going to hear solutions or what are you going to do, well, it's just not going to happen, not yet. We're not there yet. And what I see here is really, really thorough discussion of where we are, what the situation on the ground really is. So I'm impressed. I think it's great. Great education piece. Jeff, go ahead. What I'd suggest, maybe one more slide, so everybody knows the next steps. Good. You know, what should one anticipate or what's the expectations that we're going to do? And then you can come back and close it out with the next steps. That's the idea. Here's what, you know, we're going to look at alternatives or whatever we decide we're going to do. And then we'll develop recommendations and give a, you know, a very broad time frame. Well, and along those lines, you know, because that's great at the end, but at the beginning we should say what we're not going to say. I will. I absolutely will. You know, and then... That's correct. I'm going to. The beginning. The beginning. And then, like you mentioned, that then there's an end. This is the next step of going up the monument. In the introduction, I plan to say, if you're here tonight or you've tuned in to find solutions, change the channel because there won't be any. Good. Very good. It's a progress report. That's all. We're just up to this one point. Because I'm going to say in the introduction that the first step is to gather information. You can't solve a problem until you understand it. And we're trying to understand what the situation on the ground is. And that's what we're doing. So that's what this is about. That's right. Mindy. So what are our next steps? I think they're fluid because we don't know what the funding is, what the state is doing for us. So I don't know that we can lock them out. Well, I think for right now, we're just going to clean up this PowerPoint and then present it to the Board of Trustees. And then we go back to work once we know what the new funding is and start now looking at what we're doing. Do you have a suggestion? Well, I was just wondering, Jeff, I meant, thank you for that, but I meant literally, like, when are we supposed to be ready to go? When do we, you know what I'm saying? Like, when's our next, when's the meeting?

  31. And then, like you mentioned, that then there's an end. This is the next step of going up the monument. In the introduction, I plan to say, if you're here tonight or you've tuned in to find solutions, change the channel because there won't be any. Good. Very good. It's a progress report. That's all. We're just up to this one point. Because I'm going to say in the introduction that the first step is to gather information. You can't solve a problem until you understand it. And we're trying to understand what the situation on the ground is. And that's what we're doing. So that's what this is about. That's right. Mindy. So what are our next steps? I think they're fluid because we don't know what the funding is, what the state is doing for us. So I don't know that we can lock them out. Well, I think for right now, we're just going to clean up this PowerPoint and then present it to the Board of Trustees. And then we go back to work once we know what the new funding is and start now looking at what we're doing. Do you have a suggestion? Well, I was just wondering, Jeff, I meant, thank you for that, but I meant literally, like, when are we supposed to be ready to go? When do we, you know what I'm saying? Like, when's our next, when's the meeting? We can put it on the next agenda or the following agenda. When do we want to do that? The next meeting to report to the Board of Trustees or us? Here, now. Well, both, but I was thinking about the Board. Okay, well, I wouldn't, okay, I wouldn't. It'd be Monday, October the 13th. well that's that's when this is going to be one day october third but i wouldn't go further but i would suggest you're right we need to figure it out what i would suggest is that we say the next steps are we us we're going to evaluate the information we've got and then then and then the next step would be once we've evaluated to see if we can't come up with some solutions suggestions for solutions but i'm going to reiterate that that's the board's decision well we can come up with suggestions but that's the board's decision so i just want to add one quick thing and then i'll stop so i'm asking because here's what i'm thinking about in bloomfield village we are in sections three and four under construction the way it works with the process in bloomfield village is there's the fifth section which is the last and as we sit here today that said that the people the residents of that section are under the are in the process of whether or not they sign the petition to go forward those people not speaking for them i'm not one of them but

