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Board Of Trustees Thursday, January 22, 2026 · 77 min

Bloomfield Township Public Library Board of Trustees Meeting on January 20, 2026

Summary

The city council meeting discussed the OPEB trust's financial status, investment portfolio performance, and library renovations, including updates to the floor plan, new services, and sensory rooms.

  • The OPEB trust met the 40% funding requirement and achieved a 11.2% rate of return.
  • The investment portfolio has consistently delivered positive returns, with a 9.12% annual rate of return over nearly seven years.
  • The library's floor plan is being updated to improve accessibility and user experience.
  • Renovations to the library include a new cafe, vending machine relocation, and updated facilities.
  • The city council discussed security upgrades and potential grants for related costs.

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  1. good evening everybody glad everyone's here we're going to start this meeting with our annual opev meeting uh so you all have the materials in advance call the meeting to order and a motion would be appreciated to approve the order of items so moved oops sorry all second all favor there's a call to the public though i doubt the public would be terribly interested in this topic well actually anna is on the uh pension and opev program so she probably is interested we're all looking at you any comments any questions okay no just go listen okay so the first item is the minutes from last year's meeting uh motion to approve so move second all in favor all right yeah thank you all right so um uh first i want to introduce and welcome matt to our opev trust meeting and he's going to provide a detailed review of our portfolio but first i would like to turn your attention to page four of the packet which is the bloomfield township public library retiree health care benefits trust open financial summary report which is a one-page report with some yellow highlighting on it this is a report that kathy updates every of the finance coordinator updates every month and i review and we just make sure that our portfolio is staying above that 40 percent funded martin um just just to remind you that PA 202 was a law that was passed what seven eight years ago 2017 I think it was that says that public entities have to have their OPEB obligations at least 40% funded OPEB stands for other post-employment benefits which for us equals retiree health care every other year we get an actuarial to find determined liability for our OPEB amount this past year that liability was a total of five million eight hundred and twenty three thousand dollars so that's what our liability is 40% of that is two million three hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars and as you can see from that report we currently have three million nine hundred and twelve thousand dollars in our trust which is about sixty-seven percent of that liability so we are more than meeting the law and the

  2. with some yellow highlighting on it this is a report that kathy updates every of the finance coordinator updates every month and i review and we just make sure that our portfolio is staying above that 40 percent funded martin um just just to remind you that PA 202 was a law that was passed what seven eight years ago 2017 I think it was that says that public entities have to have their OPEB obligations at least 40% funded OPEB stands for other post-employment benefits which for us equals retiree health care every other year we get an actuarial to find determined liability for our OPEB amount this past year that liability was a total of five million eight hundred and twenty three thousand dollars so that's what our liability is 40% of that is two million three hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars and as you can see from that report we currently have three million nine hundred and twelve thousand dollars in our trust which is about sixty-seven percent of that liability so we are more than meeting the law and the requirement of the PH 202 additionally in our general fund budget we have part of our fund balance set aside for the remaining two million and some change so we are really 100% funded but in the eyes of the law we have that 40% funding in our OPEB trust so and that is maintained and stewarded by match work match words match words match words I know is um partners at schwartz and company and i'll turn the presentation overhead to talk about the portfolio thanks a lot there it's great to be here see everybody again um i'll be quick with your time i did put together um some information that was silver in advance but also brought some hard copies of the material here what i wanted to do was start with a one page market commentary or at least a quick look back as you kind of flip the page more landscape and look at the top right corner you'll notice 12 31 25. this pretty much captures the market performance as of the end of the year so let's take a look back at 2025 not looking here january but going back for a full look back in terms of the year-to-date column what i've done there is i've highlighted three key areas where we allocate assets on the equity side that is the s p 500 was up 17.88 last year a pretty good

  3. sixty-seven percent of that liability so we are more than meeting the law and the requirement of the PH 202 additionally in our general fund budget we have part of our fund balance set aside for the remaining two million and some change so we are really 100% funded but in the eyes of the law we have that 40% funding in our OPEB trust so and that is maintained and stewarded by match work match words match words match words I know is um partners at schwartz and company and i'll turn the presentation overhead to talk about the portfolio thanks a lot there it's great to be here see everybody again um i'll be quick with your time i did put together um some information that was silver in advance but also brought some hard copies of the material here what i wanted to do was start with a one page market commentary or at least a quick look back as you kind of flip the page more landscape and look at the top right corner you'll notice 12 31 25. this pretty much captures the market performance as of the end of the year so let's take a look back at 2025 not looking here january but going back for a full look back in terms of the year-to-date column what i've done there is i've highlighted three key areas where we allocate assets on the equity side that is the s p 500 was up 17.88 last year a pretty good run many experts believed last year was going to be maybe a flat to slightly up here it ended up being a home run considering the s p long term is up about 10 and a half percent per year annually for the last 100 years we'll take a 17.9 rate of return of large caps we've got nearly 30 of our assets within the opeb pension um allocation allocated towards large caps so it's a big part of what we do with regard to blue chip domestic domiciled stocks third line item down would be your small cap market and believe it or not it says 12.81 that's a pretty good rate of return there as well but if we had looked at that as of june 30th that number would been negative so the small caps made a big big rally during that third quarter and into october november so 1281 for an index that typically is the best performing but it does carry the most amount of risk smaller caps not as secure as say large caps typically a little more volatile in the face of say inflation or interest rate movements but we had a nice bump towards the second half of the year to get to 12.81 so small caps participated there's check mark number two the third one i've highlighted is the msci

  4. where we allocate assets on the equity side that is the s p 500 was up 17.88 last year a pretty good run many experts believed last year was going to be maybe a flat to slightly up here it ended up being a home run considering the s p long term is up about 10 and a half percent per year annually for the last 100 years we'll take a 17.9 rate of return of large caps we've got nearly 30 of our assets within the opeb pension um allocation allocated towards large caps so it's a big part of what we do with regard to blue chip domestic domiciled stocks third line item down would be your small cap market and believe it or not it says 12.81 that's a pretty good rate of return there as well but if we had looked at that as of june 30th that number would been negative so the small caps made a big big rally during that third quarter and into october november so 1281 for an index that typically is the best performing but it does carry the most amount of risk smaller caps not as secure as say large caps typically a little more volatile in the face of say inflation or interest rate movements but we had a nice bump towards the second half of the year to get to 12.81 so small caps participated there's check mark number two the third one i've highlighted is the msci evie which is your foreign stock market on the developed side not emerging but your developed markets across both europe uh asia far east 31.9 so we haven't been able to look at foreign stocks the last 12 to 15 years and say wow they they nearly doubled the u.s market typically it's been a u.s dominated market run with the capital markets we're a lot more diverse we've got a lot more allocation towards tech whereas the foreign market is allocated towards other sectors of the market natural resources industrials financials so we'll take that we allocate 10 to 12 percent of our assets towards foreign stocks so the 31.9 helped us get to the 11.2 percent rate of return the portfolio ahead now now comes the very interesting part those are the three equity indexes that we most allocate towards large cap u.s small cap u.s and foreign you'll notice the next section down under fixed income seven point three percent we've been waiting for that bump and i've been talking about it for a couple years in terms of interest rates backing up us clipping a nice coupon but also bond price appreciation the investment grade bond market which tracks your triple b through triple a rated um investment grade corporates and and governments was up 7.3 percent a good year for bonds is typically in the four and a half to five percent range okay if you look at

  5. there's check mark number two the third one i've highlighted is the msci evie which is your foreign stock market on the developed side not emerging but your developed markets across both europe uh asia far east 31.9 so we haven't been able to look at foreign stocks the last 12 to 15 years and say wow they they nearly doubled the u.s market typically it's been a u.s dominated market run with the capital markets we're a lot more diverse we've got a lot more allocation towards tech whereas the foreign market is allocated towards other sectors of the market natural resources industrials financials so we'll take that we allocate 10 to 12 percent of our assets towards foreign stocks so the 31.9 helped us get to the 11.2 percent rate of return the portfolio ahead now now comes the very interesting part those are the three equity indexes that we most allocate towards large cap u.s small cap u.s and foreign you'll notice the next section down under fixed income seven point three percent we've been waiting for that bump and i've been talking about it for a couple years in terms of interest rates backing up us clipping a nice coupon but also bond price appreciation the investment grade bond market which tracks your triple b through triple a rated um investment grade corporates and and governments was up 7.3 percent a good year for bonds is typically in the four and a half to five percent range okay if you look at the column to the left of that a little bit it says yield of 4.32 that's about the yield that we earned so you're thinking how do we get to 7.3 if we're only earning income of 4.3 well when the two-year and ten-year treasury rates fall between 40 and 75 basis points you're going to see a reciprocal bump in terms of your bond price of an additional three percent so 60 of your return was income 40 was us getting a little bit of a bump in terms of the bond price of those individual intermediate and short duration bonds that we own so it's a long way to explain the fact that every single area of the market worked out well last year we haven't seen this type of a rally across such a wide spread of equities and fixed income in quite sometimes in many many years usually it's two or three or four areas of the market oh your tech was up oh your small cap value was doing really well oh well you know it's always one or two or three areas that pull the entire portfolio in this situation value was up growth was up large was up small was up us was up foreign was up and your bonds were up so it's one of those areas where we got to 11.2 but it's hard to point to just one area and say that's the reason why because we've got 10 in foreign stocks but we also have 50 in u.s stocks both did very well and the 40 we have a fixed income that did well so every area of the market did well

  6. year for bonds is typically in the four and a half to five percent range okay if you look at the column to the left of that a little bit it says yield of 4.32 that's about the yield that we earned so you're thinking how do we get to 7.3 if we're only earning income of 4.3 well when the two-year and ten-year treasury rates fall between 40 and 75 basis points you're going to see a reciprocal bump in terms of your bond price of an additional three percent so 60 of your return was income 40 was us getting a little bit of a bump in terms of the bond price of those individual intermediate and short duration bonds that we own so it's a long way to explain the fact that every single area of the market worked out well last year we haven't seen this type of a rally across such a wide spread of equities and fixed income in quite sometimes in many many years usually it's two or three or four areas of the market oh your tech was up oh your small cap value was doing really well oh well you know it's always one or two or three areas that pull the entire portfolio in this situation value was up growth was up large was up small was up us was up foreign was up and your bonds were up so it's one of those areas where we got to 11.2 but it's hard to point to just one area and say that's the reason why because we've got 10 in foreign stocks but we also have 50 in u.s stocks both did very well and the 40 we have a fixed income that did well so every area of the market did well So I kind of wanted to use this as kind of just a jumping off point because in all the years I've done this, I haven't seen quite a return like this where every single area was ahead of their historical 10, 20, and 30-year trailing returns like we saw right here within bonds and stocks. The very next page kind of jumps us into the portfolio itself. I kind of want to just kind of use that five minutes as a way to just kind of give you a quick look back in terms of the last year. The story is even better for this portfolio going back three years, five years, and of course seven years. We're about to pass the seven-year mark of working together on this portfolio. As you look at that page three, and we're still looking at it there in landscape format, there was $3,912,000 in the portfolio as of the end of the year. As of today, or actually through Friday's close of business, the last market day we had open, there was $4 million, exactly $4 million in there. So $88,000 in growth, or about 2.25% so far year-to-date. The market didn't do so hot today. You know, if you want to check back with me tomorrow, let you know what it looks like then. But let's just kind of stick with what we know through January 16th. Anyhow, let's backtrack up the page. About 38% is in high-quality fixed income with a slant towards corporate bonds, a little bit of short. And actually, our multi-sector bond fund from PIMCO was up 11% last year. So when I talked about the market being up 7.3%, all of our bonds were up around that number,

  7. So I kind of wanted to use this as kind of just a jumping off point because in all the years I've done this, I haven't seen quite a return like this where every single area was ahead of their historical 10, 20, and 30-year trailing returns like we saw right here within bonds and stocks. The very next page kind of jumps us into the portfolio itself. I kind of want to just kind of use that five minutes as a way to just kind of give you a quick look back in terms of the last year. The story is even better for this portfolio going back three years, five years, and of course seven years. We're about to pass the seven-year mark of working together on this portfolio. As you look at that page three, and we're still looking at it there in landscape format, there was $3,912,000 in the portfolio as of the end of the year. As of today, or actually through Friday's close of business, the last market day we had open, there was $4 million, exactly $4 million in there. So $88,000 in growth, or about 2.25% so far year-to-date. The market didn't do so hot today. You know, if you want to check back with me tomorrow, let you know what it looks like then. But let's just kind of stick with what we know through January 16th. Anyhow, let's backtrack up the page. About 38% is in high-quality fixed income with a slant towards corporate bonds, a little bit of short. And actually, our multi-sector bond fund from PIMCO was up 11% last year. So when I talked about the market being up 7.3%, all of our bonds were up around that number, except PIMCO income was up 11.3%. So that was a nice little bump. Moving into equities, as I talked about, a little bit heavier foot on the gas with regard to... So that was a nice little bit heavier foot on the gas with regard to the gas with regard to the gas with regard to the gas. So that was a great job. U.S. stocks versus foreign stocks, we utilize five different strategies on the U.S. side. Vanguard and J.P. Morgan happen to be our largest. And then down towards the bottom, capital, world growth and income, and MFS, RR2, foreign exposed type stocks. The footnote at the bottom is interesting because during 2025, the portfolio gained $402,000, almost $403,000, or I talked about it already, 11.2% for the year. And then looking back nearly seven years now, going back to January of 2019, we've had nearly $1.8 million in gains, or 9.12% annually. So, when I think about what the investment policy statement states, we're looking to match what the actuarial long-term rate of return is on a five-year look back. We've been doing this for seven years. We're at 9.12%. Your actuarial assumption, I believe, is seven. So, we've been about 200 to 215 basis points annually ahead of what your actuarial rate of return should be. So, it's not as if we can give ourselves a raise, but it's nice to tuck away a few extra $100,000 in years like that.