  32. We can put it on the next agenda or the following agenda. When do we want to do that? The next meeting to report to the Board of Trustees or us? Here, now. Well, both, but I was thinking about the Board. Okay, well, I wouldn't, okay, I wouldn't. It'd be Monday, October the 13th. well that's that's when this is going to be one day october third but i wouldn't go further but i would suggest you're right we need to figure it out what i would suggest is that we say the next steps are we us we're going to evaluate the information we've got and then then and then the next step would be once we've evaluated to see if we can't come up with some solutions suggestions for solutions but i'm going to reiterate that that's the board's decision well we can come up with suggestions but that's the board's decision so i just want to add one quick thing and then i'll stop so i'm asking because here's what i'm thinking about in bloomfield village we are in sections three and four under construction the way it works with the process in bloomfield village is there's the fifth section which is the last and as we sit here today that said that the people the residents of that section are under the are in the process of whether or not they sign the petition to go forward those people not speaking for them i'm not one of them but there's a lot of communication they're very there's a lot of angst they're very unhappy so they pay attention this isn't gratuitous to what mike does and they kind of know about this group but that but you know they're not here all i'm saying is when it's on the agenda it will be known because you're supposed that's what we're supposed to do i wouldn't be surprised if many people come and to get to your point of these people are in active mode of trying to figure out going to happen to them right i'm just i'm not it's not a bad thing no just communicating on behalf of the community to say i know we're not ready to give answers but these people are living this right now and they might be asking well what would you suggest whether whether it's legitimate question or not or fair well what do we do you know because they're going to be you know the sheet the chart that someone made did you make it i don't know about how much money per section in bloomfield village there's another line that could occur which is section five and it will be the same if not a little bit more yeah i'm just saying okay thank you for listening no no that's what you're here for but could i suggest one or three more slides depending how it plays out to summarize what happens

  33. they sign the petition to go forward those people not speaking for them i'm not one of them but there's a lot of communication they're very there's a lot of angst they're very unhappy so they pay attention this isn't gratuitous to what mike does and they kind of know about this group but that but you know they're not here all i'm saying is when it's on the agenda it will be known because you're supposed that's what we're supposed to do i wouldn't be surprised if many people come and to get to your point of these people are in active mode of trying to figure out going to happen to them right i'm just i'm not it's not a bad thing no just communicating on behalf of the community to say i know we're not ready to give answers but these people are living this right now and they might be asking well what would you suggest whether whether it's legitimate question or not or fair well what do we do you know because they're going to be you know the sheet the chart that someone made did you make it i don't know about how much money per section in bloomfield village there's another line that could occur which is section five and it will be the same if not a little bit more yeah i'm just saying okay thank you for listening no no that's what you're here for but could i suggest one or three more slides depending how it plays out to summarize what happens from the legislature because between now and the 13th that's going to land mike's thinking it might be monday but that could be thursday i mean who lord knows when it's going to land but it that's a real relevant piece to answering starting to answer mindy's question and all of us so we can say well since you know at the sort of an addendum but say look here's what we've done so far and since we've done all our background work the legislature has acted And here's what they've said. And here's what it means to us. And that could be, here's what they said, could be one slide. And here's what it means to us, could be two. I mean, so one to three slides adding on as to the legislative action. Well, couldn't that be done right in Mike's report, the financing, or not? I don't want to confuse it. I mean, I think all of what we've seen is here's the background.

  34. but could i suggest one or three more slides depending how it plays out to summarize what happens from the legislature because between now and the 13th that's going to land mike's thinking it might be monday but that could be thursday i mean who lord knows when it's going to land but it that's a real relevant piece to answering starting to answer mindy's question and all of us so we can say well since you know at the sort of an addendum but say look here's what we've done so far and since we've done all our background work the legislature has acted And here's what they've said. And here's what it means to us. And that could be, here's what they said, could be one slide. And here's what it means to us, could be two. I mean, so one to three slides adding on as to the legislative action. Well, couldn't that be done right in Mike's report, the financing, or not? I don't want to confuse it. I mean, I think all of what we've seen is here's the background. And then, well, I mean, it's what do you think. But I suggest that we have a little bit more after that. And Mike, if you want, I can help you. If you don't, if you got it, that's fine. But the foundation for that is what you just mentioned, is all the presentations. And then what we're going to do, what are the possibilities are, would come at the end of all that. So I don't think, I don't think. What are the possibilities of what we want to change? No, the money, where the money's, where the potential of where the money might come from. That's what you're talking about. It's a moving target. And so Mike's thing is, it would be after all this is put together, say, OK, what is the remedies that we could possibly consider? Not going to happen, no. In my opinion. No, I'm suggesting that we've got here's from April to August. Here's what we've done. And here's what we've learned. And in. And this is where we are. And since then, since our August meeting, the legislature has acted. We now, the governor has signed a bill on X date. And here's what the funding will be