  8. So when I talked about the market being up 7.3%, all of our bonds were up around that number, except PIMCO income was up 11.3%. So that was a nice little bump. Moving into equities, as I talked about, a little bit heavier foot on the gas with regard to... So that was a nice little bit heavier foot on the gas with regard to the gas with regard to the gas with regard to the gas. So that was a great job. U.S. stocks versus foreign stocks, we utilize five different strategies on the U.S. side. Vanguard and J.P. Morgan happen to be our largest. And then down towards the bottom, capital, world growth and income, and MFS, RR2, foreign exposed type stocks. The footnote at the bottom is interesting because during 2025, the portfolio gained $402,000, almost $403,000, or I talked about it already, 11.2% for the year. And then looking back nearly seven years now, going back to January of 2019, we've had nearly $1.8 million in gains, or 9.12% annually. So, when I think about what the investment policy statement states, we're looking to match what the actuarial long-term rate of return is on a five-year look back. We've been doing this for seven years. We're at 9.12%. Your actuarial assumption, I believe, is seven. So, we've been about 200 to 215 basis points annually ahead of what your actuarial rate of return should be. So, it's not as if we can give ourselves a raise, but it's nice to tuck away a few extra $100,000 in years like that. And when I look back upon all the years, we've yet to have anything in the single digits. All of our returns have been positive except for one year, and the positive years have all been north of 10%. So, when you stretch it out over a long period of time, we're going to land somewhere in that 7% to 9% range. It just so happens that it's been mostly better years than what we expected. Any questions on this page? Any questions on this page? we're right there within our target allocation ish less than two percent away the 60 40 split where we want to be i'll typically you know use different areas i'll use different times during the year to rebalance or work with you to rebalance the portfolio but at this point we're kind of right where we need to be there is a slight rebalance moving about between 60 and 100 000 back to fixed income i'll show you in just a few pages speaking of rates of return on the next page this is the look back in terms of the calendar year returns from 2020 through 2025 but the top box is that 9.12 percent where have the gains come from even though we had a really good year within fixed income if you look at the box that takes you back to inception it shows 9.12 annually your aggregate bond index has given us 1.86 so we really haven't

  9. So, it's not as if we can give ourselves a raise, but it's nice to tuck away a few extra $100,000 in years like that. And when I look back upon all the years, we've yet to have anything in the single digits. All of our returns have been positive except for one year, and the positive years have all been north of 10%. So, when you stretch it out over a long period of time, we're going to land somewhere in that 7% to 9% range. It just so happens that it's been mostly better years than what we expected. Any questions on this page? Any questions on this page? we're right there within our target allocation ish less than two percent away the 60 40 split where we want to be i'll typically you know use different areas i'll use different times during the year to rebalance or work with you to rebalance the portfolio but at this point we're kind of right where we need to be there is a slight rebalance moving about between 60 and 100 000 back to fixed income i'll show you in just a few pages speaking of rates of return on the next page this is the look back in terms of the calendar year returns from 2020 through 2025 but the top box is that 9.12 percent where have the gains come from even though we had a really good year within fixed income if you look at the box that takes you back to inception it shows 9.12 annually your aggregate bond index has given us 1.86 so we really haven't gotten much out of fixed income at all i talked about how great this year was in terms of that 7.3 that's just one year out of seven fixed income's been in a rough rough shape interest rate volatility we've managed to do okay but 1.86 was not the main reason why you got to 912. it was that next item down further the s p 500 at 16.21 annually the last seven years the biggest reason why has been the 50 allocated towards domestic stocks versus the bonds and the foreign stock market and you'll notice the foreign stock market did 966 so outside of this year the foreign stocks haven't done tremendously well they've done okay positively but nothing compared to the u.s market you'll notice there's nearly a six and a half percent differential annually the u.s versus the foreign market when national market when they look back to 2019 you through the most recent year end historically speaking you can kind of see the other returns there 11.2 11.2 13.9 a lot of double-digit returns there was 2022 of course like to forget about that year but it's hard to forget it when the bonds and the stocks are both down between 13 and 20 percent and then 20 and 21 or good years as well but this is kind of the scorecard you'll notice we put 2.1 million dollars into the market we're at the we're at the foot of four million dollars now so we've nearly doubled our money in seven years or at

  10. to inception it shows 9.12 annually your aggregate bond index has given us 1.86 so we really haven't gotten much out of fixed income at all i talked about how great this year was in terms of that 7.3 that's just one year out of seven fixed income's been in a rough rough shape interest rate volatility we've managed to do okay but 1.86 was not the main reason why you got to 912. it was that next item down further the s p 500 at 16.21 annually the last seven years the biggest reason why has been the 50 allocated towards domestic stocks versus the bonds and the foreign stock market and you'll notice the foreign stock market did 966 so outside of this year the foreign stocks haven't done tremendously well they've done okay positively but nothing compared to the u.s market you'll notice there's nearly a six and a half percent differential annually the u.s versus the foreign market when national market when they look back to 2019 you through the most recent year end historically speaking you can kind of see the other returns there 11.2 11.2 13.9 a lot of double-digit returns there was 2022 of course like to forget about that year but it's hard to forget it when the bonds and the stocks are both down between 13 and 20 percent and then 20 and 21 or good years as well but this is kind of the scorecard you'll notice we put 2.1 million dollars into the market we're at the we're at the foot of four million dollars now so we've nearly doubled our money in seven years or at least we're on the path of towards doing that we'll see where we go here but we're off to a pretty good start here in 2026 already I did drop in the most recent month end statement just so you can kind of see I talked about income and net appreciation as far as securities go and they're highlighted there we earned two hundred and twenty six thousand dollars in income in this portfolio which was valued at about three point five million dollars that's a pretty good sized chunk of income earned within that eleven point two percent it represents nearly let's call it about six and a half percent of the eleven point two and then as I talked about bond prices going up and the the value of our stocks going up that was another one hundred seventy six thousand so when you think about the four hundred thousand dollars and change that was earned this year those are the two components the income and the appreciation of both bonds and stocks I just want to kind of give you a quick look back in terms of where that footnote came from this is your twelve thirty one statement did you know it's though it's just the way in which they do it at the at the custodial level I think that's their way of differentiating municipal income that municipal tax-free income versus tax income so in terms of a kind of a

  11. four million dollars now so we've nearly doubled our money in seven years or at least we're on the path of towards doing that we'll see where we go here but we're off to a pretty good start here in 2026 already I did drop in the most recent month end statement just so you can kind of see I talked about income and net appreciation as far as securities go and they're highlighted there we earned two hundred and twenty six thousand dollars in income in this portfolio which was valued at about three point five million dollars that's a pretty good sized chunk of income earned within that eleven point two percent it represents nearly let's call it about six and a half percent of the eleven point two and then as I talked about bond prices going up and the the value of our stocks going up that was another one hundred seventy six thousand so when you think about the four hundred thousand dollars and change that was earned this year those are the two components the income and the appreciation of both bonds and stocks I just want to kind of give you a quick look back in terms of where that footnote came from this is your twelve thirty one statement did you know it's though it's just the way in which they do it at the at the custodial level I think that's their way of differentiating municipal income that municipal tax-free income versus tax income so in terms of a kind of a portfolio review scorecard in terms of the individual managers on page eight we've listed all the managers at the top that we think they're performing as expected or better looking back over the last three five and ten years all of our bond managers look pretty good from Lord Abbott down to PIMCO the majority of our equity managers look pretty good there are two managers that by way of performance during 24 and 25 made the watch list and then ultimately have gotten to the point where I'd like to replace them you've got a mid cap value and a mid cap blend manager right now all spring and touchstone they've been in the portfolio for the whole seven years it's just gotten to the point where the performance is lagged they're not huge asset gatherers in terms of being either bonds or large caps but still I think in in the interest of doing what's right and making the prudent move it's a matter of moving in a different direction and replacing those two mid cap managers with a new mid cap manager part of my overall rebalance is to replace them and shift some of the money over into bonds to get back to the 60 40 allocation because right now we're 62 38 I'll come back to that item in a moment here in the comments that are coming up here but areas to monitor market observations they talked about the strong market performance of 25 I talked about the broad-based rally both fixed

  12. municipal tax-free income versus tax income so in terms of a kind of a portfolio review scorecard in terms of the individual managers on page eight we've listed all the managers at the top that we think they're performing as expected or better looking back over the last three five and ten years all of our bond managers look pretty good from Lord Abbott down to PIMCO the majority of our equity managers look pretty good there are two managers that by way of performance during 24 and 25 made the watch list and then ultimately have gotten to the point where I'd like to replace them you've got a mid cap value and a mid cap blend manager right now all spring and touchstone they've been in the portfolio for the whole seven years it's just gotten to the point where the performance is lagged they're not huge asset gatherers in terms of being either bonds or large caps but still I think in in the interest of doing what's right and making the prudent move it's a matter of moving in a different direction and replacing those two mid cap managers with a new mid cap manager part of my overall rebalance is to replace them and shift some of the money over into bonds to get back to the 60 40 allocation because right now we're 62 38 I'll come back to that item in a moment here in the comments that are coming up here but areas to monitor market observations they talked about the strong market performance of 25 I talked about the broad-based rally both fixed and equities participated the second bullet's interesting because i talked about interest rates your two-year treasury came down 75 basis points your 10-year treasury came down 40. so your yield curve kind of went back to normalized it was a bit inverted at one point now it's more normalized what that means is as that happened the debt that we own we get a little bit of an income adjustment but we get a little bit of a bond price bump as well that's what the second bullet indicates and then the third bullet talks about the 9.12 because i could talk about an annual return all day long or the most recent calendar quarter i think by way of the policy it's really that five-year number you want to look at or most notable because we've been working together so long now it's a seven-year number that we can look back upon the inception number and that's the 9.12 percent or 1 million 782 thousand dollars here comes the action items down at the bottom we did rebalance the portfolio back in january 25 after a very strong 23 and a very strong 24. we did get about that time we shifted about 70 000 i talked about replacing the two mid cap managers the manager i want to put in there we're going to move about 350 000 into that mid cap strategy and i've got performance history on the next page you can look at from that management team but it's not all the

  13. and equities participated the second bullet's interesting because i talked about interest rates your two-year treasury came down 75 basis points your 10-year treasury came down 40. so your yield curve kind of went back to normalized it was a bit inverted at one point now it's more normalized what that means is as that happened the debt that we own we get a little bit of an income adjustment but we get a little bit of a bond price bump as well that's what the second bullet indicates and then the third bullet talks about the 9.12 because i could talk about an annual return all day long or the most recent calendar quarter i think by way of the policy it's really that five-year number you want to look at or most notable because we've been working together so long now it's a seven-year number that we can look back upon the inception number and that's the 9.12 percent or 1 million 782 thousand dollars here comes the action items down at the bottom we did rebalance the portfolio back in january 25 after a very strong 23 and a very strong 24. we did get about that time we shifted about 70 000 i talked about replacing the two mid cap managers the manager i want to put in there we're going to move about 350 000 into that mid cap strategy and i've got performance history on the next page you can look at from that management team but it's not all the money about 200 000 i want to reallocate a portion 125 000 further into foreign stocks and about 75 000 dollars into fixed income so that would represent the proceeds of those two mid cap managers it's a it's a like tactical move on the foreign side the valuations of the foreign stock market are still better than the S&P 500 here in the US so from a valuation standpoint or at least in terms of where there's still value in the market to put money to work we think there's an opportunity there with it's 125,000 but it's a pretty good chunk of money we're looking to bump up our foreign exposure by about 3% that gets us closer to 14 or 15% overall the other 75,000 to fixed income will just take advantage take advantage of us trimming some money off the top after a third consecutive year double-digit growth to get us back into target at 60 equity 40 fixed income from where we are right now at 62 38 so that's 75,000 it's about 2% that will get as much back in line trimming some money out of stocks which have been a hot area to be the last three years so that's kind of the action item in front of you right now in terms of just removing a couple underperforming managers bring a new mid cap manager in there because we still want to have allocation towards ten to thirty billion dollar value companies in

  14. performance history on the next page you can look at from that management team but it's not all the money about 200 000 i want to reallocate a portion 125 000 further into foreign stocks and about 75 000 dollars into fixed income so that would represent the proceeds of those two mid cap managers it's a it's a like tactical move on the foreign side the valuations of the foreign stock market are still better than the S&P 500 here in the US so from a valuation standpoint or at least in terms of where there's still value in the market to put money to work we think there's an opportunity there with it's 125,000 but it's a pretty good chunk of money we're looking to bump up our foreign exposure by about 3% that gets us closer to 14 or 15% overall the other 75,000 to fixed income will just take advantage take advantage of us trimming some money off the top after a third consecutive year double-digit growth to get us back into target at 60 equity 40 fixed income from where we are right now at 62 38 so that's 75,000 it's about 2% that will get as much back in line trimming some money out of stocks which have been a hot area to be the last three years so that's kind of the action item in front of you right now in terms of just removing a couple underperforming managers bring a new mid cap manager in there because we still want to have allocation towards ten to thirty billion dollar value companies in the US but at the same time let's let's take a little bit of the wings off the table because these last three years have been extremely hot for us we've made nearly four hundred or five hundred thousand dollars a year this is just a way for us to prudently get back in line with where the policy statement wants us to be any questions with that one because there's a kind of a lot going on there at once replacing managers getting back into target allocation areas the market that we see value like foreign stocks a little bit more so than you U.S. stocks. But still, it's a modest tweak of about 3% to foreign. But still, it's worth noting that it's being done to take advantage of an area where the S&P in the U.S. market's pretty hot. I'm not opposed to owning U.S. stocks. I mean, obviously, this portfolio isn't meant to be here 50 years from now after we're all gone. Let's do it right now for the future. But still, in terms of taking advantage of a U.S. stock market that's still doing well, but moving money into the foreign stocks where we see opportunity. On page 11, you put here, I see that the Fuller returns, the 1, 3, and 5. But that's all I have in here, right? Can you tell us a little bit about what that fund is? Oh, it's a mid-cap. My page 11. Oh, you're okay. I'm not going to pay. The one with the returns on it. Yeah. Fuller, Thaler, what they do is they identify undervalued companies. They're California

  15. want to have allocation towards ten to thirty billion dollar value companies in the US but at the same time let's let's take a little bit of the wings off the table because these last three years have been extremely hot for us we've made nearly four hundred or five hundred thousand dollars a year this is just a way for us to prudently get back in line with where the policy statement wants us to be any questions with that one because there's a kind of a lot going on there at once replacing managers getting back into target allocation areas the market that we see value like foreign stocks a little bit more so than you U.S. stocks. But still, it's a modest tweak of about 3% to foreign. But still, it's worth noting that it's being done to take advantage of an area where the S&P in the U.S. market's pretty hot. I'm not opposed to owning U.S. stocks. I mean, obviously, this portfolio isn't meant to be here 50 years from now after we're all gone. Let's do it right now for the future. But still, in terms of taking advantage of a U.S. stock market that's still doing well, but moving money into the foreign stocks where we see opportunity. On page 11, you put here, I see that the Fuller returns, the 1, 3, and 5. But that's all I have in here, right? Can you tell us a little bit about what that fund is? Oh, it's a mid-cap. My page 11. Oh, you're okay. I'm not going to pay. The one with the returns on it. Yeah. Fuller, Thaler, what they do is they identify undervalued companies. They're California based, but it's a J.P. Morgan team that got scooped out of J.P. Morgan. They received a big paycheck to come out to California and work for this boutique firm that specializes only in managing small and mid-cap strategies, mostly value and a little bit of core. They still have a large shop. They don't do fixed income. They are primarily a management shop of billions of dollars that focuses on small and mid-cap opportunities. What they look for is areas of the market where certain companies are showing signs of strong long-term growth, but they're showing deeper value in terms of where their stock price is currently. They typically, they don't load up their portfolio with hundreds of names. They keep it to around between four. and 80 names within within their portfolio and the idea there is to buy and hold with a certain price target in mind where they will sell or trim that position down as that small cap or mid cap becomes bigger and bigger but they know their exit point when they get in it's all great to me okay yeah if you go to page um well page 12 sort of this one

  16. Yeah. Fuller, Thaler, what they do is they identify undervalued companies. They're California based, but it's a J.P. Morgan team that got scooped out of J.P. Morgan. They received a big paycheck to come out to California and work for this boutique firm that specializes only in managing small and mid-cap strategies, mostly value and a little bit of core. They still have a large shop. They don't do fixed income. They are primarily a management shop of billions of dollars that focuses on small and mid-cap opportunities. What they look for is areas of the market where certain companies are showing signs of strong long-term growth, but they're showing deeper value in terms of where their stock price is currently. They typically, they don't load up their portfolio with hundreds of names. They keep it to around between four. and 80 names within within their portfolio and the idea there is to buy and hold with a certain price target in mind where they will sell or trim that position down as that small cap or mid cap becomes bigger and bigger but they know their exit point when they get in it's all great to me okay yeah if you go to page um well page 12 sort of this one right here we're half the page at the top there's an average net expense ratio listed of 55 basis points it's my page 12 in the hard copy book you can see there that's the weighted average expense ratio of all the managers we have in there what you need to add there was an additional 20 I think it's 26 big 25 basis points for my firm so the total is 0.80 and the efficiencies of a portfolio this value we were able to we've always for years now have combined the assets of everything between the general fund and the OPEB to push that fee down on an incremental basis so what it means is instead of charging what normally would be closer to 50 or 60 basis points to manage this we lump in the money that the general fund has to drive the price down to give the smaller portfolio the economies of scale of a larger portfolio so the total cost is 0.80 and what would be average interest of total it depends how you want to invest but i would say actively manage which

  17. it's all great to me okay yeah if you go to page um well page 12 sort of this one right here we're half the page at the top there's an average net expense ratio listed of 55 basis points it's my page 12 in the hard copy book you can see there that's the weighted average expense ratio of all the managers we have in there what you need to add there was an additional 20 I think it's 26 big 25 basis points for my firm so the total is 0.80 and the efficiencies of a portfolio this value we were able to we've always for years now have combined the assets of everything between the general fund and the OPEB to push that fee down on an incremental basis so what it means is instead of charging what normally would be closer to 50 or 60 basis points to manage this we lump in the money that the general fund has to drive the price down to give the smaller portfolio the economies of scale of a larger portfolio so the total cost is 0.80 and what would be average interest of total it depends how you want to invest but i would say actively manage which is what we have here 55 is pretty lean um i would like to think that one percent is is pretty typical it is i'd say one percent for a portfolio that's five million or less anybody got any questions so i believe we should approve the recommendations yeah i'll move second it all favor all right thank you very much very concise thorough it's nice in the in the up years to have these reports yeah right down years to see how it is i haven't been on this board for a job here yeah let's keep it that way yeah but i always say we have to thank peggy cohen it was her idea to get us under the hospices of schwartz and company when we had that very lean year so yeah the time the timing was great in terms of january 2019 it's been a really nice seven-year run yeah the market's been mostly up with the exception of one year yeah i think our first year we lost the money and went under the 40 percent and had to put more in but ever since then yeah yeah well let's keep it going let's make another half going yeah great it's good to see everybody thank you so much okay so that this meeting is adjourned okay we'll call the board meetings

  18. interest of total it depends how you want to invest but i would say actively manage which is what we have here 55 is pretty lean um i would like to think that one percent is is pretty typical it is i'd say one percent for a portfolio that's five million or less anybody got any questions so i believe we should approve the recommendations yeah i'll move second it all favor all right thank you very much very concise thorough it's nice in the in the up years to have these reports yeah right down years to see how it is i haven't been on this board for a job here yeah let's keep it that way yeah but i always say we have to thank peggy cohen it was her idea to get us under the hospices of schwartz and company when we had that very lean year so yeah the time the timing was great in terms of january 2019 it's been a really nice seven-year run yeah the market's been mostly up with the exception of one year yeah i think our first year we lost the money and went under the 40 percent and had to put more in but ever since then yeah yeah well let's keep it going let's make another half going yeah great it's good to see everybody thank you so much okay so that this meeting is adjourned okay we'll call the board meetings and then uh we'll start with this anyone have a request for move an item from the consent agenda none so we will can i get a motion to approve the order of items for the regular and consent agenda second all in favor aye start with my report well i guess i'll just point out a couple of things one is uh i've been here quite a few times and this like the library is a cold weather refuge it's spectacular you guys can see how crowded the parking lot is i think if we sent last year a reminder during the typically cold seasons to the township i would suggest we do that again because it is cold out there it's nice to get out of the house um and then just the breadth of activities that you see we have going on it's unbelievable i mean there's kids everywhere there's activities there's billboards i saw the posting today from the second graders on the social media and then last i came to the a friend's book sale my daughter is an avid book reader and she loved i mean she'll buy 20 at a time she's like dad we have to get there early i'm like we got here 10 minutes and we were 32nd in line to get into never too early can you go in front of the

  19. and then uh we'll start with this anyone have a request for move an item from the consent agenda none so we will can i get a motion to approve the order of items for the regular and consent agenda second all in favor aye start with my report well i guess i'll just point out a couple of things one is uh i've been here quite a few times and this like the library is a cold weather refuge it's spectacular you guys can see how crowded the parking lot is i think if we sent last year a reminder during the typically cold seasons to the township i would suggest we do that again because it is cold out there it's nice to get out of the house um and then just the breadth of activities that you see we have going on it's unbelievable i mean there's kids everywhere there's activities there's billboards i saw the posting today from the second graders on the social media and then last i came to the a friend's book sale my daughter is an avid book reader and she loved i mean she'll buy 20 at a time she's like dad we have to get there early i'm like we got here 10 minutes and we were 32nd in line to get into never too early can you go in front of the line at a time she's like don't you know why i am so but we had a great it was a great did you walk out with 20 books uh i think we had 18 we bring the bags I heard they had over 100 people in line before the sale opened. I couldn't see the end of the line. Was it a special sale? Oh, just winter. People reading in the winter. That's great. Yeah. I'll turn it over to you. Great. Well, I was also going to acknowledge the busyness. This is exam week for Bloomfield Hills High School. So many, many students here study. And they actually are studying. Oh, wow. Yeah. No, me neither. People are taking advantage of our rolling whiteboards that we've purchased more of. We've got some little desktop whiteboards that the students are really enjoying. There's a lot of people in the building, and there has been for the last couple of days. And I want to say there's no incidents or bad behavior. I mean, it's going to hell. Our parking lot's really crowded, and I see people circling. And I heard somebody talking about, you know, waiting for parking spots to open up.

  20. we got here 10 minutes and we were 32nd in line to get into never too early can you go in front of the line at a time she's like don't you know why i am so but we had a great it was a great did you walk out with 20 books uh i think we had 18 we bring the bags I heard they had over 100 people in line before the sale opened. I couldn't see the end of the line. Was it a special sale? Oh, just winter. People reading in the winter. That's great. Yeah. I'll turn it over to you. Great. Well, I was also going to acknowledge the busyness. This is exam week for Bloomfield Hills High School. So many, many students here study. And they actually are studying. Oh, wow. Yeah. No, me neither. People are taking advantage of our rolling whiteboards that we've purchased more of. We've got some little desktop whiteboards that the students are really enjoying. There's a lot of people in the building, and there has been for the last couple of days. And I want to say there's no incidents or bad behavior. I mean, it's going to hell. Our parking lot's really crowded, and I see people circling. And I heard somebody talking about, you know, waiting for parking spots to open up. So that continues to be, it's a concern of mine, but I'm not sure what we, maybe because I can't do anything about it. But we're so glad that the students are here, and we welcome them. I was going to also mention the display of postcards that are in the local history display case, which you have to kind of walk in and go toward the adult and teen services desk to find the local history display case. But- Second grade classes at Conant Elementary were tasked with making a postcard about their favorite place in Bloomfield Township and they're really, really cute. There's several for the library. There's a bunch for Target and Starbucks. My personal favorite is Carl's Golf Land. There's some second grader out there that loves Carl's Golf Land. But they're really, really cute. Any for Costco? That's my personal favorite. You know, I don't remember one for Costco, but there's one for Kroger. I saw one for Costco. It's not the same. The other display we have in the main lobby display case is also really delightful and worth checking out. It's from the Great Lakes Heritage Quilters. There's some really, really unique and unusual quilts in there. It's really colorful. Makes you feel cozy for wintertime.