  35. And then, well, I mean, it's what do you think. But I suggest that we have a little bit more after that. And Mike, if you want, I can help you. If you don't, if you got it, that's fine. But the foundation for that is what you just mentioned, is all the presentations. And then what we're going to do, what are the possibilities are, would come at the end of all that. So I don't think, I don't think. What are the possibilities of what we want to change? No, the money, where the money's, where the potential of where the money might come from. That's what you're talking about. It's a moving target. And so Mike's thing is, it would be after all this is put together, say, OK, what is the remedies that we could possibly consider? Not going to happen, no. In my opinion. No, I'm suggesting that we've got here's from April to August. Here's what we've done. And here's what we've learned. And in. And this is where we are. And since then, since our August meeting, the legislature has acted. We now, the governor has signed a bill on X date. And here's what the funding will be under the bill signed on the 6th. And lay that out and say, here's what the bill says. And then the next slide says, because Mike talked about some change in the constitutional funding. So what does that mean? They did this and this. And here's what that means to us. I would suggest. And that. I would suggest, and correct me if you don't, if you please. Go. Is that at the end of your report, you could say, this is what we found through all the six months. In the last two days, or whatever it is, this is what's changed. And we're going to be looking at this. Right. And exactly what you said, put that in your report. I will. But that's, I think, where we pick up on our next meeting. Because we take on what the new funding looks like. Yes. And how it works for us. Yeah. Right. And then I think we bring in the Road Commission, again, and start talking to the Road Commission about what their plans are with that money, and what can we expect from them. Well, and you can say that, that we just got this. We have not done anything with it. This is the new fact. Right. And then, I think, going back to Mindy, what you said. Yeah. Is the next steps are.

  36. And here's what the funding will be under the bill signed on the 6th. And lay that out and say, here's what the bill says. And then the next slide says, because Mike talked about some change in the constitutional funding. So what does that mean? They did this and this. And here's what that means to us. I would suggest. And that. I would suggest, and correct me if you don't, if you please. Go. Is that at the end of your report, you could say, this is what we found through all the six months. In the last two days, or whatever it is, this is what's changed. And we're going to be looking at this. Right. And exactly what you said, put that in your report. I will. But that's, I think, where we pick up on our next meeting. Because we take on what the new funding looks like. Yes. And how it works for us. Yeah. Right. And then I think we bring in the Road Commission, again, and start talking to the Road Commission about what their plans are with that money, and what can we expect from them. Well, and you can say that, that we just got this. We have not done anything with it. This is the new fact. Right. And then, I think, going back to Mindy, what you said. Yeah. Is the next steps are. What are the next steps? I want to be vague. I mean, I don't want to get into specific, like to address what you said, I don't want to get into any, even suggestions of solutions, because then you start, you open up a rat's nest. I don't want to do that. Go ahead, go ahead. When I'm talking about solutions, I'm talking about this is what we have on the plate right now. And that's, you know, you can make goulash out of it, you can make whatever you want out of it. And so we have to move on because that's what we have. That's exactly right. And it is what it is. And actually the whole purpose of this is to say, what is it? And then this is the state of the affairs and just move on from that. And that's our purpose. I'm saying kind of the same thing. I don't know. I don't want to get into a resolution because we're not, we don't care what we think. But I think it's important you come to this point and you crescendo up. You've got to let everybody know what we're going to do over the next three to four or five months. How do you know? Because it's like, you know, okay. Okay, so what now? What's happening? So what I think you do is very generic next steps. Maybe, and I'm just throwing these out, but, you know, the next step is to evaluate the impact of the state funding. And not get into the Cope Road Commission and all this other stuff. And then based on that, we'll look at alternative solutions. And then once we develop alternative solutions, we'll develop some recommendations and get back to the trustees in three months.

  37. What are the next steps? I want to be vague. I mean, I don't want to get into specific, like to address what you said, I don't want to get into any, even suggestions of solutions, because then you start, you open up a rat's nest. I don't want to do that. Go ahead, go ahead. When I'm talking about solutions, I'm talking about this is what we have on the plate right now. And that's, you know, you can make goulash out of it, you can make whatever you want out of it. And so we have to move on because that's what we have. That's exactly right. And it is what it is. And actually the whole purpose of this is to say, what is it? And then this is the state of the affairs and just move on from that. And that's our purpose. I'm saying kind of the same thing. I don't know. I don't want to get into a resolution because we're not, we don't care what we think. But I think it's important you come to this point and you crescendo up. You've got to let everybody know what we're going to do over the next three to four or five months. How do you know? Because it's like, you know, okay. Okay, so what now? What's happening? So what I think you do is very generic next steps. Maybe, and I'm just throwing these out, but, you know, the next step is to evaluate the impact of the state funding. And not get into the Cope Road Commission and all this other stuff. And then based on that, we'll look at alternative solutions. And then once we develop alternative solutions, we'll develop some recommendations and get back to the trustees in three months. People have to believe this thing is moving and there's some coherent way of moving. And I would keep it very, very general. least everybody walks out says okay we got that we're done with this phase two and then we move it on so that's that's why I feel strongly about that you're right I agree completely absolutely you don't want any false promises no at the same time you want to say what we'll be working on for next before you and because after we work like you said Jeff said the board has to approve or do whatever we can make any suggestions we want and as I understand the way over debt township debt is we can't issue anything still 2030 right so you know it's not going to be something going to happen you know maybe your neighbors have a SD right now that's not going to solve their problem I mean there are other six solutions okay I don't mean solutions I mean suggestions other paths that might be taken may be very bad maybe good we have to look at and we have it become a city rather than the township I mean we're not gonna argue that point that's