  21. And I heard somebody talking about, you know, waiting for parking spots to open up. So that continues to be, it's a concern of mine, but I'm not sure what we, maybe because I can't do anything about it. But we're so glad that the students are here, and we welcome them. I was going to also mention the display of postcards that are in the local history display case, which you have to kind of walk in and go toward the adult and teen services desk to find the local history display case. But- Second grade classes at Conant Elementary were tasked with making a postcard about their favorite place in Bloomfield Township and they're really, really cute. There's several for the library. There's a bunch for Target and Starbucks. My personal favorite is Carl's Golf Land. There's some second grader out there that loves Carl's Golf Land. But they're really, really cute. Any for Costco? That's my personal favorite. You know, I don't remember one for Costco, but there's one for Kroger. I saw one for Costco. It's not the same. The other display we have in the main lobby display case is also really delightful and worth checking out. It's from the Great Lakes Heritage Quilters. There's some really, really unique and unusual quilts in there. It's really colorful. Makes you feel cozy for wintertime. Both of our display cases right now are really great. You may have, or you did receive an email from Catherine inviting you to the opening reception for the American Revolution Experience. We are hosting this traveling exhibit for a week and the kickoff reception is this Sunday from 1230 to two. The American Revolution Experience is a collaborative project of the American Battlefield Trust and the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution. And they are moving to Thanksgiving. this exhibit around to various places and we're pleased to host it for a week if you can't make it this sunday for the reception it'll be here until january 30th in the community room so hopefully you can stop by and check it out it includes display panels and interactive digital kiosks and as i mentioned it's presented by the dar it's the piety hill chapter of the dar which is headquartered in birmingham so we're very pleased to show this off and catherine and i will

  22. The other display we have in the main lobby display case is also really delightful and worth checking out. It's from the Great Lakes Heritage Quilters. There's some really, really unique and unusual quilts in there. It's really colorful. Makes you feel cozy for wintertime. Both of our display cases right now are really great. You may have, or you did receive an email from Catherine inviting you to the opening reception for the American Revolution Experience. We are hosting this traveling exhibit for a week and the kickoff reception is this Sunday from 1230 to two. The American Revolution Experience is a collaborative project of the American Battlefield Trust and the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution. And they are moving to Thanksgiving. this exhibit around to various places and we're pleased to host it for a week if you can't make it this sunday for the reception it'll be here until january 30th in the community room so hopefully you can stop by and check it out it includes display panels and interactive digital kiosks and as i mentioned it's presented by the dar it's the piety hill chapter of the dar which is headquartered in birmingham so we're very pleased to show this off and catherine and i will be present at the reception and we get to say a few remarks on behalf of the library very nice what time are the remarks i'm not sure okay because it goes through the 12 3 to 2 yeah i think they're starting at the beginning okay the first half hours um display cases where will they end up in the library reimagined plan great question um the local history ones will be by the local history area which is moving to our teen is and the main ones will be close to where the adult and teen services program room is okay and i can point that out when we go through okay fair enough thanks all right that's my report wonderful which takes us to the budget review did anybody have any comments on the expenses no I had just a few on page five. There's a check to the bulk bookstore, 6,600, for payments of the One District, One Book. What's that? One District, One Book is an effort between the elementary schools and us,

  23. which is headquartered in birmingham so we're very pleased to show this off and catherine and i will be present at the reception and we get to say a few remarks on behalf of the library very nice what time are the remarks i'm not sure okay because it goes through the 12 3 to 2 yeah i think they're starting at the beginning okay the first half hours um display cases where will they end up in the library reimagined plan great question um the local history ones will be by the local history area which is moving to our teen is and the main ones will be close to where the adult and teen services program room is okay and i can point that out when we go through okay fair enough thanks all right that's my report wonderful which takes us to the budget review did anybody have any comments on the expenses no I had just a few on page five. There's a check to the bulk bookstore, 6,600, for payments of the One District, One Book. What's that? One District, One Book is an effort between the elementary schools and us, and it's to encourage all the elementary schools to read one book and then have a bunch of programming around it. So we're inviting the author here to speak. I wish I could remember what the book is. It's like a race to something. I thought it was adult, because we've done it for adults. We have done it for adult, but this is for the elementary schools. And we ask the friends for support, and we are able to purchase almost 2,000 copies of the book and give it to every elementary school. That's incredible. The New York Times bestseller is. And then on page six, Mobility City, is that the scooter? Is that maintenance? Yeah, it's a monthly maintenance fee. They come out and look at it every month, and if there's a problem with it, they'll come out. How has that been working out? Great. Okay. Great. Really good. What's the usage? Oh, we don't keep track, but like every day, if somebody... Yeah, a couple a day. Yeah. That's wonderful. Yeah, that was a really good decision. I'm so glad. So long. And then the $627,000 in the township, I didn't go back and look. Is that... It seemed high. It is high. It was two payrolls, but it was also our annual pension contribution, which was about $212,000.

  24. One District, One Book is an effort between the elementary schools and us, and it's to encourage all the elementary schools to read one book and then have a bunch of programming around it. So we're inviting the author here to speak. I wish I could remember what the book is. It's like a race to something. I thought it was adult, because we've done it for adults. We have done it for adult, but this is for the elementary schools. And we ask the friends for support, and we are able to purchase almost 2,000 copies of the book and give it to every elementary school. That's incredible. The New York Times bestseller is. And then on page six, Mobility City, is that the scooter? Is that maintenance? Yeah, it's a monthly maintenance fee. They come out and look at it every month, and if there's a problem with it, they'll come out. How has that been working out? Great. Okay. Great. Really good. What's the usage? Oh, we don't keep track, but like every day, if somebody... Yeah, a couple a day. Yeah. That's wonderful. Yeah, that was a really good decision. I'm so glad. So long. And then the $627,000 in the township, I didn't go back and look. Is that... It seemed high. It is high. It was two payrolls, but it was also our annual pension contribution, which was about $212,000. thousand dollars we also had to pay the annual um health savings account contribution that we paid to all the employees and then a couple of other um like annual fees that we have to pay at the beginning of the year so that was a big one okay and then my last two were lakeshore learning i didn't recognize and micro marketing lakeshore learning i it's some vendor of books or dvds i didn't look to see what what we got from that but micro marketing is cds and dvds i thought it was some kind of marketing firm i wasn't aware no i don't know it's a weird name for a company maybe it's in chicago cds and dvds on our budget on page eight so we're 75 of the way through there's nothing here that really jumped out at me at all i think we're in good shape we've got a little bit of overage on maintenance but we've spent that to carry over from some prior periods so i think that's all fine uh the gift budget to me looks fine um do you want to talk to page 10 i can talk about page 10. shane had asked on page 10 is where is our asset allocation summary and shane had asked about the 4.73 annual yield that we have listed for the rbc capital investments

  25. thousand dollars we also had to pay the annual um health savings account contribution that we paid to all the employees and then a couple of other um like annual fees that we have to pay at the beginning of the year so that was a big one okay and then my last two were lakeshore learning i didn't recognize and micro marketing lakeshore learning i it's some vendor of books or dvds i didn't look to see what what we got from that but micro marketing is cds and dvds i thought it was some kind of marketing firm i wasn't aware no i don't know it's a weird name for a company maybe it's in chicago cds and dvds on our budget on page eight so we're 75 of the way through there's nothing here that really jumped out at me at all i think we're in good shape we've got a little bit of overage on maintenance but we've spent that to carry over from some prior periods so i think that's all fine uh the gift budget to me looks fine um do you want to talk to page 10 i can talk about page 10. shane had asked on page 10 is where is our asset allocation summary and shane had asked about the 4.73 annual yield that we have listed for the rbc capital investments that's incorrect um kathy and i had some miscommunication on how that gets done so she reached out to matt to find earlier today to get the correct annual yield and find out how to figure that out so it really is 4.14 so does that far off but it is significantly higher than the other ones but i thought that was the case that we had one one fund that was higher yield so this is our main fund so you take the ladder all those investments on the ladder are like you'll see it later but it's you know they're high end of four two so the four seven was outstanding and i my question was wow how are we getting such above market returns and the answer is yeah four two is still wonderful because interest rates have declined i'm very happy with that number but so just a small correction um anybody else have any answer questions so on page 11 we've got the motion um monthly motion to approve which i'm happy to read i move to approve the monthly cash disbursements in the form of the check numbers noted for a grand total of 947 545.48 broken down as listed on the resolution second all in favor all right all right you had a couple other questions that

  26. and shane had asked about the 4.73 annual yield that we have listed for the rbc capital investments that's incorrect um kathy and i had some miscommunication on how that gets done so she reached out to matt to find earlier today to get the correct annual yield and find out how to figure that out so it really is 4.14 so does that far off but it is significantly higher than the other ones but i thought that was the case that we had one one fund that was higher yield so this is our main fund so you take the ladder all those investments on the ladder are like you'll see it later but it's you know they're high end of four two so the four seven was outstanding and i my question was wow how are we getting such above market returns and the answer is yeah four two is still wonderful because interest rates have declined i'm very happy with that number but so just a small correction um anybody else have any answer questions so on page 11 we've got the motion um monthly motion to approve which i'm happy to read i move to approve the monthly cash disbursements in the form of the check numbers noted for a grand total of 947 545.48 broken down as listed on the resolution second all in favor all right all right you had a couple other questions that you said to me on the expenses yeah go ahead um you had asked about are we really going to get eight million dollars over the next three months the answer is yes this is that's the time of year yeah and we will get it we will get it um you had also uh mentioned postage which yes it is killing us but nothing we can really do about it think of all those people that you're keeping employed the post office you already talked about okay maybe it's a question about penal codes because I did read something maybe from MLA about there's a possibility somebody's calling for potentially that to end I know we've talked about it before it's not for us a significant amount I don't know how close that is to being discussed and I don't know either I'll have to double check I know it's come up before somebody's always after that yes yes but it's going back to the the what I read was that it's if they're asking for it to go back to the to what is this oh you know for a lot of libraries that's gonna mm-hmm that's

  27. on the resolution second all in favor all right all right you had a couple other questions that you said to me on the expenses yeah go ahead um you had asked about are we really going to get eight million dollars over the next three months the answer is yes this is that's the time of year yeah and we will get it we will get it um you had also uh mentioned postage which yes it is killing us but nothing we can really do about it think of all those people that you're keeping employed the post office you already talked about okay maybe it's a question about penal codes because I did read something maybe from MLA about there's a possibility somebody's calling for potentially that to end I know we've talked about it before it's not for us a significant amount I don't know how close that is to being discussed and I don't know either I'll have to double check I know it's come up before somebody's always after that yes yes but it's going back to the the what I read was that it's if they're asking for it to go back to the to what is this oh you know for a lot of libraries that's gonna mm-hmm that's significant disastrous okay you had also asked about some comments around coffee and vending oh okay we can do that another there was a comment so I think that takes us to the call to the public which it's mercifully represented it would be me and I'm here as an associate representative and I'd like to comment that the staff party we had on January 10th though the weather was not cooperative it was a success It was a lot of people all night long just commenting on how nice it was just to be able to get out and see people outside of work. So it was a good feeling, and I was very proud to have both my husband and my son with me. That was fun. And for February, and this is, Nicole gets the kudos for the name, we are doing the Cozy Cup Cafe, which is going to be hot beverages, primarily hot cocoa.

  28. to what is this oh you know for a lot of libraries that's gonna mm-hmm that's significant disastrous okay you had also asked about some comments around coffee and vending oh okay we can do that another there was a comment so I think that takes us to the call to the public which it's mercifully represented it would be me and I'm here as an associate representative and I'd like to comment that the staff party we had on January 10th though the weather was not cooperative it was a success It was a lot of people all night long just commenting on how nice it was just to be able to get out and see people outside of work. So it was a good feeling, and I was very proud to have both my husband and my son with me. That was fun. And for February, and this is, Nicole gets the kudos for the name, we are doing the Cozy Cup Cafe, which is going to be hot beverages, primarily hot cocoa. Because that's always a fun thing to do. And we're doing bingo again, because that's always fun as well. So, and then we're going to be doing officers. I plan to stay on for another year. Good for you. Thank you. For SOC, you're welcome. It's been fun. And, you know, now having this first party under our belt, we're like, ooh, now we're going to have another one. So, you know, we had a fun time, Nicole, Jane, and I, doing the stuff for staff this year. And we're kind of excited, because before the party, our budget was almost $5,000. So that was cool. We're not going to ask what it is now. Yeah, I know. But, you know, I just keep bringing my returnables in so that I can, you know, keep giving us some cash for the check-in-and-go. But we're having a good time with SOC and doing things for staff. So it's been great. It's been a lot of fun. It's been nice. Thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you. It's a joy. Thank you, Anna. So unfinished business committees, I didn't know there was an open switch. Well, last month we talked about committee assignments and there was one question. I think everybody was good staying with their committee assignments, but Keith had expressed the possibility of rotating the friends meeting.