  38. And then once we develop alternative solutions, we'll develop some recommendations and get back to the trustees in three months. People have to believe this thing is moving and there's some coherent way of moving. And I would keep it very, very general. least everybody walks out says okay we got that we're done with this phase two and then we move it on so that's that's why I feel strongly about that you're right I agree completely absolutely you don't want any false promises no at the same time you want to say what we'll be working on for next before you and because after we work like you said Jeff said the board has to approve or do whatever we can make any suggestions we want and as I understand the way over debt township debt is we can't issue anything still 2030 right so you know it's not going to be something going to happen you know maybe your neighbors have a SD right now that's not going to solve their problem I mean there are other six solutions okay I don't mean solutions I mean suggestions other paths that might be taken may be very bad maybe good we have to look at and we have it become a city rather than the township I mean we're not gonna argue that point that's one change somehow get that Public Act 51 over the next few years change or eliminated or completely redone that's another one so there are other things I don't get into that in this well and I think the other one is we got to start talking to the Road Commission they have a budget they have chosen to their priorities I looked this up online they have three commissioners two appointed one vacant they're fairly new but I think sooner or later we got to have sit-down conversations that the way that budget is and to get incremental funding that's got to start flowing to the local roads and you can't just continue to say I need more and more for what I'm doing and ignore the roads they own. That is another whole deal that's you know a lot of one-on-ones that's but that's what I think we're going to have to do in the short term because I don't see a lot of money coming from anyplace house and we kind of go through the road commission to get it. What's the downside of saying that here is a Kenton Township they're done this or you know the two or three people will listen to what they have done the solution like is there a downside to that by because we don't know where what Brooklyn Township is going to be able to do it but if somebody wants to

  39. city rather than the township I mean we're not gonna argue that point that's one change somehow get that Public Act 51 over the next few years change or eliminated or completely redone that's another one so there are other things I don't get into that in this well and I think the other one is we got to start talking to the Road Commission they have a budget they have chosen to their priorities I looked this up online they have three commissioners two appointed one vacant they're fairly new but I think sooner or later we got to have sit-down conversations that the way that budget is and to get incremental funding that's got to start flowing to the local roads and you can't just continue to say I need more and more for what I'm doing and ignore the roads they own. That is another whole deal that's you know a lot of one-on-ones that's but that's what I think we're going to have to do in the short term because I don't see a lot of money coming from anyplace house and we kind of go through the road commission to get it. What's the downside of saying that here is a Kenton Township they're done this or you know the two or three people will listen to what they have done the solution like is there a downside to that by because we don't know where what Brooklyn Township is going to be able to do it but if somebody wants to know where we are going with it some of these communities have done something but Part of the problem with Kenton is it's an incomplete solution because right now they're really digging in from what I understood him to say to do their IKEA highway whatever the heck it is that's that's a big that's gonna be a big number so it's for the for the for the the neighborhoods it was apparently was was a successful thing but their process is not done yet so but you could one could say easily that there are other areas that have dealt with this differently than a millage and tax and things like that and they have there's there's some have good results and we've studied those and I think your point well I'd stay away from the Canton solution because yeah they did they passed the millage and they spent a lot of money on big roads that we get the county takes yeah so can't hold a different situation whatever those of those are huge those are what we would get that's Telegraph Road no we're not gonna fund that so it's a different situation that's my point yeah I didn't a great job of taking care of

  40. know where what Brooklyn Township is going to be able to do it but if somebody wants to know where we are going with it some of these communities have done something but Part of the problem with Kenton is it's an incomplete solution because right now they're really digging in from what I understood him to say to do their IKEA highway whatever the heck it is that's that's a big that's gonna be a big number so it's for the for the for the the neighborhoods it was apparently was was a successful thing but their process is not done yet so but you could one could say easily that there are other areas that have dealt with this differently than a millage and tax and things like that and they have there's there's some have good results and we've studied those and I think your point well I'd stay away from the Canton solution because yeah they did they passed the millage and they spent a lot of money on big roads that we get the county takes yeah so can't hold a different situation whatever those of those are huge those are what we would get that's Telegraph Road no we're not gonna fund that so it's a different situation that's my point yeah I didn't a great job of taking care of our major roads yeah but what was the what was the pay for the interior roads what was their match remember Gary you commented on it for Oakland County in Canton Township member they came to the table but it was like 75 cents for every hundred dollars yeah it's minimum tried 50-50 and they ended up somewhere else something well that's not gonna or we say I mean we but we did learn it was great to have no it's on the board you know in the beginning there's a good presentation yeah so okay all right so I know you want to get to that the dear thing too so I think I think we've got his favorite this is a very I think this is excellent I don't know what you guys do you folks like it I think it's great one of the things Jeff that I had downloaded the the pacer chart for all of Oakland County just to demonstrate the fact that it's not a Bloomfield Township issue I mean the whole damn County has 80 90% red well I'd like to include that in presentation okay that's in your in your section that's fine but in the introduction that is such an important thing for people to see they don't get it people just don't get it I get calls all the time how come the township's not doing this why we wait you know they don't get it and I think that that one

  41. different situation that's my point yeah I didn't a great job of taking care of our major roads yeah but what was the what was the pay for the interior roads what was their match remember Gary you commented on it for Oakland County in Canton Township member they came to the table but it was like 75 cents for every hundred dollars yeah it's minimum tried 50-50 and they ended up somewhere else something well that's not gonna or we say I mean we but we did learn it was great to have no it's on the board you know in the beginning there's a good presentation yeah so okay all right so I know you want to get to that the dear thing too so I think I think we've got his favorite this is a very I think this is excellent I don't know what you guys do you folks like it I think it's great one of the things Jeff that I had downloaded the the pacer chart for all of Oakland County just to demonstrate the fact that it's not a Bloomfield Township issue I mean the whole damn County has 80 90% red well I'd like to include that in presentation okay that's in your in your section that's fine but in the introduction that is such an important thing for people to see they don't get it people just don't get it I get calls all the time how come the township's not doing this why we wait you know they don't get it and I think that that one graphic really shows it not only the what the situation how bad things are but also horns them and who's going to take you know and that's that's a very important point okay but I do want to go and see if we can get in more current well it will absolutely if it's that I'm gonna yeah it's a fluid situation and there are things even in Westchester Village well they just did that that mill and overlay in big sections well that they're really good now those sections great not in there though so it's a fluid situation so I will yeah I will make sure I do that all right Jeff could I suggest that we maybe give Sue the up the editorial option to there's a lot of redundancy I think each of the reports mentions SADs in a slightly different way so I don't want to maybe we shouldn't say the same thing four times okay well you know why if you I'll tell you what I was gonna say you you might be right that a meeting with sue a two o'clock next Wednesday here here to go over this if you want to be there anybody wants to be there hey join

  42. doing this why we wait you know they don't get it and I think that that one graphic really shows it not only the what the situation how bad things are but also horns them and who's going to take you know and that's that's a very important point okay but I do want to go and see if we can get in more current well it will absolutely if it's that I'm gonna yeah it's a fluid situation and there are things even in Westchester Village well they just did that that mill and overlay in big sections well that they're really good now those sections great not in there though so it's a fluid situation so I will yeah I will make sure I do that all right Jeff could I suggest that we maybe give Sue the up the editorial option to there's a lot of redundancy I think each of the reports mentions SADs in a slightly different way so I don't want to maybe we shouldn't say the same thing four times okay well you know why if you I'll tell you what I was gonna say you you might be right that a meeting with sue a two o'clock next Wednesday here here to go over this if you want to be there anybody wants to be there hey join presentation I'm gonna go through I yeah a lot of the things that I said I think are better said later on or the equivalent maybe I'll just lead into it and say public at 50 as a whole bunch of problems that we're gonna talk about one of which is they don't pay for townships or you know whatever so now that we've kind of seen it we could edit it and then you could go through it again yeah you're gonna have you we can't have a quorum I know that no I know that so it can't just funnels their information so you're right okay you're right we can't have that is true we can't without notice although I thought if you had a work session you could you have to announce it we have to post it okay don't do that we don't okay all right so anyway first three to get there can get in yeah the first four can get in yeah this is a really good snapshot of where I think it is and we just have to go through and clean up some stuff that's right just be prepared if you can and if you by the way one very important thing that I want to make is that after you you give yours or we give each group and the board of trustees ask a question if they ask you a question that you don't know the answer