  29. Because that's always a fun thing to do. And we're doing bingo again, because that's always fun as well. So, and then we're going to be doing officers. I plan to stay on for another year. Good for you. Thank you. For SOC, you're welcome. It's been fun. And, you know, now having this first party under our belt, we're like, ooh, now we're going to have another one. So, you know, we had a fun time, Nicole, Jane, and I, doing the stuff for staff this year. And we're kind of excited, because before the party, our budget was almost $5,000. So that was cool. We're not going to ask what it is now. Yeah, I know. But, you know, I just keep bringing my returnables in so that I can, you know, keep giving us some cash for the check-in-and-go. But we're having a good time with SOC and doing things for staff. So it's been great. It's been a lot of fun. It's been nice. Thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you. It's a joy. Thank you, Anna. So unfinished business committees, I didn't know there was an open switch. Well, last month we talked about committee assignments and there was one question. I think everybody was good staying with their committee assignments, but Keith had expressed the possibility of rotating the friends meeting. But, Keith, did you want to talk about that? No, I'm okay just continuing to do it. So I know I brought up a concern, but, you know, hey, we all have to do things. I don't necessarily like all that much, but that's fine. We were all sympathetic to the monthly meeting. Yeah. But I think we now have a process that everybody can jump in. You know, I think, didn't you jump in this time? Happy to if ever you're not able to. Yeah, that's fine. I'm good for now. Yes, I appreciate that. I know I'm not the only one. I'd love to go, too. I think it's great if you send us those notes. One of the three you sent us the notes that there's a friend's meeting who wants to go. I said that. But it sounds like if you're going to. I'll take care of it for now. And if you can. If something comes up, I'll ask if there could be a substitute. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I originally had said I would tag team with Keith. Yes. Yes. And I can. Okay. I should be able to do it next time. Okay. As long as I can keep coming virtually, it's no problem. Yeah. Oh, that's a good thing. Yeah. Great. Thank you, Keith. Of course. My pleasure to do my part. All right. So, um, I don't think.

  30. the possibility of rotating the friends meeting. But, Keith, did you want to talk about that? No, I'm okay just continuing to do it. So I know I brought up a concern, but, you know, hey, we all have to do things. I don't necessarily like all that much, but that's fine. We were all sympathetic to the monthly meeting. Yeah. But I think we now have a process that everybody can jump in. You know, I think, didn't you jump in this time? Happy to if ever you're not able to. Yeah, that's fine. I'm good for now. Yes, I appreciate that. I know I'm not the only one. I'd love to go, too. I think it's great if you send us those notes. One of the three you sent us the notes that there's a friend's meeting who wants to go. I said that. But it sounds like if you're going to. I'll take care of it for now. And if you can. If something comes up, I'll ask if there could be a substitute. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I originally had said I would tag team with Keith. Yes. Yes. And I can. Okay. I should be able to do it next time. Okay. As long as I can keep coming virtually, it's no problem. Yeah. Oh, that's a good thing. Yeah. Great. Thank you, Keith. Of course. My pleasure to do my part. All right. So, um, I don't think. have anything further on that in your um folders there was the proposed committees and um lindon and i will make that a approved and we'll email it out to you guys thank you all right um well we have jared on the teams with us tonight hi jared hey guys how are you pretty good um can everybody hear me all right yes can you hear us okay is the audio okay tonight yeah it sounds good now it was coming uh in and out a little bit earlier but i think we're good okay great all right well um so what we are going to do tonight is you might think to yourself haven't we already seen this design already tara yes you have um but the times that we have gone through this have been at meetings that are not technically public meetings um you know we've gone through our 60 percent page turn meeting which the library design committee did on december 4th um i joy was only a trustee present at that and then we did an abridged version of that for you all at the december 11th building grounds committee meeting so you were able to see the

  31. have anything further on that in your um folders there was the proposed committees and um lindon and i will make that a approved and we'll email it out to you guys thank you all right um well we have jared on the teams with us tonight hi jared hey guys how are you pretty good um can everybody hear me all right yes can you hear us okay is the audio okay tonight yeah it sounds good now it was coming uh in and out a little bit earlier but i think we're good okay great all right well um so what we are going to do tonight is you might think to yourself haven't we already seen this design already tara yes you have um but the times that we have gone through this have been at meetings that are not technically public meetings um you know we've gone through our 60 percent page turn meeting which the library design committee did on december 4th um i joy was only a trustee present at that and then we did an abridged version of that for you all at the december 11th building grounds committee meeting so you were able to see the the design there and then this is for the benefit of the public um if there were any public here but it's also being recorded and recorded in a minute and just going to give a very very high level overview of the big changes coming for the with the design project and then after i'm i am asking you to approve the design development phase as presented tonight or to consider approving it and then that will close out the design development phase and we'll be moving on to the next phase which is construction documents as you know we've already hired mccarthy and smith as our construction manager and i know jared has already started meeting with them and we're we're getting a rhythm to monthly meetings down and kind of figuring out what we're doing next so that work is happening i'll talk a little bit about the budget once i go through the whole design and um yeah i think that that's all i want to say to introduce this topic jared is there anything that you want to add before i start um no you did a great job of summarizing uh yeah we have started uh discussions with mccarthy and smith um they uh you know taking

  32. for you all at the december 11th building grounds committee meeting so you were able to see the the design there and then this is for the benefit of the public um if there were any public here but it's also being recorded and recorded in a minute and just going to give a very very high level overview of the big changes coming for the with the design project and then after i'm i am asking you to approve the design development phase as presented tonight or to consider approving it and then that will close out the design development phase and we'll be moving on to the next phase which is construction documents as you know we've already hired mccarthy and smith as our construction manager and i know jared has already started meeting with them and we're we're getting a rhythm to monthly meetings down and kind of figuring out what we're doing next so that work is happening i'll talk a little bit about the budget once i go through the whole design and um yeah i think that that's all i want to say to introduce this topic jared is there anything that you want to add before i start um no you did a great job of summarizing uh yeah we have started uh discussions with mccarthy and smith um they uh you know taking our design development package and are already going through it uh to build out a budget estimate in comparison to the one that we had done in the design development phase so that'll be the the next step is regrouping with them and making sure that uh this conceptual budget that we have put together is uh still on point and uh determine if we need to make any adjustments before we get any further than that great thank you All right, I am going to, Jared, in the room here, I'm going to pull up this design, these documents, but it's covering you up. But everybody, right now we are looking at that cover page that you sent to us, the cover of the packet. And this just shows the rendering of the main lobby area. So I'm just going to go through this really high level. Catherine, if you want to chime in with anything or Joy that I'm missing or forgotten, please do. Jared, if you want to chime in with anything, please do. If anyone has any questions, please ask. So this is the view coming into the library. So the circulation desk is over here.

  33. summarizing uh yeah we have started uh discussions with mccarthy and smith um they uh you know taking our design development package and are already going through it uh to build out a budget estimate in comparison to the one that we had done in the design development phase so that'll be the the next step is regrouping with them and making sure that uh this conceptual budget that we have put together is uh still on point and uh determine if we need to make any adjustments before we get any further than that great thank you All right, I am going to, Jared, in the room here, I'm going to pull up this design, these documents, but it's covering you up. But everybody, right now we are looking at that cover page that you sent to us, the cover of the packet. And this just shows the rendering of the main lobby area. So I'm just going to go through this really high level. Catherine, if you want to chime in with anything or Joy that I'm missing or forgotten, please do. Jared, if you want to chime in with anything, please do. If anyone has any questions, please ask. So this is the view coming into the library. So the circulation desk is over here. The comments is right here. This will be the adult and teen services desk. I can zoom in on this a little bit. This is the fireplace, which, as we've said, we are opening up to be two-sided. And this is also the place where we are planning for that Pouabic tile installation that we are hoping to collaborate with Pouabic and Ruth Adler-Shenay's family and estate. On that side, but on the other side. Right. Okay, maybe wrap all the way around. I don't know. Let's see. You can see that Quest has a new home right here. So Quest is still in a very prominent location in the main lobby. You don't know. You don't know. You don't know. services desk is here and then going back into this area is where we're moving the public computers so that's to give you a flavor of kind of the tone the look and feel of the redesign let me pull up now our um please stand by well tara has technical difficulties in that big open space in the gray was there seating in there uh no that will just be open sort of how it is now

  34. The comments is right here. This will be the adult and teen services desk. I can zoom in on this a little bit. This is the fireplace, which, as we've said, we are opening up to be two-sided. And this is also the place where we are planning for that Pouabic tile installation that we are hoping to collaborate with Pouabic and Ruth Adler-Shenay's family and estate. On that side, but on the other side. Right. Okay, maybe wrap all the way around. I don't know. Let's see. You can see that Quest has a new home right here. So Quest is still in a very prominent location in the main lobby. You don't know. You don't know. You don't know. services desk is here and then going back into this area is where we're moving the public computers so that's to give you a flavor of kind of the tone the look and feel of the redesign let me pull up now our um please stand by well tara has technical difficulties in that big open space in the gray was there seating in there uh no that will just be open sort of how it is now um the commons is off to the left there will be seating there okay this is what i want okay now uh jared i am showing the page with the big ideas on the floor plan uh so it's been just over a year that we've been really thinking about this project in earnest it was about a year ago that we were interviewing um architectural firms and designers to hire for this project so i'm super excited to be here at this point after all the time and energy that we've put toward this project over the last year um just to take us back you know we started talking with jenna walker a few years ago about our goals for a project like this and inclusivity and accessibility accessibility were top of our mind um jenna and chloe and the team helped us refine to these three pillars of connecting to nature building inclusive community and embracing universities so that we have the opportunities of training we can complete We choose so that we can do not think about those things in 2020 and of course we have the difference as Iaram mob made it that you'll answer and and honoring our heritage of this beautiful mid-century modern building and we're really going to lean into that with the look and feel of the furniture and the finishes so to recap the big ideas of this project so this is the floor plan of the library

  35. gray was there seating in there uh no that will just be open sort of how it is now um the commons is off to the left there will be seating there okay this is what i want okay now uh jared i am showing the page with the big ideas on the floor plan uh so it's been just over a year that we've been really thinking about this project in earnest it was about a year ago that we were interviewing um architectural firms and designers to hire for this project so i'm super excited to be here at this point after all the time and energy that we've put toward this project over the last year um just to take us back you know we started talking with jenna walker a few years ago about our goals for a project like this and inclusivity and accessibility accessibility were top of our mind um jenna and chloe and the team helped us refine to these three pillars of connecting to nature building inclusive community and embracing universities so that we have the opportunities of training we can complete We choose so that we can do not think about those things in 2020 and of course we have the difference as Iaram mob made it that you'll answer and and honoring our heritage of this beautiful mid-century modern building and we're really going to lean into that with the look and feel of the furniture and the finishes so to recap the big ideas of this project so this is the floor plan of the library the main entrance is right here this is youth this is the vending cafe and circulation area the commons is over here this is the adult and teen services area to get you oriented to this area so the first big idea is to move holds from way at the end of the circulation desk to the vending cafe this was something that came up many many times where people said that they wish they could get their holds even quicker and they wish that they were closer to the door so we're moving those here the vending cafe will retain its character and vibe of being a place where people will gather and they can be a little bit more loud they can eat their lunch or dinner in that area so it will retain some of its current vibe but holds will be here too a door will be built here to the circulation workroom so the circulation staff has easy access to that area another change happening in this part of the library is that the welcome desk will be connected to the circulation desk this is to provide a safe egress for the welcome desk staff in the case of an active threat that were to come in the front

  36. so to recap the big ideas of this project so this is the floor plan of the library the main entrance is right here this is youth this is the vending cafe and circulation area the commons is over here this is the adult and teen services area to get you oriented to this area so the first big idea is to move holds from way at the end of the circulation desk to the vending cafe this was something that came up many many times where people said that they wish they could get their holds even quicker and they wish that they were closer to the door so we're moving those here the vending cafe will retain its character and vibe of being a place where people will gather and they can be a little bit more loud they can eat their lunch or dinner in that area so it will retain some of its current vibe but holds will be here too a door will be built here to the circulation workroom so the circulation staff has easy access to that area another change happening in this part of the library is that the welcome desk will be connected to the circulation desk this is to provide a safe egress for the welcome desk staff in the case of an active threat that were to come in the front door it also encourages better communication between the two departments and desks the circulation desk is going to get an entire facelift as well and we talked about that a little bit when we talked about finishes the last time changes happening over well let me go in order the numbers here because this area is transformed into a hold cafe the vending machines will be moving to a new corridor that's being built behind the magazine area this corridor will connect youth services with the teen area which is moving to this spot here which is something which is some feedback that we received multiple times that siblings that might be straddling these two age groups wanted more connection to each other so there could be some younger kids in the youth room older kids in the teen area there's a much closer direct shot to the between those areas now vending machines would go in this little corridor here so they wouldn't be out front and center for everyone to see they would be kind of tucked back in here this would also be a place where we put our bulletin board for public postings and a sensory room which i'll talk about in a second the magazine