  43. presentation I'm gonna go through I yeah a lot of the things that I said I think are better said later on or the equivalent maybe I'll just lead into it and say public at 50 as a whole bunch of problems that we're gonna talk about one of which is they don't pay for townships or you know whatever so now that we've kind of seen it we could edit it and then you could go through it again yeah you're gonna have you we can't have a quorum I know that no I know that so it can't just funnels their information so you're right okay you're right we can't have that is true we can't without notice although I thought if you had a work session you could you have to announce it we have to post it okay don't do that we don't okay all right so anyway first three to get there can get in yeah the first four can get in yeah this is a really good snapshot of where I think it is and we just have to go through and clean up some stuff that's right just be prepared if you can and if you by the way one very important thing that I want to make is that after you you give yours or we give each group and the board of trustees ask a question if they ask you a question that you don't know the answer to I have no clue knowledge just say I have no clue no idea don't you know don't try to don't try to you know ad lib it doesn't work no yeah right thank you very much the public will ask the public will have comments they oh they they make the comments at the board of trustees first before everything well we can always do it as a public hearing okay we'll have to look at that and then they can concentrate we open up public hearing then they can comment on it we could do that i i would like to hear what they have i think that would be a good thing to do what do you think you want to you want to create a connection i agree you gotta you can't still you can't speak that doesn't go anywhere yeah i i know i agree completely that's why even at the planning commission we have the each time we have something in here i said public comment should come at the end after we've talked about this so people can talk about it so i think that's good let's make it a public let's let's let's um handle it like that all right let's move on sure we'll we'll we'll make it cool so we'll spend time on that okay mike you want to talk about the deer thing yeah i believe like i said five minutes okay well we'll take four

  44. trustees ask a question if they ask you a question that you don't know the answer to I have no clue knowledge just say I have no clue no idea don't you know don't try to don't try to you know ad lib it doesn't work no yeah right thank you very much the public will ask the public will have comments they oh they they make the comments at the board of trustees first before everything well we can always do it as a public hearing okay we'll have to look at that and then they can concentrate we open up public hearing then they can comment on it we could do that i i would like to hear what they have i think that would be a good thing to do what do you think you want to you want to create a connection i agree you gotta you can't still you can't speak that doesn't go anywhere yeah i i know i agree completely that's why even at the planning commission we have the each time we have something in here i said public comment should come at the end after we've talked about this so people can talk about it so i think that's good let's make it a public let's let's let's um handle it like that all right let's move on sure we'll we'll we'll make it cool so we'll spend time on that okay mike you want to talk about the deer thing yeah i believe like i said five minutes okay well we'll take four no we'll take four no no you're not going anywhere until we just have to go no you're not so we talked about it does this committee would like to handle the deer issue which means we're going to have some presentations and conversations about the issue and we have people that want to come in and talk to us so i think jeff left it as we're going to take a vote that's right so well you want to present it you want to make make the case or what well i think we talked about it last time we did does anybody have any questions no i'm aware of it though okay does the whole committee or can we do it one by one I mean one by one is it the entire committee yes or no or can five people say yes and well we usually take a vote majority rules okay the question is so should this committee this this committee as it sits here now take on deer the deer thing that's the question because after that the answer is yes well they go we'll do it if it's no then anybody want to form a new committee how many people here well that's what that's another issue no that's what we do then we'd form another have to write another committee and but we should try to vote on it now right someone should move the way it should be done let me let me one time yeah I I don't know how many of us looked at the one hour of presentation by DNR there is a there is a side issue with roads right

  45. want to talk about the deer thing yeah i believe like i said five minutes okay well we'll take four no we'll take four no no you're not going anywhere until we just have to go no you're not so we talked about it does this committee would like to handle the deer issue which means we're going to have some presentations and conversations about the issue and we have people that want to come in and talk to us so i think jeff left it as we're going to take a vote that's right so well you want to present it you want to make make the case or what well i think we talked about it last time we did does anybody have any questions no i'm aware of it though okay does the whole committee or can we do it one by one I mean one by one is it the entire committee yes or no or can five people say yes and well we usually take a vote majority rules okay the question is so should this committee this this committee as it sits here now take on deer the deer thing that's the question because after that the answer is yes well they go we'll do it if it's no then anybody want to form a new committee how many people here well that's what that's another issue no that's what we do then we'd form another have to write another committee and but we should try to vote on it now right someone should move the way it should be done let me let me one time yeah I I don't know how many of us looked at the one hour of presentation by DNR there is a there is a side issue with roads right the deer and road there 936 accident between January to Annapau on the road and car accidents so there is some relationship to road okay and maybe why Mike kind of asking us and on the other hand some of the board members I thought they wanted some additional members or well there's some people have inquired which means we could have some alternate standby if someone can't make it we could have them as an alternate to fill in and so we've had a couple people volunteer We're just going to go through the process because there are options, as you saw with the DNR presentation, but we have to let the public come in and speak and express their views and concerns, and then we weigh it and decide that we would end up making a recommendation to the Board of Trustees. I think that the proper way to handle it is someone make a motion to say they move to have this committee take over the road, the deer issue, and then it goes up or down.

  46. one hour of presentation by DNR there is a there is a side issue with roads right the deer and road there 936 accident between January to Annapau on the road and car accidents so there is some relationship to road okay and maybe why Mike kind of asking us and on the other hand some of the board members I thought they wanted some additional members or well there's some people have inquired which means we could have some alternate standby if someone can't make it we could have them as an alternate to fill in and so we've had a couple people volunteer We're just going to go through the process because there are options, as you saw with the DNR presentation, but we have to let the public come in and speak and express their views and concerns, and then we weigh it and decide that we would end up making a recommendation to the Board of Trustees. I think that the proper way to handle it is someone make a motion to say they move to have this committee take over the road, the deer issue, and then it goes up or down. Really, that's how you do it. I think Jay said it. I move that this committee take on the deer and become the deer advisory committee for Bloomfield Township. In conjunction with this now or after it's done? In conjunction with or after? It depends. It's fluid because of the road funding that has been finalized. And can you add on to that, we could name like two alternates to fill in when people can't make it? That would be specialized just for this. And I would add that we have two alternates to add on to this committee if one or more of us can't appear for a particular meeting. Is there a motion on the table? Is there a second for that motion? I second it. Discussion on the motion. I got a question, Mike. What do you see that workload to be and the timing of that workload? Not even. I want to drop down. Um, I think we, I don't think it would be, I'm not getting the impression it's as heavy as what we're lifting right now, but I think it's an important issue that we have to listen to the public and bring in some experts in different areas.

  47. Really, that's how you do it. I think Jay said it. I move that this committee take on the deer and become the deer advisory committee for Bloomfield Township. In conjunction with this now or after it's done? In conjunction with or after? It depends. It's fluid because of the road funding that has been finalized. And can you add on to that, we could name like two alternates to fill in when people can't make it? That would be specialized just for this. And I would add that we have two alternates to add on to this committee if one or more of us can't appear for a particular meeting. Is there a motion on the table? Is there a second for that motion? I second it. Discussion on the motion. I got a question, Mike. What do you see that workload to be and the timing of that workload? Not even. I want to drop down. Um, I think we, I don't think it would be, I'm not getting the impression it's as heavy as what we're lifting right now, but I think it's an important issue that we have to listen to the public and bring in some experts in different areas. I mean, we've had people reach out to us, say, no, I don't agree with what the DNR said. We would like to present, and I think we need to hear all sides of it, and we fit them in as we could fit them in. I think our priority has to be roads. This is an ancillary issue for us at this point. And we could defer it if this committee chose to do it, so if we say we're not going to really deal with that for, you know, two or three months because we're hot and heavy right now on the roads, that works. Yeah, I think we decide how we want to handle it. See, as a part of discussion of the motion, I would add, if I could, to support it, that that work would begin after this work on the roads ends, and we could say in March, that's a year after we started this, and we, after this end, see, I wouldn't support the motion the way it is. But if we add to it that we'd start it only after the work of this, this road's work is done, then I could support that. Why don't you just say that it will commence under the discretion of the committee? All right, all right. Just leave it open in whatever the heck it is. In the needs of the township. But I mean, if you add that, it will commence. Yes, it will commence. That means it's not.