  37. door it also encourages better communication between the two departments and desks the circulation desk is going to get an entire facelift as well and we talked about that a little bit when we talked about finishes the last time changes happening over well let me go in order the numbers here because this area is transformed into a hold cafe the vending machines will be moving to a new corridor that's being built behind the magazine area this corridor will connect youth services with the teen area which is moving to this spot here which is something which is some feedback that we received multiple times that siblings that might be straddling these two age groups wanted more connection to each other so there could be some younger kids in the youth room older kids in the teen area there's a much closer direct shot to the between those areas now vending machines would go in this little corridor here so they wouldn't be out front and center for everyone to see they would be kind of tucked back in here this would also be a place where we put our bulletin board for public postings and a sensory room which i'll talk about in a second the magazine room would get a whole facelift including new flooring new furniture but it would still remain the magazine room the skylights would remain the same so i think again the vibe there will be pretty similar we are looking at getting a new coffee machine that would sit on the counter here and would be hopefully better than the coffee vending that we have currently feel like the one at baldwin and would be more like the one at baldwin which is a countertop model that um it's just it seems better we'll see do you anticipate people going into that area to gather snacks and food and then going into the cat taking it over to the cafe yes yeah um number four on this floor plan is our new adult and teen services program room no i'm sorry yeah it's what is number four i think some of the display area you got your key up from my room you scroll back up unless it's the the core that's the connector the connector yeah okay it's the connector thank you except for i i same thing yeah though i know it was

  38. bulletin board for public postings and a sensory room which i'll talk about in a second the magazine room would get a whole facelift including new flooring new furniture but it would still remain the magazine room the skylights would remain the same so i think again the vibe there will be pretty similar we are looking at getting a new coffee machine that would sit on the counter here and would be hopefully better than the coffee vending that we have currently feel like the one at baldwin and would be more like the one at baldwin which is a countertop model that um it's just it seems better we'll see do you anticipate people going into that area to gather snacks and food and then going into the cat taking it over to the cafe yes yeah um number four on this floor plan is our new adult and teen services program room no i'm sorry yeah it's what is number four i think some of the display area you got your key up from my room you scroll back up unless it's the the core that's the connector the connector yeah okay it's the connector thank you except for i i same thing yeah though i know it was it's staff it's more staff isn't it the connect that connector corridor no the no that's to connect the okay it'll be to yeah but where four is i think it's just a weird placement of of it okay because three is move coffee and vending to magazine room four is the add connector between youth and relocated could i go back to the you know me and the vet machines I'm being relocated what do you think the access and for people to go they want to sit in the cafe are they going to go through the magazine room or and there's a little door right here okay because I'm just asking because that will be a lot of tread on that particular area so we whatever the flooring is I think we have to be conscious of that that we don't want to have track marks yeah I think why isn't cleanable yeah I think it's rubber flooring okay all right no no machines in the cafe no vending machines in the camp in the magazine room area I don't know it not in the cabbie has to know all the vending machines would be in this corridor okay so that way to sign a table in there most and from observation most people who are sitting in the

  39. the connector yeah okay it's the connector thank you except for i i same thing yeah though i know it was it's staff it's more staff isn't it the connect that connector corridor no the no that's to connect the okay it'll be to yeah but where four is i think it's just a weird placement of of it okay because three is move coffee and vending to magazine room four is the add connector between youth and relocated could i go back to the you know me and the vet machines I'm being relocated what do you think the access and for people to go they want to sit in the cafe are they going to go through the magazine room or and there's a little door right here okay because I'm just asking because that will be a lot of tread on that particular area so we whatever the flooring is I think we have to be conscious of that that we don't want to have track marks yeah I think why isn't cleanable yeah I think it's rubber flooring okay all right no no machines in the cafe no vending machines in the camp in the magazine room area I don't know it not in the cabbie has to know all the vending machines would be in this corridor okay so that way to sign a table in there most and from observation most people who are sitting in the current vending cafe are sitting there to study or play games or meet with somebody they're not sitting there because they got snacks out of that machine people are walking much further back in the library to go to the vending machines and then because we allow snacks throughout the building already they're walking right back out I think this actually moves those machines closer to where the people are that actually want the snacks good point all right number five indicates the youth services room that's this big area here the changes coming to this area are moving the youth services desk it will be when you first walk in the door it'll be immediately to your right and this is a change that these services staff has wanted for a long time it increases their visibility their lines of vision across the whole department it makes it much easier for them to see what's going on and the footprint of the desk of that desk and the adult and teen services desks would be decreased considerably those desks are very very

  40. in there most and from observation most people who are sitting in the current vending cafe are sitting there to study or play games or meet with somebody they're not sitting there because they got snacks out of that machine people are walking much further back in the library to go to the vending machines and then because we allow snacks throughout the building already they're walking right back out I think this actually moves those machines closer to where the people are that actually want the snacks good point all right number five indicates the youth services room that's this big area here the changes coming to this area are moving the youth services desk it will be when you first walk in the door it'll be immediately to your right and this is a change that these services staff has wanted for a long time it increases their visibility their lines of vision across the whole department it makes it much easier for them to see what's going on and the footprint of the desk of that desk and the adult and teen services desks would be decreased considerably those desks are very very big and they just it's a lot of wasted space so the design team worked really hard to ensure that they will have all the space that they need for the equipment that they have there and a lot of storage as well and so we feel really confident that these two service desks will be good replacements for the ones that are there currently other changes coming to the youth area are just a lot more furniture to support collaborative learning such as with like a parent and a child working on some homework or a tutor and a student and then we have a lot of cozy furniture well for as well for families to enjoy stories and connect over books the youth story room will get a facelift in new flooring and new paint we're adding a lactation room which is something that we get a request for quite frequently that room will have a lock and staff will let people in and out of it and then we're just keeping these two study rooms but giving them a bit of a facelift to kind of tone down the very very bright pink and orange paint that's currently there the early childhood area over here will get a facelift as well and youth services has some

  41. services desks would be decreased considerably those desks are very very big and they just it's a lot of wasted space so the design team worked really hard to ensure that they will have all the space that they need for the equipment that they have there and a lot of storage as well and so we feel really confident that these two service desks will be good replacements for the ones that are there currently other changes coming to the youth area are just a lot more furniture to support collaborative learning such as with like a parent and a child working on some homework or a tutor and a student and then we have a lot of cozy furniture well for as well for families to enjoy stories and connect over books the youth story room will get a facelift in new flooring and new paint we're adding a lactation room which is something that we get a request for quite frequently that room will have a lock and staff will let people in and out of it and then we're just keeping these two study rooms but giving them a bit of a facelift to kind of tone down the very very bright pink and orange paint that's currently there the early childhood area over here will get a facelift as well and youth services has some plans for some interactive toys and panels to purchase there another major addition to the youth room is a sensory room this entrance the entrance to the sensory room will actually be in the corridor okay when you zoom in on this it's like really zoomed in um the entrance will be in the corridor um and i think that was just because of how because this wall is brick and they didn't want to make a door in that wall the sensory room will be for uh folks who maybe need to tone down their sensory stimulation or maybe need a little bit more active stimulation in that room so that will have a door on it and will be monitored by the youth services staff i have a quick question about that yeah so if the point is to tone down we have it right next to the vending machines and in a hall that might have a lot of traffic is that the best place to put that room we've thought about that yeah and the the architects are going to add some sound it won't be soundproof but at least dampening okay pay attention to that you you you

  42. there the early childhood area over here will get a facelift as well and youth services has some plans for some interactive toys and panels to purchase there another major addition to the youth room is a sensory room this entrance the entrance to the sensory room will actually be in the corridor okay when you zoom in on this it's like really zoomed in um the entrance will be in the corridor um and i think that was just because of how because this wall is brick and they didn't want to make a door in that wall the sensory room will be for uh folks who maybe need to tone down their sensory stimulation or maybe need a little bit more active stimulation in that room so that will have a door on it and will be monitored by the youth services staff i have a quick question about that yeah so if the point is to tone down we have it right next to the vending machines and in a hall that might have a lot of traffic is that the best place to put that room we've thought about that yeah and the the architects are going to add some sound it won't be soundproof but at least dampening okay pay attention to that you you you And there's no way to get the door, I'm sorry, Keith. There's no way to get the door on right where your cursor is, right there on that. Yeah, it's a brick wall. Oh, okay. So it just seems cheaper, actually. Okay. Sorry, Keith. No, no, I interrupted you. I'm just still, I'm not quite getting what this room is. The sensory room? Yeah, it's just like a padded cell. You could think of it that way. Okay, well, I don't think, I don't know if I can be very articulate about this, but for, let's say, a child who has some, maybe gets overstimulated, and, you know, there's a lot going on, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of books, they could go into this room and the lighting can be adjusted that is soothing. There would be fewer people around. It would be quiet. It would be a place where somebody could just sort of calm down and re-enter themselves and then go on with their day. Is that a good explanation? It's pretty common addition to libraries these days. I'd say over the last, like, eight to five to eight years, it's been a pretty common addition. Libraries of all kinds, publics as well as I've seen in academic libraries.

  43. And there's no way to get the door, I'm sorry, Keith. There's no way to get the door on right where your cursor is, right there on that. Yeah, it's a brick wall. Oh, okay. So it just seems cheaper, actually. Okay. Sorry, Keith. No, no, I interrupted you. I'm just still, I'm not quite getting what this room is. The sensory room? Yeah, it's just like a padded cell. You could think of it that way. Okay, well, I don't think, I don't know if I can be very articulate about this, but for, let's say, a child who has some, maybe gets overstimulated, and, you know, there's a lot going on, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of books, they could go into this room and the lighting can be adjusted that is soothing. There would be fewer people around. It would be quiet. It would be a place where somebody could just sort of calm down and re-enter themselves and then go on with their day. Is that a good explanation? It's pretty common addition to libraries these days. I'd say over the last, like, eight to five to eight years, it's been a pretty common addition. Libraries of all kinds, publics as well as I've seen in academic libraries. So just a space to remove a child with a parent, with a caregiver, to kind of bring it down. Decompress. Decompress. Yeah. Okay. all right um let's see where should we move to next the commons area will not change very much we might move some furniture around so that it seems integrated and that it's not just a separate area we are adding a quiet room over here and this is sort of at the end of the circulation desk the thought with adding a quiet area here is because as you move further north in the library it becomes much more quiet but for those who want a quiet place to stop and review some books and they don't want to walk all the way to the end or they have mobility challenges that make it difficult to there's a little spot right there this is also right next to one of two wellness rooms that will have a multitude of purposes um one being for prayer quiet reflection maybe somebody just needs a place again to kind of get away from everybody else kind of calm down their own senses

  44. Libraries of all kinds, publics as well as I've seen in academic libraries. So just a space to remove a child with a parent, with a caregiver, to kind of bring it down. Decompress. Decompress. Yeah. Okay. all right um let's see where should we move to next the commons area will not change very much we might move some furniture around so that it seems integrated and that it's not just a separate area we are adding a quiet room over here and this is sort of at the end of the circulation desk the thought with adding a quiet area here is because as you move further north in the library it becomes much more quiet but for those who want a quiet place to stop and review some books and they don't want to walk all the way to the end or they have mobility challenges that make it difficult to there's a little spot right there this is also right next to one of two wellness rooms that will have a multitude of purposes um one being for prayer quiet reflection maybe somebody just needs a place again to kind of get away from everybody else kind of calm down their own senses that will be one of our two wellness rooms we've decided that the wellness terms will not have a door on them and they will not be mediated by staff at all they will just be a come and go kind of place but there won't there will be the way the room will be arranged it will encourage people to stay for long periods of time it's an in and out 15 minute kind of place um the adult teen services desk is moving here as we've already talked about and that you saw that in the rendering Over here is the Adult and Teen Services Program Room, which is new. Adult and Teen have wanted this for a while for their mid-size to small groups. There are book clubs, cookbook club, fiber arts club. They have to compete with the public and everyone else for the meeting use of the meeting rooms downstairs and the community rooms. And this place gives them a place where they can hold, you know, programs between 10 and, like, I can't remember the capacity, 40, 50. Oh, that big. And they'll have lots of storage here now, too, which they have needed. Will that be set up or will it have to be set up regarding whatever the meeting It'll have to be set up. Okay, so will there be storage in there for the chairs? Oh, there will be, okay.