  48. I mean, we've had people reach out to us, say, no, I don't agree with what the DNR said. We would like to present, and I think we need to hear all sides of it, and we fit them in as we could fit them in. I think our priority has to be roads. This is an ancillary issue for us at this point. And we could defer it if this committee chose to do it, so if we say we're not going to really deal with that for, you know, two or three months because we're hot and heavy right now on the roads, that works. Yeah, I think we decide how we want to handle it. See, as a part of discussion of the motion, I would add, if I could, to support it, that that work would begin after this work on the roads ends, and we could say in March, that's a year after we started this, and we, after this end, see, I wouldn't support the motion the way it is. But if we add to it that we'd start it only after the work of this, this road's work is done, then I could support that. Why don't you just say that it will commence under the discretion of the committee? All right, all right. Just leave it open in whatever the heck it is. In the needs of the township. But I mean, if you add that, it will commence. Yes, it will commence. That means it's not. that we're going to start working on tomorrow because you know anywhere anything that's done won't happen till next summer anyway well but but to have people come in and let's say we have an hour meeting and we allot 15 minutes for the deer portion of it right so don't put a timeline let's address it but we'll say okay we're going to address x amount of time for it at this meeting yeah at the discretion of the group right and it can change it can be fluid could be different so so i saw amended and if it doesn't work then we'll punt i support him he supports the amendment all right then if we're going to do it the roberts rules and we have to vote on the amendment yes all those in favor of the amendment say aye aye any opposed okay so now that the motion's changed and it includes that sure good okay so any more discussion on the motion as it sits now so one that comments i'd like to make is the guy from canton came in and talked about their road task force and i thought task force had so much more positive thing than an advisory committee so i was thinking more along the lines of a deer task force or even a wildlife task force if we have issues with other animals as opposed to a deer advisory committee just a thought once you have the first meeting with that you can always change the name you can do whatever you want okay name it could be it could be a

  49. that we're going to start working on tomorrow because you know anywhere anything that's done won't happen till next summer anyway well but but to have people come in and let's say we have an hour meeting and we allot 15 minutes for the deer portion of it right so don't put a timeline let's address it but we'll say okay we're going to address x amount of time for it at this meeting yeah at the discretion of the group right and it can change it can be fluid could be different so so i saw amended and if it doesn't work then we'll punt i support him he supports the amendment all right then if we're going to do it the roberts rules and we have to vote on the amendment yes all those in favor of the amendment say aye aye any opposed okay so now that the motion's changed and it includes that sure good okay so any more discussion on the motion as it sits now so one that comments i'd like to make is the guy from canton came in and talked about their road task force and i thought task force had so much more positive thing than an advisory committee so i was thinking more along the lines of a deer task force or even a wildlife task force if we have issues with other animals as opposed to a deer advisory committee just a thought once you have the first meeting with that you can always change the name you can do whatever you want okay name it could be it could be a public hearing for 15 minutes or whatever on deer and then there could be a subcommittee who can just do deer as well as this you know kind of thing Well, you know, it's this precedent for having it more than one because, for instance, the planning commission. The planning commission does what they do, but they're also the... Lake advisory. No, not lake advisory, the wetlands. Yeah, sorry, the wetlands board. So when there's a wetlands hearing, it's different from the planning commission. That's closed and then it's open. So there's precedent to do that. So with that, I would support it with what you added. Okay. It may not happen now that it could be... It could happen. Okay. At your discretion. When we get together, we can consider... We've got to do a mission statement. We consider our name, which I think is a good suggestion, but that's a tomorrow thing. Well, if we want to, we can make it a subset. Like I said, like the wetlands board from the planning commission. There's others, I'm sure, not just that. It's a subset handled by that. We can do that. All right, let's call for a vote on the motion. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

  50. that you can always change the name you can do whatever you want okay name it could be it could be a public hearing for 15 minutes or whatever on deer and then there could be a subcommittee who can just do deer as well as this you know kind of thing Well, you know, it's this precedent for having it more than one because, for instance, the planning commission. The planning commission does what they do, but they're also the... Lake advisory. No, not lake advisory, the wetlands. Yeah, sorry, the wetlands board. So when there's a wetlands hearing, it's different from the planning commission. That's closed and then it's open. So there's precedent to do that. So with that, I would support it with what you added. Okay. It may not happen now that it could be... It could happen. Okay. At your discretion. When we get together, we can consider... We've got to do a mission statement. We consider our name, which I think is a good suggestion, but that's a tomorrow thing. Well, if we want to, we can make it a subset. Like I said, like the wetlands board from the planning commission. There's others, I'm sure, not just that. It's a subset handled by that. We can do that. All right, let's call for a vote on the motion. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Didn't we vote on it two minutes ago? Yeah. Double vote. No, we voted on the amendment. Only the amendment. That's how Robertson's amendment works. If someone amends it, you have to vote on the amendment. Sorry, dear. Then you attach it to the motion. Okay. Very good. I got to go. All right. I move to adjourn this meeting. Okay. Second. We're good. Okay. Follow. You're good. Thank you. Bye. You