  45. that will be one of our two wellness rooms we've decided that the wellness terms will not have a door on them and they will not be mediated by staff at all they will just be a come and go kind of place but there won't there will be the way the room will be arranged it will encourage people to stay for long periods of time it's an in and out 15 minute kind of place um the adult teen services desk is moving here as we've already talked about and that you saw that in the rendering Over here is the Adult and Teen Services Program Room, which is new. Adult and Teen have wanted this for a while for their mid-size to small groups. There are book clubs, cookbook club, fiber arts club. They have to compete with the public and everyone else for the meeting use of the meeting rooms downstairs and the community rooms. And this place gives them a place where they can hold, you know, programs between 10 and, like, I can't remember the capacity, 40, 50. Oh, that big. And they'll have lots of storage here now, too, which they have needed. Will that be set up or will it have to be set up regarding whatever the meeting It'll have to be set up. Okay, so will there be storage in there for the chairs? Oh, there will be, okay. And we've chosen furniture that, like, nests. You can stand or nest. Okay, gotcha. Yep. The teen collection is, teen collection and teen area is moving from this area to right here outside of this program room. So this is where, you know, the AV collection currently is housed and we have a lot of tables in this area. And also the local history area currently is here. Bless you. Bless you. So the teen area is moving here. And we, I think we reviewed some of the furniture that was going into that area and talked about the ways that that area will be made special for the teens. And it'll be right next to the teen collection. So, it is a good follow-up link. We'll show you guys. Thank you. You Public computers are moving from way down at the north end of the building to close to this Adult and Teen Services desk. We will also have IT staff at this area since we're moving the computers here. That's another direct response to complaints about the long walk to the north end of the building for a computer. And we're greatly reducing the number of public computers we have because we just don't have the use for them like we used to. Adult nonfiction isn't changing, adult fiction isn't changing.

  46. Oh, there will be, okay. And we've chosen furniture that, like, nests. You can stand or nest. Okay, gotcha. Yep. The teen collection is, teen collection and teen area is moving from this area to right here outside of this program room. So this is where, you know, the AV collection currently is housed and we have a lot of tables in this area. And also the local history area currently is here. Bless you. Bless you. So the teen area is moving here. And we, I think we reviewed some of the furniture that was going into that area and talked about the ways that that area will be made special for the teens. And it'll be right next to the teen collection. So, it is a good follow-up link. We'll show you guys. Thank you. You Public computers are moving from way down at the north end of the building to close to this Adult and Teen Services desk. We will also have IT staff at this area since we're moving the computers here. That's another direct response to complaints about the long walk to the north end of the building for a computer. And we're greatly reducing the number of public computers we have because we just don't have the use for them like we used to. Adult nonfiction isn't changing, adult fiction isn't changing. We are moving the AV collection to this central area where reference currently is and we are placing a lot more tables and chairs of varieties, different varieties through this area so it will be kind of like a wandering experience with lots of nooks and crannies for people to choose different postures and seats. And then the serpentine shelves that are currently there, will they be sold or will they be sold or will they be used elsewhere or given away? We could put them up for anybody to use them if they want. The local history room is moving here. It's basically the same footprint that it is currently. We're building a new archives room and then the circulating collection will live out here. And this is the second of the two wellness rooms. So we feel like we have good coverage, one at the north end, one in the middle. So we're adding these quiet reading nooks, which are in the corners of the screen. building where there's this really lovely window and nice connection to the outdoors and just adding some nice comfortable seating in those areas the study rooms won't change except they will get a facelift which they sorely need but they will remain in the same configuration

  47. Adult nonfiction isn't changing, adult fiction isn't changing. We are moving the AV collection to this central area where reference currently is and we are placing a lot more tables and chairs of varieties, different varieties through this area so it will be kind of like a wandering experience with lots of nooks and crannies for people to choose different postures and seats. And then the serpentine shelves that are currently there, will they be sold or will they be sold or will they be used elsewhere or given away? We could put them up for anybody to use them if they want. The local history room is moving here. It's basically the same footprint that it is currently. We're building a new archives room and then the circulating collection will live out here. And this is the second of the two wellness rooms. So we feel like we have good coverage, one at the north end, one in the middle. So we're adding these quiet reading nooks, which are in the corners of the screen. building where there's this really lovely window and nice connection to the outdoors and just adding some nice comfortable seating in those areas the study rooms won't change except they will get a facelift which they sorely need but they will remain in the same configuration this will continue to be a programming room that will have furniture that's a little bit more flexible so we can make changes in that room and we are adding a couple of new study rooms i think five total which we could not have enough study rooms we're moving the i.t desk or just kind of around the corner here to this side so that it can that staff can still monitor the study rooms but also put an adult and teen services staff there too so there's a connection to this local history and this end of the building that's been a problem staff are kind of isolated at that end of the building uh so let me look up at the list here and see i think that's everything uh that covers all the big ideas uh as we looked at finishes at our other meeting and had a good idea of how things will look does anybody have any more questions jared is there anything that you would like to add anything that you think i forgot i think you did a pretty great job of running through things uh we do have some specific items uh with the design that we're still wrapping up uh uh uh uh

  48. they will get a facelift which they sorely need but they will remain in the same configuration this will continue to be a programming room that will have furniture that's a little bit more flexible so we can make changes in that room and we are adding a couple of new study rooms i think five total which we could not have enough study rooms we're moving the i.t desk or just kind of around the corner here to this side so that it can that staff can still monitor the study rooms but also put an adult and teen services staff there too so there's a connection to this local history and this end of the building that's been a problem staff are kind of isolated at that end of the building uh so let me look up at the list here and see i think that's everything uh that covers all the big ideas uh as we looked at finishes at our other meeting and had a good idea of how things will look does anybody have any more questions jared is there anything that you would like to add anything that you think i forgot i think you did a pretty great job of running through things uh we do have some specific items uh with the design that we're still wrapping up uh uh uh uh uh that as far as the fireplace um getting the specific details with what we're doing there uh specialty wabic design and um and tear those comments that we had talked about uh for uh the microfilm storage um but but other than that uh you know a real minimal number of outstanding items and uh yeah i think that we've got a pretty solid design here and ready to move forward great any other thank you no good presentation okay great it's gonna be great i think so yeah we have thank you jared thanks page 30 yeah go ahead i moved to approve the library design projects design development phase as shown on the architectural floor plans second okay thank you so much all right jared well there we go thank you is that all you guys needed yeah yeah i think that's all we needed now we have to go out to boring bank signatories all right well always a pleasure thanks guys thank you jared i'll be in touch

  49. uh that as far as the fireplace um getting the specific details with what we're doing there uh specialty wabic design and um and tear those comments that we had talked about uh for uh the microfilm storage um but but other than that uh you know a real minimal number of outstanding items and uh yeah i think that we've got a pretty solid design here and ready to move forward great any other thank you no good presentation okay great it's gonna be great i think so yeah we have thank you jared thanks page 30 yeah go ahead i moved to approve the library design projects design development phase as shown on the architectural floor plans second okay thank you so much all right jared well there we go thank you is that all you guys needed yeah yeah i think that's all we needed now we have to go out to boring bank signatories all right well always a pleasure thanks guys thank you jared i'll be in touch all right all right all right i love it yeah i like that too translating ribbon yeah you you you All right, thank you so much for that review and for proving that part of the design and moving forward. I'm excited. All right, bank signatories. So we've changed officers. Let me define where I am here. 33, page 33. 32. 31. I mean, 30 here. Do I hear 32, 33? Because we changed officers, we have to update bank signatories yet again. So there is a memo in the packet on page 31 with all the officers listed and we need a motion to approve this. Can I ask a quick question first? Thank you. So I noticed that, just mentioning to myself, so I'm one of the people that can apparently sign off for withdrawal of money. Now, I recall that at a recent meeting I signed some document that allowed an electronic version of my signature to be created.

  50. boring bank signatories all right well always a pleasure thanks guys thank you jared i'll be in touch all right all right all right i love it yeah i like that too translating ribbon yeah you you you All right, thank you so much for that review and for proving that part of the design and moving forward. I'm excited. All right, bank signatories. So we've changed officers. Let me define where I am here. 33, page 33. 32. 31. I mean, 30 here. Do I hear 32, 33? Because we changed officers, we have to update bank signatories yet again. So there is a memo in the packet on page 31 with all the officers listed and we need a motion to approve this. Can I ask a quick question first? Thank you. So I noticed that, just mentioning to myself, so I'm one of the people that can apparently sign off for withdrawal of money. Now, I recall that at a recent meeting I signed some document that allowed an electronic version of my signature to be created. Mm-hmm. So does that mean that that electronic version could be used to withdraw money or will I always know when my electronic signature is being used? I just wanted to understand that process a little bit. Yeah, that's a fair question. We will never use your electronic signature to withdraw money. I could see it. without telling you okay usually we use it if we have to sign I wonder the minutes the minutes on the minutes or some document that you know we need a signature on okay secretary but no we're not set up yet to use electronic signatures for drawing money which is maybe a good thing yeah okay we have a ton of fraud you know not just my company but everyone but people are it's not just electronic signatures that's never the problem it's much more high-tech than that they will take somebody's voice so my voice is out on the Internet so it's me I will call someone and say send this money so we

  51. Now, I recall that at a recent meeting I signed some document that allowed an electronic version of my signature to be created. Mm-hmm. So does that mean that that electronic version could be used to withdraw money or will I always know when my electronic signature is being used? I just wanted to understand that process a little bit. Yeah, that's a fair question. We will never use your electronic signature to withdraw money. I could see it. without telling you okay usually we use it if we have to sign I wonder the minutes the minutes on the minutes or some document that you know we need a signature on okay secretary but no we're not set up yet to use electronic signatures for drawing money which is maybe a good thing yeah okay we have a ton of fraud you know not just my company but everyone but people are it's not just electronic signatures that's never the problem it's much more high-tech than that they will take somebody's voice so my voice is out on the Internet so it's me I will call someone and say send this money so we have to do this because of AI yeah deep fakes yeah that's a big thing for seniors too they had a big article about that that they need to have a safe word because they're often getting their grandchildren calling them right so my friends she changed hers because it was poodle and her other friend and poodle and another friend in poodle so she thought poodle so yeah so but yes that's a big problem that people are trying we currently just write old-fashioned checks which are also subject to fraud so we write checks and then the checks go up to the township and then the township folks they actually have to sign our payment vouchers is what the um the law says does someone actually physically bring those to the township offices okay tomorrow morning kathy will take them up to the township and drop them off and then two people have to sign them and there's usually a nice big stack so um i would like to see ach payments come we'll have to pass a policy as a board to do that and

  52. the Internet so it's me I will call someone and say send this money so we have to do this because of AI yeah deep fakes yeah that's a big thing for seniors too they had a big article about that that they need to have a safe word because they're often getting their grandchildren calling them right so my friends she changed hers because it was poodle and her other friend and poodle and another friend in poodle so she thought poodle so yeah so but yes that's a big problem that people are trying we currently just write old-fashioned checks which are also subject to fraud so we write checks and then the checks go up to the township and then the township folks they actually have to sign our payment vouchers is what the um the law says does someone actually physically bring those to the township offices okay tomorrow morning kathy will take them up to the township and drop them off and then two people have to sign them and there's usually a nice big stack so um i would like to see ach payments come we'll have to pass a policy as a board to do that and then i really don't know how that process works but for her then as checklist when you say drop them off she just doesn't leave them on desk someone has to say okay you brought these in and yes she gives them to the accounting uh person so she does have the procedure she has to follow yeah yeah yeah and then the accounting person has to connect with the um you know there's a handful of people that can sign okay and it takes a couple of days and then they actually mail them out too okay yeah we don't see paper check fraud because it's such small amount right and then when you can do your check just the person at the grocery store not that i do that just the person who's always in front of me like they that check you know anybody can take a picture of it yeah the banks can give you that up it's more of a wire but i didn't realize we don't we don't ever wire no i know i want to i don't know i don't need shots i know this is my shot please I can read it great since I'm no longer secretary I moved to approve the

  53. um i would like to see ach payments come we'll have to pass a policy as a board to do that and then i really don't know how that process works but for her then as checklist when you say drop them off she just doesn't leave them on desk someone has to say okay you brought these in and yes she gives them to the accounting uh person so she does have the procedure she has to follow yeah yeah yeah and then the accounting person has to connect with the um you know there's a handful of people that can sign okay and it takes a couple of days and then they actually mail them out too okay yeah we don't see paper check fraud because it's such small amount right and then when you can do your check just the person at the grocery store not that i do that just the person who's always in front of me like they that check you know anybody can take a picture of it yeah the banks can give you that up it's more of a wire but i didn't realize we don't we don't ever wire no i know i want to i don't know i don't need shots i know this is my shot please I can read it great since I'm no longer secretary I moved to approve the resolution authorizing signatures including facsimile signatures for banking services on behalf of the Bloomfield Township Public Library as presented effective January 20th 2026 okay without going into the substance of the review how are we doing on I'm going to talk with Joan afterwards we received all of your information which is great we don't have to bug or hound or any of those things and so then what typically I do is I extract the comments and then that is presented at our February meeting we'll go into closed meeting session and do that but Joan and I will meet ahead of time just to review everything so we have all our ducks in a row and Tara is great about supplying her answers to the questions that we we asked her to provide and also what she what are her views for this

  54. I can read it great since I'm no longer secretary I moved to approve the resolution authorizing signatures including facsimile signatures for banking services on behalf of the Bloomfield Township Public Library as presented effective January 20th 2026 okay without going into the substance of the review how are we doing on I'm going to talk with Joan afterwards we received all of your information which is great we don't have to bug or hound or any of those things and so then what typically I do is I extract the comments and then that is presented at our February meeting we'll go into closed meeting session and do that but Joan and I will meet ahead of time just to review everything so we have all our ducks in a row and Tara is great about supplying her answers to the questions that we we asked her to provide and also what she what are her views for this upcoming hope that I haven't read it yet but I hope that perhaps the count accounting or the way that we pay things and then we are meeting on February 3rd to talk about have a personnel meeting to talk about the percentage gain or suggested for salary gains and I'll share my I haven't forgot about sharing those like comparable salaries right so you'll get that yeah we'll get you that packet so then you will get the prior to our meeting in February you will get probably the week before all of the comments that were made and then we don't make a suggestion we just provide that for you then we go into close meeting and then go from there but you'll get the comparables from well you'll get the whole packet you'll send it to us and listen to that so the comparables are a different line we're not earlier that night are we no same time 6 30 and then we have a yeah after then we have closed and then we call everyone back and then we close the meeting so yeah that's it thank you okay there's some comments about our vending my questions were what do we charge for coffee because they one of the complaints is we charge too much and then one is that like I once got this

  55. upcoming hope that I haven't read it yet but I hope that perhaps the count accounting or the way that we pay things and then we are meeting on February 3rd to talk about have a personnel meeting to talk about the percentage gain or suggested for salary gains and I'll share my I haven't forgot about sharing those like comparable salaries right so you'll get that yeah we'll get you that packet so then you will get the prior to our meeting in February you will get probably the week before all of the comments that were made and then we don't make a suggestion we just provide that for you then we go into close meeting and then go from there but you'll get the comparables from well you'll get the whole packet you'll send it to us and listen to that so the comparables are a different line we're not earlier that night are we no same time 6 30 and then we have a yeah after then we have closed and then we call everyone back and then we close the meeting so yeah that's it thank you okay there's some comments about our vending my questions were what do we charge for coffee because they one of the complaints is we charge too much and then one is that like I once got this this on my reel that said come taste what someone on the internet called the worst coffee in the world was it Bloomfield Township Public Library no just it was it's just people react crazy to coffee obviously with my point but is there and then there's other complaints about the vending i noticed that when i walked in some of the machines are empty-ish and then there was another comment that we need a coffee machine like baldwin which i don't know what they have they have a picture of it some places yeah it's automated well not not what you think of vending would be as much as it seems a little more automated it makes espressos and london yes like at the delta lounge exactly yeah not quite but not quite in the same thing yeah exactly headed in the right direction yes yes okay well we're waiting for our new remodeling in order to get new vending right so remember at the last meeting we decided to extend the our current contract so we can when we put when we know what we're going to get then we can put out another rfp our coffee coffee's cost between three and four dollars so you're paying for a

  56. of the complaints is we charge too much and then one is that like I once got this this on my reel that said come taste what someone on the internet called the worst coffee in the world was it Bloomfield Township Public Library no just it was it's just people react crazy to coffee obviously with my point but is there and then there's other complaints about the vending i noticed that when i walked in some of the machines are empty-ish and then there was another comment that we need a coffee machine like baldwin which i don't know what they have they have a picture of it some places yeah it's automated well not not what you think of vending would be as much as it seems a little more automated it makes espressos and london yes like at the delta lounge exactly yeah not quite but not quite in the same thing yeah exactly headed in the right direction yes yes okay well we're waiting for our new remodeling in order to get new vending right so remember at the last meeting we decided to extend the our current contract so we can when we put when we know what we're going to get then we can put out another rfp our coffee coffee's cost between three and four dollars so you're paying for a convenience of getting it when you're here in the library um vending has been uh it's a challenge to keep the machines running right now because it's final exam time it's really um picked over uh our current vendor is trying really hard to give us a service they can give but it's a challenge is that kind of a dying business though because there's fewer obviously fewer people we can pick you you you you from. It has undergone some changes in the last few years. Yeah. My cousin owns a vending business in Little Blue. Where does he live? Literally in West Blueville. Oh. And they're crushing it. Because people now are not just buying the candy bars, the sandwiches. Right. Right. Right. That's just we get prepared food for here. Yeah. But they're still making a lot of money. Yeah. Energy buying. Cashless. Yeah. They don't take money anymore. It's just a credit card that eliminates so much of their problem. Yeah. That's something that our current vendor wants to explore when we do go out for bid again is. Cashless. Yeah. A cashless like a fridge RFID type thing. You take out food. It charges you for what you took out. More fresh options. Yeah. Our older patrons will hate it because the younger ones will be like they don't have cash anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well we stopped taking cash in these machines a couple months ago because they

  57. put out another rfp our coffee coffee's cost between three and four dollars so you're paying for a convenience of getting it when you're here in the library um vending has been uh it's a challenge to keep the machines running right now because it's final exam time it's really um picked over uh our current vendor is trying really hard to give us a service they can give but it's a challenge is that kind of a dying business though because there's fewer obviously fewer people we can pick you you you you from. It has undergone some changes in the last few years. Yeah. My cousin owns a vending business in Little Blue. Where does he live? Literally in West Blueville. Oh. And they're crushing it. Because people now are not just buying the candy bars, the sandwiches. Right. Right. Right. That's just we get prepared food for here. Yeah. But they're still making a lot of money. Yeah. Energy buying. Cashless. Yeah. They don't take money anymore. It's just a credit card that eliminates so much of their problem. Yeah. That's something that our current vendor wants to explore when we do go out for bid again is. Cashless. Yeah. A cashless like a fridge RFID type thing. You take out food. It charges you for what you took out. More fresh options. Yeah. Our older patrons will hate it because the younger ones will be like they don't have cash anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well we stopped taking cash in these machines a couple months ago because they the cash and the cash and coin receptors kept getting jammed up sometimes with cash and coins sometimes with other things and then it would put the whole machine out of permission. That's for other other. We don't even want to know. We've not really heard any big complaints about. Yeah. Not taking cash. Okay. Um. Well I have an other. Two others. Um. I did attend the dinner. The staff dinner which was fun. It was well it's nice to see. London. and her husband, and Tara, and Joe. I've represented the Board of Trustees. Thank you. It was nice. Yeah, the weather was a little dicey, but it was nice. Also, I wanted kudos to anyone working in, do we call it technical services? Material services. The book processing that you detailed, Tara, everything that had to be redone, I mean, really,

  58. They don't take money anymore. It's just a credit card that eliminates so much of their problem. Yeah. That's something that our current vendor wants to explore when we do go out for bid again is. Cashless. Yeah. A cashless like a fridge RFID type thing. You take out food. It charges you for what you took out. More fresh options. Yeah. Our older patrons will hate it because the younger ones will be like they don't have cash anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well we stopped taking cash in these machines a couple months ago because they the cash and the cash and coin receptors kept getting jammed up sometimes with cash and coins sometimes with other things and then it would put the whole machine out of permission. That's for other other. We don't even want to know. We've not really heard any big complaints about. Yeah. Not taking cash. Okay. Um. Well I have an other. Two others. Um. I did attend the dinner. The staff dinner which was fun. It was well it's nice to see. London. and her husband, and Tara, and Joe. I've represented the Board of Trustees. Thank you. It was nice. Yeah, the weather was a little dicey, but it was nice. Also, I wanted kudos to anyone working in, do we call it technical services? Material services. The book processing that you detailed, Tara, everything that had to be redone, I mean, really, they get a gold star for that. Thank you. I'll pass it on. That was impressive, what you detailed. It really has been a big undertaking. It's so imaginative, literally, worldwide. Yeah, every library. Even if you just think about it in the United States, every public, academic, special library has 95% used that vendor. It's crazy to think that they went under. And Ingram has been very cheerful about it. They're like, yeah, we're working on it. I'm sure they've had a lot of work to do, too. A lot of therapy. Anybody else? I noticed in the, you know, we talked about moving. Think about moving. Um... about reinforcing a desk for security purposes? Well, we're not reinforcing it, but changing it so that the welcome desk staff can go like into the, into the CERC area if they needed to exit out.

  59. everything that had to be redone, I mean, really, they get a gold star for that. Thank you. I'll pass it on. That was impressive, what you detailed. It really has been a big undertaking. It's so imaginative, literally, worldwide. Yeah, every library. Even if you just think about it in the United States, every public, academic, special library has 95% used that vendor. It's crazy to think that they went under. And Ingram has been very cheerful about it. They're like, yeah, we're working on it. I'm sure they've had a lot of work to do, too. A lot of therapy. Anybody else? I noticed in the, you know, we talked about moving. Think about moving. Um... about reinforcing a desk for security purposes? Well, we're not reinforcing it, but changing it so that the welcome desk staff can go like into the, into the CERC area if they needed to exit out. Is, are there, would you refer to any of these changes as upgrades to security? Any of the other changes? And if so, I wonder if we might be eligible for any kind of grant to cover some of those related costs. I need to think about that. That wasn't the intent really for any of the... Yeah. I think the intent too was more because the welcome desk was sort of isolated and there was just a one way in, one way... And they're telling them to go over a circle all the time anyway. Right. That they felt like combining and giving them an egress without being open to the public as the only egress. It was more in that regard. And then the height of it was changed too. But I didn't think about it.

  60. into the, into the CERC area if they needed to exit out. Is, are there, would you refer to any of these changes as upgrades to security? Any of the other changes? And if so, I wonder if we might be eligible for any kind of grant to cover some of those related costs. I need to think about that. That wasn't the intent really for any of the... Yeah. I think the intent too was more because the welcome desk was sort of isolated and there was just a one way in, one way... And they're telling them to go over a circle all the time anyway. Right. That they felt like combining and giving them an egress without being open to the public as the only egress. It was more in that regard. And then the height of it was changed too. But I didn't think about it. was solely for security purposes but it was with that in mind if that makes sense the only other security or safety feature is adding an emergency exit at the north end of the building yeah where there surprisingly isn't one right yeah right yeah okay into that what's currently the computer lab to some degree of putting the adult and teen service librarians having a station next to the i.t areas and then somewhat security yeah to prevent theft and well that desk is very isolated yeah there's usually one person there by themselves they're kind of like way out at the north end of the building and so that kind of brings them back into the yeah so i guess there are a number of things that will improve safety and security for staff even if they wouldn't be like traditional security measures better sight lines yeah that was more public place for the public computers which i think is what you were getting at yeah so people don't feel so isolated and they can be whatever they'd like do you have any idea what grants i know there's like mmr and a mmrma but

  61. was solely for security purposes but it was with that in mind if that makes sense the only other security or safety feature is adding an emergency exit at the north end of the building yeah where there surprisingly isn't one right yeah right yeah okay into that what's currently the computer lab to some degree of putting the adult and teen service librarians having a station next to the i.t areas and then somewhat security yeah to prevent theft and well that desk is very isolated yeah there's usually one person there by themselves they're kind of like way out at the north end of the building and so that kind of brings them back into the yeah so i guess there are a number of things that will improve safety and security for staff even if they wouldn't be like traditional security measures better sight lines yeah that was more public place for the public computers which i think is what you were getting at yeah so people don't feel so isolated and they can be whatever they'd like do you have any idea what grants i know there's like mmr and a mmrma but do you remember a couple years ago i was going to introduce you to a good friend of mine um he has a company and he has a couple of navy seals that are on his company that's what he does and he'll go around and assess he won't look at first He won't look at egress and ingress and all of these things, and he has a whole list of grants that you could apply for, so whenever you want to, if you want to talk with him. But he would be talking about doors and switches that could do certain things. He works with a lot of churches now, so, but it is sad, right? Yeah, 100%. That's one of his big clients. Okay, that's all my other. Okay. Just be safe in this cold weather. I like it. Yeah. Bundle up. My move will adjourn? I second that. Okay. Bye. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.